[THEME] (07Feb) Max Manila 2.5 - Ultimate v3.0 for 2.5.2011 (LScape + Album Rotation)

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maxycy

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Max Manila 2.5 Ultimate is an all in one layout for TF3D. What you get from this is a fully customizable layout that suits your taste for the home screen and more. All settings can be made on the manila itself.
thanksmax.jpg



FEATURES
  • 8 clock arrays + 1 large analog
  • Call History and Calendar wt possible up to 3 appointments
  • Weather on demand
  • 4 notification icons (Call History, Calendar, SMS, Email)
  • 12 / 16 / 20 shortcuts
  • Panoramic / BG4all / Default wallpapers
  • Retractable tab icons
  • Full screen mode
  • AutoLock and AutoMute function (orientation activated)
  • Transparent slider effect (front tab icon removed)
  • Support landscape mode for 19222xxx
  • Rotation animation
  • And many more....... ;)
REQUIREMENT :
  • v3.0 for Manila 2.5.2011xxx
  • v2.7 Special Edition for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx and v2.5.19223xx). Supports VGA for 1921 as well
  • v2.9 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Lanscape version. More information HERE and HERE
  • v2.82 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version. More information HERE
  • v2.8 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version. More information HERE and HERE
  • v2.7 and below for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx)
RESOLUTION :
  • VGA and WVGA phones
OPTIONAL :
  • For those having a slow phone, you can try Neos Driver pack ( do a search in the forum ). It can improve the graphic performance ( reported does not work on all phones ). To install, remember to first turn OFF HTC Sense and Soft Reset afterwards and switch HTC Sense back on.
SCREENSHOTS :

ultimate1.jpg
ultimate2.jpg
ultimate3c.jpg
ultimate4.jpg


ultimate5.jpg
ultimate6.jpg
ultimate7.jpg
ultimate8.jpg


If you are using v2.9, pls also download the patch and overwrite in \windows of your phone after you had installed v2.9 cab.

v3.0 cab for Manila2.5 (v2.5.2011xxx) + added album rotation support
v2.7 SE cab for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx and v2.5.19223xx)
v2.9 and above cabs for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version
v2.7 cabs and below for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx)

PLS ENSURE THAT YOU ONLY INSTALL THE CORRECT VERSION FOR THE CORRECT MANILA VERSION

PLS NOTE THAT THE WVGA FULLSCREEN PATCH CAB IS ONLY FOR WVGA USERS. VGA USERS DO NOT INSTALL!!



Please continue to motivate me......:(
 
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maxycy

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v2.7 and 2.9 Functions

BEFORE USING v2.8, PLS SET ENSURE THE REGISTRY HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\EnableLandscape = true

v2.7 - only for manila 1921xxx
v2.9 - only for manila 19222xxx (Landscape version)

There is a minor change to the previous versions (v2.6 and below). You can now access the Setting screen by swiping top to bottom. Horizontal swiping is removed and goes back to default where you can access other tabs with the exception when you select Panoramic wallpaper which will pan the wallpaper left/right instead.

Firstly, let me point out the functions of the corners of the screen for different modes.

