[VIDEO] Samsung Galaxy S5 Water Damaged - QI Wireless Charger

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chrisngrod

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(forward to 1:16 if you just want to watch the underwater video)

The only reason I pulled this out of my thread is to make sure it is visible. The question arose whether or not an aftermarket QI receiver will cause the Galaxy S5 to leak water. The answer is in the video. You can actually hear the phone start to malfunction. I knew this was a high risk trial. It was a gamble and I lost. Well technically my wife lost. She now hates the Note 3 I have her using :p.

4776d1399254413-s5_water_damaged.jpg


If you look at the picture above, you can see the smooth path around the inside of the device that the seal on the battery door matches up with. Sometimes you will notice air bubbles come out of the phone when you submerge it. This is probably because water is allowed to get into areas up to the seal.

Now look at the QI receiver pad's ribbon cable that protrudes on the top left. One of the QI prongs is located within the seal path. Naturally the ribbon was in seal path as well. In addition to this, the small amount of bulk added under the cover could have been just enough to affect the small seals. Perhaps you could cut the ribbon ever so slightly, and do other modifications to make the pad thinner. Who really wants to do that and re-perform this test though?

I am definitely not accusing Samsung for any failure on their part. There are articles about the S4 Active having issues and AT&T doing on time courtesy replacements for those devices (unmodified). I checked with AT&T for S&Gs to see if there were any reports of S5s with issues. They said no. Only time will tell. This is not a warranty issue anyways because I modified the device.

The setup was tested with in a bathroom tub with the device off earlier in the day. It passed. No water seeped past the door seal. I should have tested it a few times at various depths up to 12" and moved the phone around to encourage water to get in. Starting at 1 second, 5 seconds, 10 seconds etc. Small tests would have minimized the amount of water that could have entered the phone without detection.

My recommendation is to not use the device on purpose for underwater photography. Take measures if you are going to be in an environment which could potentially result in your phone getting wet. Make sure all the seals are in tact and do not press buttons while the phone is submerged. It might not be a factor but why try?

If you ever notice water getting into your phone, no matter what make or model, turn it off immediately, take out the battery, and inspect. Upon inspection, should you notice any moisture, dry the phone for 24-48 hours at a minimum. This phone DID NOT die immediately. It actually just got worse over time. I should have dried it for about half a week I'm thinking. Remember, it's not really the water that does the damage to the circuitry. It's the electricity that is running though the water and shorting out components. Water seeping into the display probably isn't good in general but just trying to make a point. Initially it was only the home button that was malfunctioning (registering as being pressed the whole time). Screen was fine and everything. Then it had problems turning on. Hours later, when it did turn on, the screen was going. Hours after that, the screen would not turn on at all.

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Underwater wireless charging :). Explains where the water probably came from and demonstrates the failure.


4777d1399430090-%5Bvideo%5D-samsung-galaxy-s5-water-damage-watch-death-murmor-s5_qi_receiver.jpg


The S4 Active actually has a snap in the center of the device. Your S5 does not. Just a random tidbit.
 
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(forward to 1:16 if you just want to watch the underwater video)

The only reason I pulled this out of my thread is to make sure it is visible. The question arose whether or not an aftermarket QI receiver will cause the Galaxy S5 to leak water. The answer is in the video. You can actually hear the phone start to malfunction. I knew this was a high risk trial. It was a gamble and I lost. Well technically my wife lost. She now hates the Note 3 I have her using :p.

Thank you for confirming what was already highly speculated to be the case. Unfortunately your efforts will not stop the slew of idiots who think their 3rd party Qi receiver hack will still leave their phone IP67 compliant.
 

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It's a shame the official wireless coVer is in such short supply.....

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True but it's also a shame that they always make the phone thicker. I purchased one for the S4 just to give a little feedback and never used it again.

If some people got them and did a case compatibility thread, that'd be nice.

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The oem cover is only good if you don't intend to use a case, there is quite a small percentages that don't use cases, and many case manufacture won't make one case in two size to accommodate the two sizes of covers.


This is probably the first phone to support wireless charging with IP67.

---------- Post added at 01:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------

Next time only do a water test for your own benefit, and not for the forum, it's too costly.:fingers-crossed:
 
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The oem cover is only good if you don't intend to use a case, there is quite a small percentages that don't use cases, and many case manufacture won't make one case in two size to accommodate the two sizes of covers.


This is probably the first phone to support wireless charging with IP67.

