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charlie.s

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Official Samsung Wireless Charging Back

From the pictures I have seen on Ebay, it looks like the official charger is more than just a wireless receiver. There are two sets of contacts and presumably one is for the charging and the other for NFC. It could be that the NFC antenna located in the battery is blocked by the wireless receiver, hence the need for another one in the back.
 

busab

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I am curious about T-Mobile version. For some hell only knows what reason, they left pins there, but one pin was not connected to charging circuit. So they did nothing, unless you are willing to get dirty with a soldering iron.

I am curious about T-Mobile version. For some hell only knows what reason, they left pins there, but one pin was not connected to charging circuit. So they did nothing, unless you are willing to get dirty with a soldering iron.

There is a thread in the tmobile note 2 section that confirms wireless charging does indeed work this time on the tmobile variant.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2466111

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Gully Foyle

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Just wondering if this would work and if it will still let NFC work?

Sorry had to remove the link but on Amazon there is a Qi Standard Wireless charging Receiver for SAMSUNG Galaxy Note III from MC POWER TECHNOLOGY (HK) CO.,LIMITED.

TIA
 

gordonzhao

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Anyone use any third party back cover or charging pad? I'm curious as to the performance compared to the OEM equipment.

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gnik luap

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MobileFun has the black official charging back in stock:

That's too rich for my blood.
If anyone wants to sell it for the same as the S4 version ($40) I might go for it, but now I guess I'll wait for the cheep Qi inserts to show up on Amazon.

When you get one please let us know how thick it is in comparison to the standard back. The S4 version is thick enough that most cases won't fit properly.

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ScottC

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That's too rich for my blood.
If anyone wants to sell it for the same as the S4 version ($40) I might go for it, but now I guess I'll wait for the cheep Qi inserts to show up on Amazon.

When you get one please let us know how thick it is in comparison to the standard back. The S4 version is thick enough that most cases won't fit properly.

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I tried several of the cheap ones on my S4, and hated them all - things like slow charging and regular disconnects. I loved the original one from Samsung, and while it does make it a little thicker, I don't use a case, so I never noticed it. I'll post my thoughts when it shows up here.
 

gnik luap

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I tried several of the cheap ones on my S4, and hated them all - things like slow charging and regular disconnects. I loved the original one from Samsung, and while it does make it a little thicker, I don't use a case, so I never noticed it. I'll post my thoughts when it shows up here.

Before I returned the S4 I used a cheap bumper for a while, but it stated to come apart. I really don't like the idea of going without a case or bumper, this phone will cost me almost $800 by the time I get a glass screen protector. I should really find an insurance plan (not through T-Mobile, it seems like there are too many hassles & too high a co-pay from what I've read).

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SGBE

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Hi Guys,
I was one of the users who investigated and found the Note 2 has the QI pins present, but not enabled by the TMO processor variant. Regardless, there was a mod made for it and I later released an updated process that turned out to be a little easier.

This morning, I decided to investigate the N3 and I can confirm (as it has been discussed here already) the TMO Note 3 does in fact have the QI wireless charging enabled out of the box. However, as discussed, that means nothing if there is no receiving pad in the rear casing area to convert the inductance signal to the required 5VDC feed. As shown in this thread, you can use a modified Note II receiving pad, but I found the stock setup to be a little bulky and the rear case seems somewhat "humped". So out came the soldering iron, siccors, and some patience.

First, regarding the pins above and to the side of the battery, a few of the observations already made by others are correct -

(2) pins above the battery = NFC

(2) of the (3) pins to the left of the battery = QI Wireless charging [ pin1= + / pin2= - ]
(The 3rd pin appears to be an external current monitoring/future use pin)

With that out of the way, let's rip apart a stock N2 QI pad! I will use a 5VDC 1000ma N2 pad, which is rather thick at 1.75mm. But, with the two sides removed (hot blow-dryer/heat gun is your friend), the height is reduce to near 1mm. (tip - carefully cut/save a 3mm x 5mm section of the foam padding as we will use that later).

qi_n900t_b.jpg


Since we have to "flip" the layout of the QI pad, I proceeded to do the following in order to keep by the inductance coil as close as possible to the rear casing surface and remove the thick hump cause by folding the contact pads copper trace over (proceed only if you have experience with a soldering iron and electronics in general):

A. Cut a horizontal slit in the protective laminate layer just below the area the oval inductor sits on (and above the little copper PCB area) so the oval inductor can be CAREFULLY slid and flipped to the opposite side without messing up to two leads.

B. Cut off the pin contacts laminate section so it can be flipped as well and soldered back together(now facing the opposite direction and on the top/left side).