Max Manila Setting Screen can be accessed by swiping from top to bottom

Menu/Skin Customization (v2.9) - this is the additional selection option appearing on the MENU (accessed from homepage right softkey). What it does is to allow you to skin your notification icons by selecting jpg/png files from your album. Here's how it works.
  • v2.9 cab will come wt a folder called "MyFolder" in \windows. There are 8 icons 64x64 png files in there which basically is the previous and current version icons.
  • You can move this folder later to storage card and rename the registry path \HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_Folder. You can leave this blank and the album will open to the default path. I find this much more user friendly especially when you have tons of folders to search.
  • You can create your own icon in any square size; for eg, 128x128; 100x100 whatever. It should re-size back to 64x64. File can be jpg or png if you want to have transparency. Later, just dump it into the folder on #2.
Normal (Full) mode - this is your default screen with taskbar at the top and softkeys at the bottom.
  • Top Left - Navigates to People screen
  • Top Center - **REMOVED on v2.82** (previous version Cycles Clock Array)
  • Top Right - Show Battery Info (v2.82 - you can now edit the registry to link to your app.
    \HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_SKTPath = your app path
    \HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_SKTArg = your app argument
  • Bottom Left - Navigates to Home screen
  • Bottom Right - Navigates to manila Settings tab ( not Max Manila settings )
FullScreen mode - this can be enabled through your Settings screen. Your taskbar and softkeys will disappear and a fullscreen is displayed. The first time after you activated the screen. Press the HOME button to ensure that the screen fully covers up the task and softkey bars.
  • Top Left - activates StartMenu
  • Top Center - **REMOVED on v2.82** (previous version Cycles Clock Array)
  • Top Right - on v2.82 display taskbar information ( previously display battery info )
    : Battery - Press to open up battery info
    : Sound Profile - Press to navigate to sound profile setting
    : Data connection/signal - Press to go to communication manager
  • Bottom Right - Lock screen (v2.8 onwards). This can now be changed to link to your app. Tweak the registry below.
    \HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_SKPath = your app path
    \HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_SKArg = your app argument
  • Bottom Left - Activates the softkeys panel ( when activated, your softkeys will appear for 2secs before it closes itself ) (v2.8 onwards)
Lite mode - removed on v2.81. You can anyway set your manila back to default by using the settings from the setting page below.

Here are the new screen for the Settings page. Most functions retain for now (I'll add more to it later) but I have shifted it around a bit. Arrows basically scroll more settings.

ultimate28.jpg
ultimate22.jpg


SETTINGS

Wallpaper - there are 3 types of wallpaper here.
a. BG4all - this is the wallpaper which will automatically load up when you select through MENU/Home Wallpaper/Weather Wallpaper. Wallpaper will show on all tabs and is fullscreen on v2.8 onwards. If you leave it, it will not display anything. Setting is "B".

On v2.9, there will be 2 seperate wallpapers. Portrait wallpaper and Landscape Wallpaper which you can select from MENU/Home Wallpaper. This will be HQ wallpaper. So, make sure you pre-format your wallpaper to 480x800 or it will not come out correct.
  • Portrait Wallpaper - selects your portrait wallpaper.
  • Landscape Wallpaper - selects your landscape wallpaper. The wallpaper will be rotated 90deg. So, make sure that you rotate your landscape wallpaper -90deg before loading.
  • Animated Wallpaper - this has now been tweaked to activate the animated components on your Portrait wallpaper. It has been disabled for landscape.
  • Remove Wallpaper - removes both portrait and landscape wallpapers.
b. Full - the file is a 1024x768 size jpg called "MaxBackground.jpg". This wallpaper will fill up fullscreen and all tabs. It is used in 3 different functions.
  • "P" - stands for panoramic. When this is activated, you can swipe left/right to pan the wallpaper.
  • "F" - stands for full. It will remain still at where you have previously panned.
  • "H" - stands for home only. This wallpaper will only show in home and the other tabs will have the default wallpaper (read below)
c. Default - this is the manila wallpaper that requires app like HDWall to create. Rather than using the latest file of 512x1024, I have reworked a fullscreen default wallpaper using the old filenames. If you are using HDWall, go to config and select profile "TouchFLO v2.5 BETA - No Compression - All Tabs".
  • 4bfcbbee_manila
  • 54612042_manila
In landscape mode, this will be replaced wt another wallpaper. The construct of these files are as such
0509ab83_manila : Left
- 512x512 manila qtc
- actual wallpaper dimension 480x480 (from top left)
47fb5656_manila : Right
- 512x512 manila qtc
- actual wallpaper dimension 320x480 (from top left)

Assuming you have a landscape wallpaper of 800x480. Below are some instructions how you can make your own.
- for the RIGHT wallpaper, crop from the right to 512 and expand your bottom to 512
- for the LEFT wallpaper, crop from the left to 480 and expand right to 32 ( your total width should be 512 ). Do the same for the bottom.
*******on v2.9, this has been removed due to it's redundancy*******

Call History (Call H) - toggle the call history on/off. This will now reside on top of the calendar. Voicemail alert has been added for v2.8 onwards.