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Next time only do a water test for your own benefit, and not for the forum, it's too costly.:fingers-crossed:

some of us wouldn't mind if samsung made compatible cases just for the qi wireless charger case :crying:
 

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Why would anyone be surprised about this outcome. Pretty expensive lab experiment too. That had fail written all over it using a 3rd party device like that. I would not try underwater video even with the stock phone. I think the intention of making this phone IP67 rated was more for the accidental toilet, sink, pool drop, etc. If you want to do underwater video I would suggest getting a GoPro.
 
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Why would anyone be surprised about this outcome. Pretty expensive lab experiment too. That had fail written all over it using a 3rd party device like that. I would not try underwater video even with the stock phone. I think the intention of making this phone IP67 rated was more for the accidental toilet, sink, pool drop, etc. If you want to do underwater video I would suggest getting a GoPro.

I agree on this, the ip67 is only for safety measures and not for anyone to put into water on purpose.

Thats why when members asked me about ip67 in my post regarding qi receiver, i just totally ignore them.
 
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So you added thickness to the back cover using the qi receiver and say the phone is water damaged. Why didn't you test it with the official samsung qi enabled back cover?
 
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chrisngrod

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Because I make Youtube videos? I was 75% sure that something was going to go wrong. I could live with the outcome. If you can't, don't even try.

Have you ever seen drop tests?

- Added underwater charging video which also shows about how much water gets in with an aftermarket wireless pad stuffed under the cover.
- Added picture which illustrates what was probably worse than the ribbon cable being in the track of the seal.
 
I believe the S5 Qi OEM cover will not make the phone thicker. Here is the link and quote for the S5 cover:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CG900IBUSTA
The Wireless Battery Cover was designed by Samsung to seamlessly match the look and feel of your Galaxy S 5 ensuring that your phone maintains its original style and slim profile.

Contrast this to Samsung's listing of the S4 cover:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CI950IWUSTA
The wireless charging cover adds minimal bulk to your device. Keep in mind that due to a slight addition of bulk, some case options may not fit optimally. Cannot be used with Samsung Flip Covers or the Protective Cover +

The S4 listing makes it very clear that it adds bulk, while the S5 listing says it maintains the original slim 'style'.

I have ordered a oem Qi S5 cover. I'll post when I get it if there are issues (but since I am in Canada and have ordered from US, I suspect that I will be late to the party and we will have the answer already).
 

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I believe the S5 Qi OEM cover will not make the phone thicker. Here is the link and quote for the S5 cover:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CG900IBUSTA


Contrast this to Samsung's listing of the S4 cover:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CI950IWUSTA


The S4 listing makes it very clear that it adds bulk, while the S5 listing says it maintains the original slim 'style'.

I have ordered a oem Qi S5 cover. I'll post when I get it if there are issues (but since I am in Canada and have ordered from US, I suspect that I will be late to the party and we will have the answer already).

The cover is already out and folks here have them. It makes the phone thicker.
 
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Ahh got it. Thanks! I have been watching threads and I totally missed these pictures.

Well, agreed that this is unfortunate (but in hindsight, expected).

Looks like it adds camera protection thankfully. I'm loving my Ringke Slim though so I'll have to decide. I have the black cover coming.

I guess the only real perfect solution is to have the QI capabilities built-in so that variances like this don't happen.

Thanks again and I'll check the thread a bit closer and see the comments, etc.
 

chrisngrod

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Ahh got it. Thanks! I have been watching threads and I totally missed these pictures.

Well, agreed that this is unfortunate (but in hindsight, expected).

Looks like it adds camera protection thankfully. I'm loving my Ringke Slim though so I'll have to decide. I have the black cover coming.

I guess the only real perfect solution is to have the QI capabilities built-in so that variances like this don't happen.

Thanks again and I'll check the thread a bit closer and see the comments, etc.

Welcome...

I was bored so I threw another device in the water. Nano coating... I like...

 

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Unfortunately I learned this the hardway today I forgot the qi pad would probably not allow the seal to complete and now my phone is in a bag of rice sitting on the window sill hoping and praying, I also oredered a new battery in hopes to fool the at&t associate into thinking it is a manufacturer malfunction fingers crossed
 

chrisngrod

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Oh no my video was pointless. Jk.. Sorry to hear that though. The longer you can wait the better.

Don't blow into the phone either thinking you can get the water out. You'll probably just push it deeper.

PM me if your run out of options.

