Ok after a few tense moments I got s-off! After trying and getting the backup failed msg every time i tried I found a solution....
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=25186986
It has files for a different phone but the executable its self is universal so put .1 in the adb folder instead of .2 and voila it worked....
THe wire trick was not as hard as i thought...the timing did not to seem to be a biggie....the hole was deeper than i thought and I used a paperclip wrapped in electric tape....
Once I got s-off I was stuck...I don't know if it was because I loaded the hboot that came with the app or what...I said yes so not sure....but I flashed recovery and then I was getting errors in recovery about not able to mount anything....well luckily I flashed a nandroid earlier today....I restored that back up and voila back up.....
So get the .1 version of the app....do a nandroid before you try this....and now I can flash kernels on the fly...yay.....thanks guys!!!