Calendar - you can now select option 0, 1, 2 or 3. 0 will not show the calendar bar on the screen. Pls make your own adjustment to avoid any overlaps as I have removed this feature due to the inclusion of VGA which complicates the matter.

Slider - for those who does not have this feature build into the ROM, you can toggle the icon off. What this does is that it removes the first layer of the tab icon which makes your transparent slider looks much nicer when sliding through all the tabs. "ON" means slider effect is switched on.

Mute - you can now activate a silent "S" or vibrate "V" mode when you put your phone face down ( that means front screen facing the floor )

AutoLock - when turn on, your phone will goes into LOCK mode when you turn your phone upside down ( that means rotating your front screen 180deg )

Alert - here you can select whether to display the shortcuts or notification icons on screen. Also note that on v2.8, the notification icons will only display in fullscreen landscape mode only with the exception in normal mode, when your tab icon is retracted.
  • NS - both shortcuts and notification icons will display
  • S - only shortcuts will display
  • N - only notification icons will display
  • OFF - both will not display
Hide Tab (previously called Tab Icons) - in v2.8, this has been renamed to Hide Tab to avoid confusion. This only works in normal screen mode. When "ON", it will activate the retractable tab icons. In fullscreen mode, this will disabled for the sake of accessing softkeys.

Weather - this is where you toggle your weather animation. It is best to toggle it off to gain speed especially when you are loading wallpaper for BG4all.

Shortcuts - you can select 12/16/20 shortcuts for WVGA and 9/12/15 for VGA.
If you have problem accessing your shortcuts, go to the registry HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/Home and look at the numbered folders. Chk out the "IsSet" and set it back to 0. Remember to do a SOFTRESET afterwards.

In lanscape mode, shortcuts will change to 3 columns for WVGA and 2 columns for VGA. (not tested on VGA device yet bcos 1922xx not ready)

Fullscreen - this will activate the fullscreen mode. Fm v2.8 onwards, the fullscreen softkeys can be accessed by pressing the bottom left while in fullscreen mode. The softkey panel will appear for 2secs.

Titanium - this will deactivate TF3D and goes to WM6.5 Window Default UI. To get back to TF3D, just go to StartMenu/Settings/Home/Items and select HTC Sense.

Goldfish - my own hobby app which will create an animated fish swimming around your screen. To close the app, just double tap the goldfish.

LTab - when "OFF", this will retain the original tab during landscape. Your other settings must be Hide Tab = OFF and Fullscreen = OFF. This is normally to be used when you want to set back to default settings.

Resolution - select "W" for WVGA and "V" for VGA phones.

Clock - this now replace the big analog clock button and incorporate all clocks into one including a full blank screen. As for the big analog clock, you can move the clock around by press+hold and move. This clock also has 3 functions to it.
  • Left - will toggle the inner face of the clock
  • Top Right - goes to world clock page
  • Top Left - cycles the size of the clock
The text on the setting button is labelled as below :
FA - Flip and Analog Clock
SA - Spring and Analog Clock
D - Digital Clock
AA - Dual Analog Clock
MF - Medium size Flip Clock
LF - Large size Flip Clock
S - Large size Sprint Clock
LA - Large size Analog Clock
AC - Huge size Analog Clock
OFF - Blank Screen ( removed Notification and Shortcuts )
********The text "My HTC" on sprint clock can now be edited from the registry************
\HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_TextName = text displayed on the sprint clock
\HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\Max_TextSize = font size


Rotation - to use this, pls ensure that you do not have any external program activating the rotation of the manila or you may encounter conflicts. Below are the 3 functions :
  • OFF - deactivate all rotation but maintain the album/music rotation
  • R - rotates your screen clockwise when your turn your phone right. In this mode, your album/music turn landscape in the normal direction but can also be rotated when turn the other direction.
  • L - rotates your screen anti-clockwise when you turn your phone left. In this mode, album/music rotation will be disabled and replaced wt the landscape mode.
  • B (only on v2.9) - rotates both ways. Album/music rotation will be disabled and replaced wt the landscape mode.
When phone is facing up ( screen on top and flag ), it will not activate any rotation event.