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    (forward to 1:16 if you just want to watch the underwater video)

    The only reason I pulled this out of my thread is to make sure it is visible. The question arose whether or not an aftermarket QI receiver will cause the Galaxy S5 to leak water. The answer is in the video. You can actually hear the phone start to malfunction. I knew this was a high risk trial. It was a gamble and I lost. Well technically my wife lost. She now hates the Note 3 I have her using :p.

    4776d1399254413-s5_water_damaged.jpg


    If you look at the picture above, you can see the smooth path around the inside of the device that the seal on the battery door matches up with. Sometimes you will notice air bubbles come out of the phone when you submerge it. This is probably because water is allowed to get into areas up to the seal.

    Now look at the QI receiver pad's ribbon cable that protrudes on the top left. One of the QI prongs is located within the seal path. Naturally the ribbon was in seal path as well. In addition to this, the small amount of bulk added under the cover could have been just enough to affect the small seals. Perhaps you could cut the ribbon ever so slightly, and do other modifications to make the pad thinner. Who really wants to do that and re-perform this test though?

    I am definitely not accusing Samsung for any failure on their part. There are articles about the S4 Active having issues and AT&T doing on time courtesy replacements for those devices (unmodified). I checked with AT&T for S&Gs to see if there were any reports of S5s with issues. They said no. Only time will tell. This is not a warranty issue anyways because I modified the device.

    The setup was tested with in a bathroom tub with the device off earlier in the day. It passed. No water seeped past the door seal. I should have tested it a few times at various depths up to 12" and moved the phone around to encourage water to get in. Starting at 1 second, 5 seconds, 10 seconds etc. Small tests would have minimized the amount of water that could have entered the phone without detection.

    My recommendation is to not use the device on purpose for underwater photography. Take measures if you are going to be in an environment which could potentially result in your phone getting wet. Make sure all the seals are in tact and do not press buttons while the phone is submerged. It might not be a factor but why try?

    If you ever notice water getting into your phone, no matter what make or model, turn it off immediately, take out the battery, and inspect. Upon inspection, should you notice any moisture, dry the phone for 24-48 hours at a minimum. This phone DID NOT die immediately. It actually just got worse over time. I should have dried it for about half a week I'm thinking. Remember, it's not really the water that does the damage to the circuitry. It's the electricity that is running though the water and shorting out components. Water seeping into the display probably isn't good in general but just trying to make a point. Initially it was only the home button that was malfunctioning (registering as being pressed the whole time). Screen was fine and everything. Then it had problems turning on. Hours later, when it did turn on, the screen was going. Hours after that, the screen would not turn on at all.

    Please like the video and subscribe so my wife doesn't kill me...


    **ADDED**

    Underwater wireless charging :). Explains where the water probably came from and demonstrates the failure.


    4777d1399430090-%5Bvideo%5D-samsung-galaxy-s5-water-damage-watch-death-murmor-s5_qi_receiver.jpg


    The S4 Active actually has a snap in the center of the device. Your S5 does not. Just a random tidbit.
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    Why would anyone be surprised about this outcome. Pretty expensive lab experiment too. That had fail written all over it using a 3rd party device like that. I would not try underwater video even with the stock phone. I think the intention of making this phone IP67 rated was more for the accidental toilet, sink, pool drop, etc. If you want to do underwater video I would suggest getting a GoPro.
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    The oem cover is only good if you don't intend to use a case, there is quite a small percentages that don't use cases, and many case manufacture won't make one case in two size to accommodate the two sizes of covers.


    This is probably the first phone to support wireless charging with IP67.

    ---------- Post added at 01:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------

    Next time only do a water test for your own benefit, and not for the forum, it's too costly.:fingers-crossed:
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    So you added thickness to the back cover using the qi receiver and say the phone is water damaged. Why didn't you test it with the official samsung qi enabled back cover?
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    I believe the S5 Qi OEM cover will not make the phone thicker. Here is the link and quote for the S5 cover:
    http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CG900IBUSTA


    Contrast this to Samsung's listing of the S4 cover:
    http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-CI950IWUSTA


    The S4 listing makes it very clear that it adds bulk, while the S5 listing says it maintains the original slim 'style'.

    I have ordered a oem Qi S5 cover. I'll post when I get it if there are issues (but since I am in Canada and have ordered from US, I suspect that I will be late to the party and we will have the answer already).

    The cover is already out and folks here have them. It makes the phone thicker.