SE ICS: A Bad Deal?

phoneyericsson · Apr 8, 2012

I've just been re-reading the official Sony comparison of their Gingerbread and ICS offering. This time I've had the chance to read more properly all the things they said. For the first time I actually have sympathy for Sony. The manufacturers bring out phones (e.g. SE) with the Xperias 2011 all running Gingerbread from the very start, then the next Google upgrade wipes out the phones. I owned the 2010 X10 Mini and our phone got wiped out the same way. It seems to me that we consumers do not benefit. Anyone who comes to this forum is already a bit of tech. nut, we are a very small population of the whole market, of course we want to try what's new and hot. But in this blog, Sony is explicitly saying that ICS is much, much more demanding on system resources and that we will definitely see a fall in performance, they clearly reference longer boot up time, apps force closing and stalling as well as poor video performance for different reasons that they explain in the blog.

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics

Now I want to wait before I upgrade and check out the news. A few new icons and wallpapers is NOT good enough reason for me to upgrade. Better battery is a good reason to wait, which in that blog, Sony says you will get with Gingerbread over ICS. Do we really benefit here? Do we have to buy a new phone every year now, because Google is bumping up the demands of Android, like Microsoft did with Windows Vista? Windows 7 has less requirements than Vista, only slightly, and 8 has the same requirements as 7 so at least we could use the same laptop/pc for a few years. With Google, the way they are doing this is screwing us over I think.

For you, stay with Gingerbread, move to ICS, not sure or want to wait?

prateek_gemini · Apr 8, 2012

Ray users say they havent experienced any major bugs... Battery is definitely poor for now.....

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Dlmc85 · Apr 8, 2012

I think on the minis and active devices we have the advance of having a smaller resolution area while having almost the same hardware as the other xperia 2011

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phoneyericsson · Apr 8, 2012

They are really both very good points: we can look to the current Sony beta roms for more clues and it is true, our smaller screen being powered by the same CPU is an advantage. Perhaps we Mini users will have the least trouble amongst the 2011 Xperias?

melander · Apr 8, 2012

Gingerbread would still be the most dominant OS, due to its stability on most phones,
having a new OS or phone is not always the best option.
I really thank the devs here in XDA, they are keeping old phones alive,
giving us a chance to have a taste of the new flavor and further improving stock OS on current phones.
I just recently read about the Xperia S Rom ported to Xperia X10 here, how cool is that...?

urra901109 · Apr 8, 2012

I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB

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saugatdb · Apr 8, 2012

you can always remove the bloatwares

, though of course with custom roms we can do a lot of things which are still restricted even with a rooted stock rom

dumraden · Apr 8, 2012

urra901109 said:
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB

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If you want a different UI, just use a different home.apk? Just saying...

But yea i'm with the OP on these thoughts, have had the same thoughts for quite some time now. The thing is, we can make ICS faster on our devices just as we did with GB, but... How stable will the non-stock ICS roms be? Honestly I would rather see MIUI roms derived from GB as a base than ICS. A lot more stable with less bugs. Even the MIUI roms aren't AOSP based (as are official MIUI releases), they are FXP based roms. So, all in all we are between Stock and FXP releases.

I am not bashing on people working on developing MIUI and various ICS based roms, but like the OP, i'd rather have stability over "new features", such as full HW acceleration, which can be triggered using a variable in GB too (mind you that uses more juice).

I am going to seriously think about moving Spartan Rom from stock GB rom as a source, to stock ICS as a source.

Even if the battery consumption, which in my list of priorities for a fully functional rom is the highest in the list, is sub-par, I wont be switching over to ICS personally.

saugatdb · Apr 8, 2012

@drumraden if you see about other devices there are lots of stable roms are available (mostly aosp based, even I am using a stable custom rom for my Xoom)
We just need to give time to the devs to come up with stable ice roms.

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dumraden · Apr 8, 2012

You don't get my point.

The only reason to build an MIUI from ICS sources, is for the **** of saying its ICS therefore updated.

phoneyericsson · Apr 8, 2012

Yeah as for battery drain, I'm afraid Sony says on that site above that battery will be less durable with official ICS. What a shame. The discussion here though is really making me thing about all of this.

ginryu · Apr 9, 2012

Yeah I am seriously thinking of going back to gb as soon as there is a good miui rom I am right now on ics because there is only one really stable miui release for the lww and it is ics but i really prefer better battery life.
On the other hand I prefer ics over hb a thousand times on my tab but it has like 7 times the battery of my phone so I have no issue with that.

juyran · Apr 9, 2012

I'll prefer ICS when main apps start to requires ICS.
While the requirements surround the GB I'll stick with it.
But it's nice to know that if it occurs my phone will be ready.
That's why I bought my mini-pro.

Someguyfromhell · Apr 9, 2012

Personally, I will first give it a try. Then we will see, if it deserves to stay on my LWW or not...

prateek_gemini · Apr 9, 2012

yup ... sure will giv official a try ... but the best rom on gb wud be miui .... is that project still going on or has been dumped ?

melander · Apr 9, 2012

i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...

phoneyericsson · Apr 9, 2012

melander said:
i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...

I like the sound of that....perfect functionality and stunning visuals, yes.

prateek_gemini · Apr 10, 2012

Yup it feels tooo good..... Had it on ace.... Beautiful and fast......

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batman368 · Apr 10, 2012

I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though

dumraden · Apr 10, 2012

batman368 said:
I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though

One simple question... How much battery %/hour does the rom you have installed consume in standby mode with all radios except mobile turned off.

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