C. Trim the remaining surface area around the pad perimeter to insure the pad stays within the battery cavity section of the rear casing. A Quick placement/fit test on the battery side is done to insure all is well.

qi_n900t_c.jpg


Once confirmed functional, the pad circuitry can be properly placed on the rear cover plate and secured using one of the previously used cover-stickers (the one without the padding). If needed, place that 3mm x 5mm foam cushion you cut earlier under the area of the pin contacts to help keep a secure connection when the casing cover plate is reattached.

qi_n900t_d.jpg


The final test is to see how everything does after the final assembly is complete. I use the Samsung OEM wireless charger, but any QI standard charger should be fine.:D

qi_n900t_a.jpg


Lastly, it seems the stock kernel limits the wireless charge current to 640-650mA, which is expected. Hopefully, when a custom kernel is released, the current limiting will be removed and allow it to go up to 990-1000mA with this specific pad like the Saber variant did for the Note 2.

Hope this helps and sorry if I missed anything or wasn't as detailed as I usually am. It is a nice Sunday here in San Diego and I should be outside with the family!

Cheers,
Scott
 

rchapoteau

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How long does it take to give a full charge with this?

Also, will this work through a case? I like the idea of wireless charging, but I don't want to have to take the case off every single time I use it.
 
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SGBE

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How long does it take to give a full charge with this?

Also, will this work through a case? I like the idea of wireless charging, but I don't want to have to take the case off every single time I use it.

I went from 75% to 100% in about 2 hours, but I have no tested it further. There are some charge times a few pages back.

By its nature, QI charging is only good for about 4-5mm so most compatible cases are typically rear case replacements. Some ultra thin cases may work but my favorite leather folio case for my N2 did not play nice with the Samsung wireless charging pad. I will test few N3 cases this coming week.

Scott
 
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charlie.s

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I would appreciate it if you would check out the NFC functionality after your mod.

Thanks :)
 

RainmanX

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Wireless Charging thread.

Note 3 supports Wireless charging as did the Note 2.

Wireless charging is a MUST for me as I have many devices and im getting sick of plugging in wires.

Looks like Samsung is introducing the extremely expensive "official" wireless charging setup,

But we will also have options such as QI in which you can buy just the reciever and stick it under any cover you like.

Lets see what options we have here and compare.

I found the Wireless charging kit in China. Not be official.

http://demonko.taobao.com
 

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gordonzhao

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So as listed a few pages back the MC power one is the only insert I've seen specifically for the note 3 on amazon. Anyone have others worth trying that isn't $27? That's a bit steep in my opinion. On top of that I would also need to get the receiver pad as well...

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perosredo

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QI wireless charging and Replacing batteries

I have never used Wireless charging or Qi before - will the Qi appendages interfere with me swapping batteries in and out while I'm out and about?
 

SGBE

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I would appreciate it if you would check out the NFC functionality after your mod.

Thanks :)

<<putting on my FCC type acceptance testing hat>>

When it comes to NFC and QI charging, the specs are:

NFC operates at 13.56MHz with a operational range of up to 100mm (10cm).

Wireless (Qi) charging operates at 100-200KHz (+5vDC @ up to 1000mAh) with a range of approximately 5mm.

In regards to these technologies being used in a mobile device, we can also consider the operating "volume" range or the minimal region each signal type can occupy and still function reliably. In this environment, both NFC and QI are tested independently and then a jointly to create an operational volume in a conflicting RFI field. See below:

nfcv.png


Since NFC will be the more widely used signal type, it is considered more "valuable" than wireless inductance charging and therefore dictates the minimal operational volume standard specified in most if not all cellular devices. In this case, the NFC operational range mimics a lot of the Qi characteristics and that is not a coincidence (rather it is to play it safe).

Since the primary frequency ranges are so far apart and it is unlikely that the NFC functionality would be used at the same time the mobile device is on a Qi pad being charged, there should not be a significance degradation in performance if the Qi inductor is passive (not in use) and sitting within 1mm of the 13.56MHz near field antenna within the Note 3 battery cell housing. Now, if the Qi inductor is active (in use), then enough RFI could be created to effectively reduce or hinder the NFC operation up to 90%; making it useless even at 5mm. This is also why the Samsung notice pops up with the wireless charging notification stating the S-pen may not function properly within range of the Qi transmitting inductor.

With all this said, yes, I have found the NFC still functions fine up to 60mm with the Qi receiving pad installed and NOT functional (passive mode). If the N3 is charging, there is no NFC functionality, which is not a surprise. Hope this helps.

Scott-

---------- Post added at 04:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:17 PM ----------

I have never used Wireless charging or Qi before - will the Qi appendages interfere with me swapping batteries in and out while I'm out and about?

