[APP][4.0+] SwiP - Switch profiles intelligently 0.2.7 [Beta]

Aerkhanite · Feb 18, 2014

AllSeeyinEye said:
You're trying to say you're a native speaker. Don't translate everything literally. Mother tongue (moedertaal) is definitely not what you meant

Sent from my GT-i9505

Mother tongue is the correct English translation for moedertaal mate.

AllSeeyinEye said:
OK, tnx, I learned something today!

Sent from my GT-i9505

Dankjewel is thank you, in English, not tnx.

AllSeeyinEye · Feb 18, 2014

Well, I already stood corrected, so I don't quite understand why you have to repeat a previous given response and top that with some cocky remark...

Sent from my GT-i9505

HippoMan · Feb 18, 2014

AllSeeyinEye said:
OK, tnx, I learned something today!

You're very welcome. Few people would be gracious enough to admit that they learned something, so thank you.

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mazlano27 · Feb 19, 2014

Love it!

Amazing Work!

Flow-Chi · Feb 19, 2014

Wow thank you guys for the awesome responses!
I am overwhelmed by joy

Sorry it took me so long to reply, I wasn't at home for a few days..
So let's answer some of your questions (I hope I don't miss any).

Aerkhanite said:
Since you've open-sourced the app, why don't you upload it to f-droid.org?

prysme said:
It has succesfully been installed on an AOSP without any Gapps.
It would be great if you application was submitted on FDroid and would gain visibility toward open source user.

We are big F-Droid fans ourselves and totally want to add it to their repository, but what's keeping us from it at the moment are licensing issues.
Since we use Google Play Services for geofencing (which aren't FOSS software), we can't distribute it on F-Droid.
Maybe we'll be able to release it without the geofencing somehow (which would sadly take away a pretty nice feature).
Concerning this the self-implemented cell tower method would be rather nice, but it will still take some time till we get to it.

AllSeeyinEye said:
Got some suggestions:

- Use bluetooth connections as trigger
- Start apps in certain profiles (i.e. maps when connected to car bluetooth)
- Unlink call- and notification volume (I want to be able to hear calls at night (emergencies), but messages I do not need to hear)

Thanks for the feedback!
Bluetooth connections and starting apps in profiles are certainly on our to-do list
(Still need to make up a suitable interface)
We already had call and notification volume separated in an earlier version, but then joined them,
because some preinstalled roms from manufacturer's do not seem to differentiate between those two
(and it would cause some confusion if the volume is not set correctly).
Maybe we should add an option in the settings to split them?
Would you think that's an acceptable solution?

User_99 said:
How about other languages? Any plans for that?

Aerkhanite said:
I'd be willing to translate to Dutch, if needed.
It's my mother tongue.

We'd love to get the app translated into other languages!
But since we only entrust ourselves with English and German, we need some voluntary translators (even though we know some other languages, but it's something different if you're required to translate applications).
So if anyone is interested, just send me a private message

Thanks Aerkhanite for your offer! I'll get to you soon :laugh:

ermacwins said:
Would it be possible to do this in 4.4 roms, open google apps and it automaticcalt triggers location toggle? Only problem is dialogue box popping asking for confirmation

Sorry, mate. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say..
Do you mean that launching a certain application should trigger a profile (with gps active for example)?
I don't think we could do that..

exodius48 said:
Nice.
Would be better if it could switch off and reboot phone automatically.

I don't know if we're going to do that soon.. the risk's too high that the user presses a
profile by accident and then gets pissed

gusano38 said:
Just one thing, could it be possible to have the screen lock set to none instead of it set to slide?

We've invested quite some time in making the lockscreen function better, but we haven't had that much success yet

Seems like google doesn't want applications to mess with it :angel:
But we'll keep on trying, mostly because I'd prefer no lockscreen too.. (also the lockscreen setting seems too random at the moment).

ctbear said:
One thing I noticed while playing with it for a few minutes: I added a trigger and set a marker in the location option, but the preference summary still says "ignored" under location. The app seems to be working fine based on that location though.
Also I think it would be nice if we can have a negation trigger, like "when not at this location".

As I've seen you've already added the issue to our issue tracker. Thanks for that!
Yeah a negotiation would be nice, you're right!
Where do you think should we add the option? Maybe inside the overflow-menu?

Once again: thank you all for the great feedback, you're really nice people!
Feel free to ask/remark anything!

Please consider that we are students who did this as an university project and are now trying to maintain the project in their free time, so it can sometimes take a while till new updates get released

ctbear · Feb 19, 2014

Flow-Chi said:
As I've seen you've already added the issue to our issue tracker. Thanks for that!
Yeah a negotiation would be nice, you're right!
Where do you think should we add the option? Maybe inside the overflow-menu?

I am no UX designer, but something like a checkbox at the top of the trigger setup would be enough for me. I'm sure others have better designs.

