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19th July 2020, 03:38 PM |#12241  
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Originally Posted by DiamondJohn

I think he is talking about the source code for things like the boot loader, modem, and each individual component, which normally comes as pre-compiled blobs (or flashed separate to the ROM for bootloader and modem). ie the proprietary stuff. Android is OS, but the devices for the components drivers are normally not.

I had a suspicion that is what they meant but didn't want to assume.

In this case, they probably won't find what they are looking for.

And, again, if they know about modifying android source code, they would know that what they are asking about pertains to proprietary/closed-source software code.

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Thanks, but do essential or pixel have driver sources opensourced? Or can I get any phone with driver sources so I can edit them.



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19th July 2020, 04:15 PM |#12242  
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Mate, there are like hundreds or thousands of smartphones with those specs. Input those specs into GSMarena and pick your favorite.

Well yes, but that is my problem, there are so many of them
19th July 2020, 07:09 PM |#12243  
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Well yes, but that is my problem, there are so many of them

Narrow your choices down based on the purposes you will be using the device for. Things like CPU, RAM and GPU will play a large part in whether the device can reasonably perform under the conditions that you will be using it. If you do a lot of multitasking or using a lot of social media, you need more RAM and a reasonably fast CPU, if you will not be doing a lot of multitasking or using a lot of social media, RAM may not be an issue for you. If you will be playing high quality hardware intensive games, you need a high performance CPU and GPU. If you use wired headphones/earbuds, you need a device that has a headphone jack. If you want to use expandable storage, you need a device that has an external sdcard slot. If you use OTG, you need a device that supports OTG. If you will be using it a lot for long hours, you need more battery capacity. If you plan on using the device for 3 or more years, you may need a device that has removable/replaceable battery. Etc..etc.

In other words, take into consideration, the other types of hardware/software that you might have a need or want to interface with or use along with your device at some point.

There are also other factors to consider, such as, whether the device is well supported by the manufacturer with updates or with the availability to download the stock firmware in case you need to flash/repair the device or just all around good customer support/relations. These factors are actually more important than price point and hardware specs. What is the point of getting a device that has awesome hardware at a cheap price if the manufacturer does not support the device at all or does not make the stock firmware/stock source available? Choose something from a manufacturer or brand that is known for good hardware, software and customer support, don't be suckered into buying a device just because it has awesome specs at a decent price. All of the cheaper hardware devices with high specs are usually not supported by their manufacturer because of several factors:

1) they know the devices are crap and will inevitably have some kind of hardware/software issues so they don't support the devices because they don't want to cut into their profit, they know they wouldn't be able to afford the costs of repairs/replacements.

2) some manufacturers of cheap hardware devices use components from whoever they can source them from, in some cases, this means that some models of devices they build can have the exact same motherboard but the components/chips on those motherboards may vary, even though it is "supposed" to be the "same" device. This means that there is not a "uniform" stock firmware for all of the motherboard/component variations, they may have several different firmware versions, one for each motherboard/component variant of the exact "same" model number/device, making it impossible to have "one" firmware that all owners of that "model" can use. They do not offer hardware/software support for these devices with the "variations" of firmware because they know that the average user could very easily think they were using the correct firmware for their model number/device but could actually be using the wrong firmware variant for their specific hardware/component variant of that "model" number. Depending on the difference in the components between each variant of that motherboard, using the wrong variant of firmware leads to a bricked device, therefore, they offer no support so they don't have to be responsible for anything that may go wrong.

3) in some cases, a company will have ownership/trade rights to a certain motherboard/component design along with ownership of the source code/stock firmware for that specific motherboard/component design and they will allow other companies the "use" of their hardware/software to make devices for themselves, but not ownership of their design. In these cases, these outside companies/manufacturers using that motherboard/component design will each be offering a device with their own name and they may even look different on the outside with slight variations on placement of external hardware buttons and external ports/jacks, but they will all essentially be the exact same device. These companies can use the design, but they can not offer hardware or software support because they do not own the hardware/software themselves.

As far as chips go, always remember this rule and you won't be sorry. Japanese chips tend to be better than Chinese chips due to Japanese/Japanese-owned companies using higher quality materials and higher manufacturing standards, in most cases. So, when choosing a device, it tends to be a good idea to stay away from devices that are mostly chinese chips, even those that may have a Japanese CPU with most of the other chips being chinese. Do that and you will be giving yourself the best chance for a product that works well and lasts.



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20th July 2020, 01:15 PM |#12244  
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Hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and I think I need some help.

Here are some of my considerations I can currently think of:

1. Not from a Chinese company, for security and privacy reasons.
2. Good roms and xda developer support. My last phone was Sony Xperia XZs, and there are few roms that I could try. On the contrary, the phone I got before that was Xperia SP and there are lots of roms support even multiple years after its release. So this time I want to avoid this problem. This is my main consideration (I know Pixel phones fit this the best but I want to see if there's any other options as mentioned below).
3. Not from Sony. After getting 2 from Sony I want to try a different taste.
4. Good if it can be a popular phone, so purchasing it and getting it fixed won't be a problem. I have considered Pixel but there's not many people using it here in Taiwan so I want to see if there's some other options.

After googling myself and narrowing down I believe Samsung offer some options that fit my specifications, but I'm not sure which models are the best and whether there are other companies satisfying my need. Currently the acceptable range of price is quite broad so I'll accept everything for now and pick one later. Can anyone provide some advice? thank you!
20th July 2020, 03:01 PM |#12245  
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Originally Posted by DiamondJohn

I think he is talking about the source code for things like the boot loader, modem, and each individual component, which normally comes as pre-compiled blobs (or flashed separate to the ROM for bootloader and modem). ie the proprietary stuff. Android is OS, but the devices for the components drivers are normally not.