If the pad is not attached (stickered) to the battery, no, it will not interfere. This is also why it is best to attach it to the rear casing plate... or fork out the big $$ for the official solution from Samsung.
 

wilflare

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man.. the Samsung Wireless Charging kits aren't priced nicely at all...
 
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    Hi Guys,
    I was one of the users who investigated and found the Note 2 has the QI pins present, but not enabled by the TMO processor variant. Regardless, there was a mod made for it and I later released an updated process that turned out to be a little easier.

    This morning, I decided to investigate the N3 and I can confirm (as it has been discussed here already) the TMO Note 3 does in fact have the QI wireless charging enabled out of the box. However, as discussed, that means nothing if there is no receiving pad in the rear casing area to convert the inductance signal to the required 5VDC feed. As shown in this thread, you can use a modified Note II receiving pad, but I found the stock setup to be a little bulky and the rear case seems somewhat "humped". So out came the soldering iron, siccors, and some patience.

    First, regarding the pins above and to the side of the battery, a few of the observations already made by others are correct -

    (2) pins above the battery = NFC

    (2) of the (3) pins to the left of the battery = QI Wireless charging [ pin1= + / pin2= - ]
    (The 3rd pin appears to be an external current monitoring/future use pin)

    With that out of the way, let's rip apart a stock N2 QI pad! I will use a 5VDC 1000ma N2 pad, which is rather thick at 1.75mm. But, with the two sides removed (hot blow-dryer/heat gun is your friend), the height is reduce to near 1mm. (tip - carefully cut/save a 3mm x 5mm section of the foam padding as we will use that later).

    qi_n900t_b.jpg


    Since we have to "flip" the layout of the QI pad, I proceeded to do the following in order to keep by the inductance coil as close as possible to the rear casing surface and remove the thick hump cause by folding the contact pads copper trace over (proceed only if you have experience with a soldering iron and electronics in general):

    A. Cut a horizontal slit in the protective laminate layer just below the area the oval inductor sits on (and above the little copper PCB area) so the oval inductor can be CAREFULLY slid and flipped to the opposite side without messing up to two leads.

    B. Cut off the pin contacts laminate section so it can be flipped as well and soldered back together(now facing the opposite direction and on the top/left side).

    C. Trim the remaining surface area around the pad perimeter to insure the pad stays within the battery cavity section of the rear casing. A Quick placement/fit test on the battery side is done to insure all is well.

    qi_n900t_c.jpg


    Once confirmed functional, the pad circuitry can be properly placed on the rear cover plate and secured using one of the previously used cover-stickers (the one without the padding). If needed, place that 3mm x 5mm foam cushion you cut earlier under the area of the pin contacts to help keep a secure connection when the casing cover plate is reattached.

    qi_n900t_d.jpg


    The final test is to see how everything does after the final assembly is complete. I use the Samsung OEM wireless charger, but any QI standard charger should be fine.:D

    qi_n900t_a.jpg


    Lastly, it seems the stock kernel limits the wireless charge current to 640-650mA, which is expected. Hopefully, when a custom kernel is released, the current limiting will be removed and allow it to go up to 990-1000mA with this specific pad like the Saber variant did for the Note 2.

    Hope this helps and sorry if I missed anything or wasn't as detailed as I usually am. It is a nice Sunday here in San Diego and I should be outside with the family!

    Cheers,
    Scott
    6
    Observations on wireless charging for Note3 & S3 on Tylt VU

    A month ago I was even more excited to receive my Tylt VU than when I got my Note 3 in hand. This is because I was fascinated with wireless charging right from my S3 time to be able to charge it without the need to plug and pull wires from these hungry devices. But lack of reliable accessories made me to wait until this long.

    More than receiver stickers on battery I thought OEM φi compatible cases are more reliable and long lasting. Reading through the positive reviews and few other misleading articles about Samsung S-view flip cover for Note3 having wireless charging capabilities I was all happy with the slim and decent looks it added to my N3 along with its s-view sensors until I received my Tylt VU.

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    To my biggest disappointment I see nothing happens on my Note3 with S-View cover when placed on Tylt VU. Being on a custom ROM I even tried my S-View on another N3 with stock rom, still no signs of charging. I was so confident about my Tylt VU that I started shouting at the seller who sold my S-view and also at the Samsung customer service for denying to look into this defective case under warranty.

    After careful reading I realized how much I was fooled by Samsung cheap sales trick to sell non Qi version of its S-view covers in India. You will hardly find any difference between these two versions of covers unless you know 5 pins are required on the inside of this case for both wireless charging and s-view functions unlike two pins for just S-view sensors.