JerryGNYC · Feb 19, 2014

@Flow-Chi, regarding -
"Sorry, mate. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say..
Do you mean that launching a certain application should trigger a profile (with gps active for example)?
I don't think we could do that.."

FWIW, Tasker does this, so it's possible. I use it to toggle screen rotation, display timeout, and others. A profile can handle multiple apps.

Or am I way off base in the way I'm interpreting what you said?

Thanks/Cheers,

-Jerry

sabret00the · Feb 19, 2014

If you manage to get to a stage where you provide all the functionality that Tasker has, I can definitely see myself having problems deciding whether to stick or move over to this. I wish you devs the best of luck with this project.

ContactFront · Feb 20, 2014

Flow-Chi said:
We'd love to get the app translated into other languages!
But since we only entrust ourselves with English and German, we need some voluntary translators (even though we know some other languages, but it's something different if you're required to translate applications).
So if anyone is interested, just send me a private message
Thanks Aerkhanite for your offer! I'll get to you soon :laugh:

Actually there's a group of volunteer translators here on xda (i'm one of them

),

Check out this thread, set up your project on Crowdin or Getlocalization then we can help you out:victory:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2069390

cvhovey · Feb 20, 2014

Thanks for developing this app. Though I previously bought Tasker and usually pride myself on learning things quickly, I'm a Tasker-flunky. SwiP has been easy to understand and use. Thanks!

Flow-Chi · Feb 20, 2014

ctbear said:
I am no UX designer, but something like a checkbox at the top of the trigger setup would be enough for me. I'm sure others have better designs.

I'm sure we can come up with something that satisfies most users.
The checkbox certainly is a possibility, but we don't want the geofence selection to become overloaded (another user already stated that an address-bar would be nice and we agree on that).
So we'll see where this option will be hidden

JerryGNYC said:
FWIW, Tasker does this, so it's possible. I use it to toggle screen rotation, display timeout, and others. A profile can handle multiple apps.

Or am I way off base in the way I'm interpreting what you said?

No you got it right.. didn't know that was possible!
It certainly would be an interesting feature, but it's not on our to-do list at the moment.

ContactFront said:
Actually there's a group of volunteer translators here on xda (i'm one of them),

Check out this thread, set up your project on Crowdin or Getlocalization then we can help you out:victory:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2069390

Wow! That's awesome!

I'm going to set up a crowdin project in the next few days and post a link to it in the thread (and also here).

BTW: Is it normal for the google play developer console to mess with my feelings?

Yesterday the download count seen in the application overview was pretty amazing,
but today it's back to what it was a few days ago..
If I decide to check the advanced statistics it's still the higher count :silly:

JerryGNYC · Feb 20, 2014

OK, I can respect that decision with no problems... :good:

It's a feature does come in handy. I recently got my S4 and I decided not to bring over all my Tasker tasks and profiles en masse. This morning I recreated a profile that, if I load any of 4 specific apps, it will turn on GPS, and turn it off a minute and 30 seconds after I exit the app.

MF4 · Feb 21, 2014

Hi all,
Great to see that there is more competition in the profile automation world! It's always great to try them out!

My first impressions on trying it out for a while is that I have a hard time understanding the process. But I would totally understand if i'm not getting it right in the way the app should be set up. I am a Llama user and I love 2 things (in comparaison to SwiP) in the way to set automation up.

It's location-based. I probably have 20 actions based on my 'home' place. they are clear (for me at least) and organized correctly (folders). The way I understood SwiP, if I want 2 profiles at home, let's say one called 'basic' for data ON; and another one to swith WiFi on when watching youtube at home, i NEED to create 2 profiles.
My problem is that, in the end i would end up with too many profiles (and not triggers), when I actually need 3 (home, work, elsewhere). Either SwiP is not developped to be used like this, either I am not setting it up properly. Because I understand that you can have 50+ trigger actions, but I don't think we are supposed to have 10+ profiles.

My second thought is about organization (i totally understand the app is in its very early days

). I like to be able to organize my actions under a common spec (profiles in my example). When testing, I would have a hard time remembering which trigger did what. I also was suprised to see that trigger actions were not highlighted when currently running. This would definitely help spotting configuration errors

All this said, great work so far! and thanks for giving us automation possibilities!

Flow-Chi · Feb 22, 2014

MF4 said:
If I want 2 profiles at home, let's say one called 'basic' for data ON; and another one to swith WiFi on when watching youtube at home, i NEED to create 2 profiles.
My problem is that, in the end i would end up with too many profiles (and not triggers), when I actually need 3 (home, work, elsewhere). Either SwiP is not developped to be used like this, either I am not setting it up properly. Because I understand that you can have 50+ trigger actions, but I don't think we are supposed to have 10+ profiles.