3D - this basically toggles the look of your shortcuts between normal and 3D like when you scroll it up.

TBar - this basically toggles the display of fullscreen taskbar indicators. Can only be activated when not in fullscreen mode.


PAnim - cycles through the type of rotation animation for portrait wallpaper. Here's the description of the text.
  • OFF - no animation
  • SD - slide down
  • SU - slide up
  • SL - slide left
  • SR - slide right
  • RA - rotate anticlockwise
  • RC - rotate clockwise
  • O - increasing opacity
  • FU - flip up
  • FD - flip down
  • ? - random
LAnim - cycles through the type of rotation animation for landscape wallpaper. Here's the description of the text.
  • OFF - no animation
  • SD - slide down
  • SU - slide up
  • SL - slide left
  • SR - slide right
  • RA - rotate anticlockwise
  • RC - rotate clockwise
  • O - increasing opacity
  • FL - flip left
  • FR - flip right
  • ? - random
Notif - adjust the notification size, position and effects.
  • N - normal size (standard position)
  • NT - normal size; hidden when no alerts (standard position)
  • S - scaled down (lower position)
  • ST - scaled down; hidden when no alerts (lower position)
 
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maxycy

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v2.7 WVGA Fullscreen Softkeys

Here's the status of the WVGA Fullscreen Softkeys. It is not finished yet but I thought it will be good that you all can help to beta test it. You practically have now a pretty smooth operation in fullscreen mode as I have tweaked the script to remain in fullscreen mode especially after exiting from album and music.

Home - ok
People - ok
Messages - ok
Mail - ok
Internet - softkeys showing but disabled due to some issues for now
Calendar - intermittent hang problem when switching calendar. To release, press HOME and you can get back to calendar again
Stocks - ok
Album - ok ( when changing to landscape, the screen just momentary disable fullscreen in order to trigger certain events )
Music - ok ( Left bottom button in landscape fixed )
Weather - ok
Twitter - ok
Footprints - ok
Settings - slight modifications. Pressing settings will go straight to the settings page instead of opening up another menu for All Settings and I've added a left softkey to go back to HOME screen

There's a new tab, not sure what it's called "Documents"?? which I will work on when I get a chance to flash the new ROM.

As for the VGA version, this will come shortly as I have to work on the original VGA files instead bcos the WVGA version will mis-align some stuff for VGA.

BTW, it is ok to install/uninstall on top of the the main cab as both of them do not share any files in common.
 
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maxycy

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Components / Skins / Misc

29Aug - All components are updated with manila files. Download again if you are not having the correct files.

Analog Clock Components ( for MaxTTM )



Sprint Clock Components ( for MaxTTM )



There is a HUGE list of components under my signature Milski 2.5 Components. Pls go there to find whatever that suits you.

My Goldfish app.....finally found a place
(Cab download below. If you are using MaxTTM to deploy the layouts and components, install this cab)
Goldfish.jpg

How does it work???
- Single tap and fish will swim faster ( works better in screens with less resources like calculator )
- Press + Hold to move fish
- Double tap to exit

Panoramic Wallpaper ( Click and save full image fm imageshack. Copy file to \Windows )



-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Pls read HERE for details on Max Manila 2.5 - v2.6 beta before you download.
 