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    See the difference yourself

    https://www.samsungindiaestore.com/Products/Accessories/Note3_S_view_Cover_EF-CN900BBEGIN (Without wireless charging support)

    http://www.samsung.com/za/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/galaxy-note-accessories/EF-TN900BBEGWW (With wireless charging support)


    I can understand the seller for not having idea on these identical duos, so asked my apologies for shouting at him but the service center guys they are pathetic as they dint even know what it means by wireless charging.

    This time I ordered two battery receiver stickers for N3 & S3 and another built-in receiver replaceable back case for S3 as a backup. I thought I cannot use my S-view case anymore when I stick the wireless receiver on the battery covering all the 5 pin holes so I ordered a SPIGEN SGP Ultra Fit Case.

    In a casual attempt I tried fitting the S-view case over the wireless sticker and to my pleasant surprise I see both S-View and Wireless Charging works now. I think the pin could touch the contacts right from the back of battery sticker to make everything work.


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    Looks like Tylt VU is worth the extra bucks spent on it as it charges in any angle the phone is placed. I don’t have to be so conscious in the middle of the night If I have to place it back on tylt VU it charges without missing it. It even charges N3 through my Spigen fit case with ease.

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    Some facts and figures from my testing with Note-3 using different charging sources.


    Using Note3 Samsung Charger (Output Current – 2000mA)
    Charges at 1200mA

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    Using S3 Samsung Charger (Output Current – 1000mA)
    Charges at 900mA

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    Using Tylt VU Wireless Charger (Output Current – 1000mA)
    With battery sticker charging efficiency lying between 60-75%,
    Charges at 640mA

    2013-12-25-23-45-37.png


    On average my Tylt VU charges Note3 at 20% per hour taking around 4.5 hrs for a full charge.


    Using Laptop connecting with USB2.0/USB3.0 port
    Charges at 450mA

    2013-12-26-14-45-12.png



    I could make my Note 3 charging at 1800mA for few seconds second by placing it on Tylt VU while it is connected to its 2000mA power charger.

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    6
    . . .the continuing saga of "what is the best wireless charging / NFC for use with the Otterbox Defender case?'. . .

    The newest configuration I am running is with the QI/NFC circuit from the OEM Samsung charging back, fitted to the stock Note 3 back cover.

    After separating the circuit card from the OEM charging back, I was able to carefully remove the actual circuit from the plastic card, leaving me with the fantastic OEM Samsung QI/NFC in a package just as thin as the white Amazon QI card I'd been using for the last couple weeks.

    I mounted the circuit directly to the inside back cover so that I could remove the cover and/or battery without disturbing the card, using clear 3M paint protection film to mount the card - this protects the circuit, and holds it all around the perimeter. (The thin metal 'T' on the OEM card is a heat sink for the IC chip).

    The first 3 pictures below are views of the back cover on, showing the very slight deformation from the mounted circuit card - fits snugly inside the Otterbox Defender case, but without any issues - and that is with my iLoome tempered glass screen protector on as well.

    The last picture shows the OEM QI/NFC card mounted to the inside of the back cover of the Note 3.

    Both the wireless charging and the NFC have been thoroughly tested with this newest setup - and they work like a charm!

    Cheers'

    Dan
    6
    Ultra-thin 0.5mm Qi Wireless Charging Receiver Card Coil for Samsung Galaxy Note III 3 N9005 N9500 with Full NFC Support

    Picked up another Qi Receiver that arrived today. This was purchased from Amazon from the link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GFGL0XE

    It was $21.99 and had free shipping (I used Prime but paid $1.99 for next day)

    It is advertised as: 0.5mm and it is easily the thinnest of the Receivers I've physically seen so far, but might be a tad bit thicker at the chip. But it is still very slender. It has 2 pins on the side for the Qi connections, and 2 pins on top for NFC support. The chip itself is near the top of the card and sits just under the camera. The back cover of the phone however fit as flat as the TechMatte that I did a review on.

    Some pics:

    The box and the card taken out (there are no instructions but it is fairly easy for even a very novice user to figure it out)

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    Other side of the box:

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    Cover side:

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    Battery and connector side:

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    Unlike the Techmatte, there are some differences:
    • Slimmer
    • No cover side connectors that you could use for say the s-view flip cover
    • Has NFC built in and and works well

    Will add pics of it inside the phone when I get my other camera out.

    Oh and it appears to charge just fine. I was seeing 640mAh when I checked it with two different apps to check.
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    Last night I charged 1st time the phone with QI, and I'm totally fine of the time that was 4 and something hours from 15% to full. Also I was checking every now and then the temperature with a laser thermometer between the backplate and the base because I was afraid that the coil maybe was somehow hot (I never had used a wireless charger in anything before) and temp was max at 38C so all are good in that area.
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