My second thought is about organization (i totally understand the app is in its very early days ). I like to be able to organize my actions under a common spec (profiles in my example). When testing, I would have a hard time remembering which trigger did what. I also was suprised to see that trigger actions were not highlighted when currently running. This would definitely help spotting configuration errors

Yeah you're right, at the moment you'd need to create two profiles. I don't think we are going to change that soon as it still allows all possibilities (it only isn't the best structured solution).

We are not that location-centered as Llama so the current location isn't handled any differently than the other rules, the more important thing is the priority. If you use the priority right you should be able to get nearly the same setup as in Llama.

Maybe we'll add the feature to hide some profiles or to create profiles directly in a trigger, so they are only available for that trigger and not visible outside (I prefer the latter).

The interface is not really made for more complex setups like yours and highlighting currently triggered events doesn't really fit in there.
If the project becomes more powerful we'll most certainly need to think about a redesign, but its too early to do it now.

Still thanks a lot for the feedback we're surely going to heed it, when we've more advanced in development!

MF4 · Feb 23, 2014

Flow-Chi said:
Yeah you're right, at the moment you'd need to create two profiles. I don't think we are going to change that soon as it still allows all possibilities (it only isn't the best structured solution).

We are not that location-centered as Llama so the current location isn't handled any differently than the other rules, the more important thing is the priority. If you use the priority right you should be able to get nearly the same setup as in Llama.

Maybe we'll add the feature to hide some profiles or to create profiles directly in a trigger, so they are only available for that trigger and not visible outside (I prefer the latter).

The interface is not really made for more complex setups like yours and highlighting currently triggered events doesn't really fit in there.
If the project becomes more powerful we'll most certainly need to think about a redesign, but its too early to do it now.

Still thanks a lot for the feedback we're surely going to heed it, when we've more advanced in development!

Thanks a lot for your reply!
Of course I understand that it is early in development, early in the beta dev too!! Especially compared to months of frustration from your competition in triggering just like i need it!

I will not forget to mention your app when i'm asked about a profile app!

t.daun · Feb 24, 2014

Switching of CM based profiles

Hello,

glad to hear that an alternative profile switcher is in development. I wonder, if SwiP can take the profiles of CM based ROMs to switch between them. I tested LLama previously, then I came to various CM based ROMS that have profiles inside. At the moment I manually switch between these builtin profiles. It would be great to combine it with your triggers.

Flow-Chi · Feb 24, 2014

t.daun said:
I wonder, if SwiP can take the profiles of CM based ROMs to switch between them. I tested LLama previously, then I came to various CM based ROMS that have profiles inside. At the moment I manually switch between these builtin profiles. It would be great to combine it with your triggers.

That sounds like a nice idea! We'll look into it when we find the time.
(If it's easy to do, it would be really cool to add it!)

BTW:
We've released version 0.2.3 of SwiP today!
The often reported geofence bug should be fixed now :victory:
Also we've added new translations for German, Spanish and Dutch.
If you want to support us, you could translate SwiP into your native language here: https://crowdin.net/project/swip

The update's available here as attachment, on Bitbucket and Google Play as of today.

Please report any bugs you encounter

Happy profile switching!

User_99 · Feb 25, 2014

Beta works fine here on my Nexus 7. Sometimes I cannot set some values - ex for battery: if I want to open the dialogue for the checkboxes, it only flashes and the window do not open.

Small bug:

Feature request: Dark UI, please add a black / dark theme

Updated German translation to be more consequent in the wording.

Flow-Chi · Feb 26, 2014

User_99 said:
Sometimes I cannot set some values - ex for battery: if I want to open the dialogue for the checkboxes, it only flashes and the window do not open.

Feature request: Dark UI, please add a black / dark theme

Updated German translation to be more consequent in the wording.

I've never heard of the bug with the checkboxes, it's rather hard to fix for us as we can't really reproduce it..
The screenshot isn't really a bug, it's just the way my colleague decided to implement the profile selection, he stated that it's pretty common on the web and I just let him do his thing

Dark UI sounds really cool, we'll put it on our to-do list

Thanks for the German translations, a lot of them were horrible that's even sadder if you take into consideration that it is my native language :silly:

We've released a new update today fixing issues with the systemapp function and containing new translations (Chinese and Russian).
It also includes User_99's improvements for the German translation.

Cheers! :cowboy:

User_99 · Feb 26, 2014

It's not the checkbox, it's the setting itself. If I want to select one, the options for this setting won't open. Only a flash of the selection is shown and will work after reopen the app.

No problem with the selection dialogue itself. What I want to say is, why is there the option "Wähle ein Profil aus"? Is this not the title? Or is this also an option?

Thx for kindly words about translation

Together it will be better and better

Bugteport: Currently have only one profile and one rule active. Profile Standard and trigger is time. In profile only set to change the sound-profile to silent. Timerange 17:00 till 07:30 and sound set to silent. It works fine at 17:00 and profile is active (sound goes silent) but in the morining it won't get activated again. Still silent at 07:50

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