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maxycy

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Max Manila 2.5 Ultimate Layout

Max Manila 2.519202525 Ultimate - v2.5 ( for latest manila 2.5) - 16/20 shortcuts (Read Here)


Moving pictures paints a thousand words...... HERE
Thks to Millski for capturing this. :D

1. Controls
picture1xt.jpg


2. CLOCKS
ultimate1.jpg
ultimate2d.jpg
ultimate3.jpg
ultimate4.jpg

ultimate5.jpg
ultimate6.jpg
ultimate7.jpg
ultimate8.jpg



3. SETTINGS
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4. NOTIFICATION ICONS

  • Call History - press to go to call history page
  • Calendar - shows number of appointments available within 48hrs. Pressing the button will go straight to calendar page
  • SMS/MMS - press to go to SMS page
  • Mail - press to go to mail page
Thks to Grzegorz for the icons and transparent sliders..... :D

For Manila 2.1919xxx Users

It is very similar to the original 2.5 theme except that the fullscreen and rotation do not work. In place of the rotation button, you can now toggle your retractable tab icons to stay permanently. Pls also note that the manila components for manila 2.1 is different. The only components which you can download and replace is the panoramic background on post#4.
 
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ClydeB1

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Looks simply amazing. Waiting anxiously to see this one.
 
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Buembel

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wow... pretty cool :)
great work u did here m8!!!
Could you maybe pls share manila name of new "clock-wheater-area"?

/e: or how did you do all that at all? :p
 
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oh my dear god!this is amazing!!

Thanks a lot man for your great job!!I love this very much!!plase release the .cab as soon as possible!Thanks again!!
 

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Bugs, Problems and Fixes:

Problems with fullscreen mode using MaxManila 2.7SE:

Download and install the fix files from this post. Thanks to ceesheim.


Problems with 'Portrait Wallpaper', 'Landscape Wallpaper' and 'Remove Wallpaper' options not showing under Home tab menu (instead getting standard 'Weather Wallpaper' option):

::Update:: I haven't been able to gather enough information from people with this bug. Please take a look at my post here and download the Home_Pages.xml file. Copy it to your Windows dir using Total Commander and soft reset. If this works please report it in the thread or pm me. The ManilaFull.xml attached to the post may or may not be compatible with your Sense 2.5 build; try it at your own risk!

MaxManila installs an edited 'Home_Pages.xml' file to enable these options. If your rom is not WWE it will use a different file called 'ManilaFull.xml'. A fix is described here. Thanks to Intruder73. I hope to get a ready made 'ManilaFull.xml' file posted here as a patch some time in the future. In the meantime yome has detailed the edit here.


Rotation/landscape problems:

Different manila builds have different levels of support for landscape. Individual rom cooks also enable or disable registry values and the GSensor as well as installing third party rotation apps. This will all affect the way landscape is supposed to work in MaxManila. Check the following (these are all suggestions that may help; I have found no definitive solutions):

Registry: HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\EnableLandscape = false (This is the correct setting)
Apps: GSensor '(Diamond 2 GSensor.cab') is installed, no third party apps installed (i.e. ChangeScreen etc.)
GSensor whitelist: Download and install BsB GConfig and make sure 'Manila.exe' is removed from the whitelist


"It won't work on rom xxxx" problems:

Simple answer: Try another rom then. Complicated answer: Does the rom use CFC compression? twopumpchump has made a patched mode9.dll file to get it working :) Download and instructions here.


Some Quicklinks not working:

Neither Max nor I have been able to replicate this problem so Max can't fix it. A workaround is to go to the MaxManila settings page and cycle the number of shortcuts. When you return to the Home tab the Quicklinks will all work again.
 
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The Boss

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Great Max.

Think it is good with a new tread. The first tread is very big and a little impossible to find the answer becaurse of the constantly new manilla files.

Looking forward to see the new program from you and the components.
 

maxycy

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Looks very interesting. Waiting anxiously to see this one.
Let me know if there's any bug.... ;)

wow... pretty cool :)
great work u did here m8!!!
Could you maybe pls share manila name of new "clock-wheater-area"?
/e: or how did you do all that at all? :p
It's complicated. Involves a lot of Lua scripting. :eek:

Thanks a lot man for your great job!!I love this very much!!plase release the .cab as soon as possible!Thanks again!!
It's available for download now. :D

Superb work Max. Been fiddling with the prerelease I used for the video and I should have a few components up in the next couple of days. This layout is ace ;)
Thks buddy.... can't get this up without your help. :D

Great Max.
Think it is good with a new tread. The first tread is very big and a little impossible to find the answer becaurse of the constantly new manilla files.

