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ipmanwck

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low light is one of the most important bits,,, every phone even some 5 mp with loads of light in outdoor can take great pictures,,, but most of these phones are crap inside the house... that's where LG is winning... well,,, i hope so, 2 weeks before i get my hands on

Pocket Now disagree. Z2 seems to be best camera at present. Prob cancel my order. Waiting for Darn MKBHD review !!

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lg isnt winning anything in the low light picture war. NOKIA is. i havent tried the g3 myself but my lumia 920 wipes the floor with my g2 in daylight and low light photos.
 
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If you want good results in low light, buy a digital camera, not a phone! :p

The age of compact digital cameras is slowly fading away due to the advancement in mobile phone camera tech. Sony use the same lens which is in their own compact cameras so other companies will no doubt compete in this area. Just go to any even and see how many people pull our compact cameras to take a pic or phones ? No one wants to carry around a compact camera anymore.

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Those people take noisy night pics with their cheap digital cameras.

To have good low light performance, a big sensor is needed, and smartphones STILL dont have it!
 

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low light is one of the most important bits,,, every phone even some 5 mp with loads of light in outdoor can take great pictures,,, but most of these phones are crap inside the house... that's where LG is winning... well,,, i hope so, 2 weeks before i get my hands on
LG G3 looks like the same watercolor indoor some test pics points out. The watercoloring cones a bit later than G2 but it's still the same. LG like en denoice [emoji1] It's down to physics, you need more light, bigger pixels to be able to take a good pic indoor.

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LG G3 looks like the same watercolor indoor some test pics points out. The watercoloring cones a bit later than G2 but it's still the same. LG like en denoice [emoji1] It's down to physics, you need more light, bigger pixels to be able to take a good pic indoor.

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I agree. Waiting for the review from MKBHD before I decide to cancel or not. Camera is same unit as g2 so won't be much improvement in low light.

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Yes, but the problem is the camera.apk has no option to select that setting. Its a new camera app, not like the G2 / G Pro 2 one. Trust me on this, I have the G3 F400 and I can;t set 60fps 1080p. Unless its hidden from the settings menu.

is there a way to make the white balance adjustable or is that a pipe dream?
 

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is there a way to make the white balance adjustable or is that a pipe dream?

Not only is it not available in the default camera but I'll stick my neck out and say LG will have locked out the White Balance, Exposure compensation and ISO in apps such as 'Camera FV-5' and 'A Better Camera'.
These apps need the data present and if it's not showing you can not alter it.
This happened when Sony locked out ISO to all other camera apps.
 
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If those elements as ISO, white balance ect are blocked LG G3 is big NO for me.

It seems nobody can build great phone in 2014, what a weird year.
 

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Not only is it not available in the default camera but I'll stick my neck out and say LG will have locked out the White Balance, Exposure compensation and ISO in apps such as 'Camera FV-5' and 'A Better Camera'.
These apps need the data present and if it's not showing you can not alter it.
This happened when Sony locked out ISO to all other camera apps.

They may be to get the camera app settings unlocked they already set 1080p 60 frame recording etc
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    The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.

    In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.

    Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.

    Photographer here -- unfortunately, in low light with ANY smartphone you'll have difficulty capturing a moving object. With low light, you require a longer shutter speed, and depending on how fast the object is moving, you're guaranteed to have blur. Whether your phone is hand held or on a tripod does not matter -- the motion is relative to the camera, not the camera itself.

    In low light to be able to effectively capture a moving object with no blur you will need a large sensor camera (e.g. DSLR APS-C or m4/3) and fast (large aperture) lens. Smartphones have small sensors and can't capture as much light which therefore requires lengthening the shutter speed to allow enough light in to expose the scene properly. Similarly, they can't use higher ISO (sensitivity) to keep the shutter speed short either due to having excessive noise at comparable ISO levels.

    The exception to this is a good flash. With a good flash you can use a faster shutter speed and be able to "freeze motion" better. Of course, the flashes on phones are underpowered and will only help you out if you're reasonably close to whatever you're trying to capture.

    Just to give some examples, in lower light situations small sensor cameras pretty much have to use a 1/30s or longer shutter speed. Any object that's moving faster than a snail's pace will therefore have blur. On the other hand, with a large sensor camera and fast lens, you can realistically increase your ISO to say 6400 if you have a fast moving object and set your shutter speed to 1/200s and fire away.

    Another issue is that we really don't have effective control over shutter speed on smartphones. Hopefully this will come eventually with Android's new API (along with RAW support). Sure, most people don't know how to shoot in manual mode but for those who do it's very helpful. I believe many phone manufacturers include a "sports" or "action" mode that will prioritize shutter speed over ISO (and no idea if the G2 has a similar mode), but still there's only so much it can do with a small sensor in a situation where the physics just aren't in its favor. Smartphones are great in good light, but if low light is a priority, a dedicated camera is the only solution.
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    lg isnt winning anything in the low light picture war. NOKIA is. i havent tried the g3 myself but my lumia 920 wipes the floor with my g2 in daylight and low light photos.

    If i had to use a windows phone to get a good camera i would not have a camera

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    Of course, glad to hear it was understandable.

    With all that said, what do I think of the G3's camera so far? Well first off, OIS is critical when you're not shooting outdoors and not using a tripod (due to the shutter speeds as I explained above). No other Android flagship has OIS which is quite a shame, so based on that the G3 is already starting ahead of the pack. The benefit of this is clearly demonstrated in PhoneArena's samples compared to the Galaxy S5. Due to the indoor lighting, the S5's shots appear to lack detail because of the blur induced by a long shutter speed that's not stabilized optically. Meanwhile, the G3's are tack sharp. Their samples are more of a "real world" demonstration compared to many smartphone camera reviews where they have the indoors shots stabilized on a tripod. Having the phones on a tripod eliminates the reviewer's shaky hands from affecting results, but it also hides the necessity of OIS for low light photos. 99% of the time we're not using a tripod with our smartphones.

    From samples I've seen so far, LG appears to have gotten their software processing down pretty well -- way better than the G2. White balance and exposure seem to be handled well, and photos seem to have better saturation than the G2.

    The G3 also appears to have a wider angle lens than the S5, and I appreciate that its sensor is 4:3 rather than 16:9. 16:9 may fill up your entire screen when framing the shot, but if shooting in landscape mode you're really losing out on vertical height (and vice versa if oriented in portrait you're not getting much horizontally). The G3 without a doubt fits more into the frame due to both the lens angle and 4:3 aspect ratio.

    With the OIS and good software processing, at this point the G3's camera looks to be the most promising of any Android device. I'll wait for more samples to make a firm conclusion, but again, the G3 is more compelling than anything else right now.

    Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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    Ref the manual control of White Balance, Exposure & ISO
    I have heard back from one of our members who at my request kindly installed Camera FV-5 on his G3.
    It is confirmed both WB and Exposure work fine with third-party camera apps.
    ISO however remains locked out.
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    My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
    1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
    2. No practical use in daylight.
    3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
    4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.

    These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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