Yes basically I was talking about that. There are 3 parts of it so the firmware inside the chips of the modules which is low level and flashable only once, then the driver that is always proprietary from what I seen and then the android OS which is opensource but it makes no sense until I control the drivers.
You do not install proprietary bs on your linux server, why do I wanna have these drivers on my AOSP rom? But without them phone wont work obviously.

I just hope such device exists, like even if not as concept, but like anybody leaked the sourcecode of those, so I can do edits to the drivers or check them, compile and flash them instead what I am offered (precompiled blobs).

Drioidviren, bro you are too arrogant I just wanna device name if such exist, no any lectures, thanks.
20th July 2020, 09:33 PM |#12246  
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Yes basically I was talking about that. There are 3 parts of it so the firmware inside the chips of the modules which is low level and flashable only once, then the driver that is always proprietary from what I seen and then the android OS which is opensource but it makes no sense until I control the drivers.

You do not install proprietary bs on your linux server, why do I wanna have these drivers on my AOSP rom? But without them phone wont work obviously.



I just hope such device exists, like even if not as concept, but like anybody leaked the sourcecode of those, so I can do edits to the drivers or check them, compile and flash them instead what I am offered (precompiled blobs).



Drioidviren, bro you are too arrogant I just wanna device name if such exist, no any lectures, thanks.

What applies to PC hardware does not work the same as what applies to android devices. PC hardware and software are generally not proprietarily controlled to the extent that android hardware and software are. It's all about attempting to control what you can and can't install on the device and how you can or can't install it. On PC, you can install whatever you want, when you want and you can install them using any of a dozen or more methods. There is no need to be as specific about hardware/software combinations.

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21st July 2020, 06:59 PM |#12247  
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Is there anymore any phone with dual active sim? Last phone I know that had a dual sim in active mode was Honor 8 (lte+3g). I need a new phone, but dual active is a must (when I talk through sim1 and someone is calling me on sim2 I need to hear it). Is there any phone for businessman? I don't want to carry two phones nor do I want to use a watch for talking.

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22nd July 2020, 07:15 AM |#12248  
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Is there anymore any phone with dual active sim? Last phone I know that had a dual sim in active mode was Honor 8 (lte+3g). I need a new phone, but dual active is a must (when I talk through sim1 and someone is calling me on sim2 I need to hear it). Is there any phone for businessman? I don't want to carry two phones nor do I want to use a watch for talking.

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Sorry to disappoint, but no. There isn't one. Not a new one at least in 3-4 years.
23rd July 2020, 06:08 PM |#12249  
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Ex Nexus 4, 5, 6, 6P Owner, seeking next device
So yes, I've been thru most of the Nexus-es, my 6P then died (random power off at anything under 60% power), Google refunded and bought two Huawei/Honor phones for me and the missus.
Roll on today and I'm fed up of the Huawei spin on Android and aggressive power management that kills Bluetooth connected devices such as Fitbit that disappears and won't reconnect unless you remove/re-add.
I'm now looking for a 6" ish Screen device that either has Google/Plain Android or is easy to install the same on. 6GB min, 64GB min, SD card friendly, WiFi AC. semi decent back/front cameras. Fingerprint scanner (back/front).
23rd July 2020, 06:38 PM |#12250  
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So yes, I've been thru most of the Nexus-es, my 6P then died (random power off at anything under 60% power), Google refunded and bought two Huawei/Honor phones for me and the missus.
Roll on today and I'm fed up of the Huawei spin on Android and aggressive power management that kills Bluetooth connected devices such as Fitbit that disappears and won't reconnect unless you remove/re-add.
I'm now looking for a 6" ish Screen device that either has Google/Plain Android or is easy to install the same on. 6GB min, 64GB min, SD card friendly, WiFi AC. semi decent back/front cameras. Fingerprint scanner (back/front).

Go with xiaomi then. I ve got a Xiaomi Note 8 Pro. For that price you do get a bit of ads, which you can disable in 3 min. Very good specs, good camera, upcoming miui 12 does brings some very good features. Doesn't have such aggressive battery management. Do recommend using a custom launcher, in order to get that vanilla vibe.
25th July 2020, 12:17 AM |#12251  
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Next Phone? current Huawei Honor 5 (BNDL34)
Sorry, have a few questions:
1) us based, GSM (AT&T).
2) budget $200-600
3) needs to have a Memory card slot
4) would like 5G (capable), but is a nice, not must have
5) Current phone: rooted, to eliminate AT&T's hotspot restrictions.

Past phones and comments
Motorola G4 Plus : could not hotspot out of box, even though unlocked very annoying.
Asus Zenphone 3: looked nice didn't last.

Huawei Honor 5
Has worked like a pro, except now getting long in the tooth:
Front /bottom of case now is pulling away from the body.
Also, can no longer answer phone except through speaker.

Need to get it in the next week or so, since I can't verify how long this will continue to last.

SO: I've been looking at the
oneplus nord. (doesn't seem to be actually available until mid-august?)
Motorola G Stylus (my wife wont let me unlock her Galaxy 9 Note, but like the stylus!)

anything else in the mix I should also look at?

Key concerns again:
ease of using hotspot.
getting a good case (I've given up on otterbox, as I believe quality has declined greatly since the Galaxy S5 version
cost
memory card -- CANNOT sacrifice this!!!
amount of RAM/storage built in
ease of rooting.

THanks in advance
Markb formerly of NJ
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