Looking forward to see the new program from you and the components.
I agree. Enjoy. ;)
 

Buembel

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Hmm.. I'm not into lua scripting.. - but could you maybe tell me the manila file name of the black background layer behind the clock?
At the moment I'm trying to get these things more transparent..
 

ClydeB1

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Maxycy, this is phenomenal. Thank you so much, at last I've gotten rid of that bug/feature of the clock scrolling 1 hour and 2 minutes every time I change to the Home tab.
 

millski

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Hmm.. I'm not into lua scripting.. - but could you maybe tell me the manila file name of the black background layer behind the clock?
At the moment I'm trying to get these things more transparent..

0b6f5c5e_manila is the white highlight when you touch the black background, the background itself is 31794a12_manila.
 

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    Max Manila 2.5 Ultimate is an all in one layout for TF3D. What you get from this is a fully customizable layout that suits your taste for the home screen and more. All settings can be made on the manila itself.
    thanksmax.jpg



    FEATURES
    • 8 clock arrays + 1 large analog
    • Call History and Calendar wt possible up to 3 appointments
    • Weather on demand
    • 4 notification icons (Call History, Calendar, SMS, Email)
    • 12 / 16 / 20 shortcuts
    • Panoramic / BG4all / Default wallpapers
    • Retractable tab icons
    • Full screen mode
    • AutoLock and AutoMute function (orientation activated)
    • Transparent slider effect (front tab icon removed)
    • Support landscape mode for 19222xxx
    • Rotation animation
    • And many more....... ;)
    REQUIREMENT :
    • v3.0 for Manila 2.5.2011xxx
    • v2.7 Special Edition for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx and v2.5.19223xx). Supports VGA for 1921 as well
    • v2.9 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Lanscape version. More information HERE and HERE
    • v2.82 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version. More information HERE
    • v2.8 for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version. More information HERE and HERE
    • v2.7 and below for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx)
    RESOLUTION :
    • VGA and WVGA phones
    OPTIONAL :
    • For those having a slow phone, you can try Neos Driver pack ( do a search in the forum ). It can improve the graphic performance ( reported does not work on all phones ). To install, remember to first turn OFF HTC Sense and Soft Reset afterwards and switch HTC Sense back on.
    SCREENSHOTS :

    ultimate1.jpg
    ultimate2.jpg
    ultimate3c.jpg
    ultimate4.jpg


    ultimate5.jpg
    ultimate6.jpg
    ultimate7.jpg
    ultimate8.jpg


    If you are using v2.9, pls also download the patch and overwrite in \windows of your phone after you had installed v2.9 cab.

    v3.0 cab for Manila2.5 (v2.5.2011xxx) + added album rotation support
    v2.7 SE cab for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx and v2.5.19223xx)
    v2.9 and above cabs for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.19222xx) Landscape version
    v2.7 cabs and below for Manila 2.5 (v2.5.1921xxx)

    PLS ENSURE THAT YOU ONLY INSTALL THE CORRECT VERSION FOR THE CORRECT MANILA VERSION

    PLS NOTE THAT THE WVGA FULLSCREEN PATCH CAB IS ONLY FOR WVGA USERS. VGA USERS DO NOT INSTALL!!



    Please continue to motivate me......:(
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    hmmm -- bummer. well, it was worth a try...
    maybe max or g10 will have some insight on what's different now, because I recall a while ago (earlier rom with earlier manila 2.5) I was successful with just what you're wanting. I installed the full Dusk_Manila_v2.0 first, then Ultimate on top (I believe it was v1.5c or 2.11 at the time) -- and everything worked perfectly -- I did have to "clear" the slider (either ON or OFF, don't remember) but all controls worked just fine, and it looked beautiful. perhaps max's lua scripts are digging a bit deeper than they used to, but still I don't see why Ultimate wouldn't play nice with Dusk. :confused: