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By js22, Member on 29th March 2011, 09:47 AM
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29th March 2011, 08:38 PM |#11  
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Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.

Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?

How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?

One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.

I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.

Odin, Heimdall and all of the various ROMs, kernels modems and whatnot linked in messages in XDA forums share the same safety mechanism - the XDA community. If one of the popular ROMs was crashing phones there would be shouting in all the forums about it. So that wouldn't work at all. What we need to watch for are more subtle attacks like botnet sleepers in the ROMs or something else gathering user data and passing it along for more sinister uses than Google's usual data gathering.
 
 
29th March 2011, 08:57 PM |#12  
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Originally Posted by js22

Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.

Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?

How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?

One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.

I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.

the same logic could be used for any program for any operating system.
i remember over a decade ago when i was just a kid getting a virus from a fake edonkey download. viruses can be anything...

and viruses are not specific to windows (microsoft), its just the most likely OS viruses will come accross, so to do maximum damage it is written for that OS. just because you dont run windows doesnt mean you CANT get viruses, it just means there are less written for your OS.

ASIDE from that....
there is the Odin flashing program
and the Odin One click downloader. (2.1 ONLY)
2 programs both from samsung.
Safe place to get them??? HERE ON XDA!!! (the place you learned about them.. huh)
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29th March 2011, 10:23 PM |#13  
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the same logic could be used for any program for any operating system.
i remember over a decade ago when i was just a kid getting a virus from a fake edonkey download. viruses can be anything...

and viruses are not specific to windows (microsoft), its just the most likely OS viruses will come accross, so to do maximum damage it is written for that OS. just because you dont run windows doesnt mean you CANT get viruses, it just means there are less written for your OS.

Had a coworker that loved Apple products like a religion once. Dude would go through all the talking points that he culled from tv commercicals with me daily about how PC's are rife with viruses and it's impossible for a mac to get one. He never gave me a solid reason for why it's impossible, other than "because you would have to compile it yourself (for some unknown reason)".
29th March 2011, 10:54 PM |#14  
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yeah the whole mac doesnt get viruses thing is simply based off the fact that macs rarely get viruses, the reason for that is explained above. the system may be more secure (or maybe it's not, if it isn't they wouldn't let you know that) you can't prevent downloading a file that you tell the computer to download. no computer system knows it's a virus before it is running on the computer. they can give warnings about file extensions but it really doesnt prevent anything.

mac users are either very knowledgeable and familiar with terminal but prefer mac for some reason, maybe a particular software package they want to run that isn't available on linux. or maybe they dont want the hassle of compiling from source, or some of the installation meathods you see in linux software that is not in the repositories associated with the distrobution.

they may do some type of editing to video or audio and run a software package not available on linux and that doesnt run as well on windows. ive seen that.

or they are people that are led by media who either believe the hype. or are trying to make some kind of statment.

with user friendly linux disrtos like ubuntu and mint there is little advantage to mac unless you have a specific software package you plan to run and linux isn't one of your options. but people are afraid of linux. mac seems more friendly even if the ui completely sux, i guess the ui prevents unskilled users from flooding the screen with windows by opening more when you click the icon, thus keeping things clean but i personally hate it with a passion!
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30th March 2011, 12:42 AM |#15  
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It's impossible to check anything software before you use it. Odin is actually from samfirmware.com which is a trustable site to get Samsung ROMS. And Odin itself is a Samsung software. After long time usage it's reliable (and improving reliability with newer version).

Also from my experience with old Moto phones and HTC phones, all the flashing program are like Odin. Nothing really surprised me when I started using it.

Pit, BL(boot.bin, Sbl.bin) is not related to Odin, it's inside the ROM package, usually is PDA.

I would trust Odin more because it's from the manufacture. Also my friend from i900 told me they use Odin too. So it seems Odin is Samsung's standard firmware writing tool.

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Originally Posted by js22

Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.

Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?

How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?

One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.

I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.

30th March 2011, 10:42 AM |#16  
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Will Odin work on any brand phone, or is it specific to Samsung?

Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about yet using XDA App
30th March 2011, 11:21 AM |#17  
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Had a coworker that loved Apple products like a religion once. Dude would go through all the talking points that he culled from tv commercicals with me daily about how PC's are rife with viruses and it's impossible for a mac to get one. He never gave me a solid reason for why it's impossible, other than "because you would have to compile it yourself (for some unknown reason)".

Next time your talking to him tell him OSX is just FREEBSD (version 5.xx, its an old version) with a gui change, that he paid for

That should create a nice debate for you!

Although you can make any Linux distro resemble OSX in about 2 minutes, and most mac users wouldn't know the difference.
30th March 2011, 11:30 AM |#18  
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Will Odin work on any brand phone, or is it specific to Samsung?

Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about yet using XDA App

As far as I know its for Samsung only. I use it on My GF's Samsung Spica as well!
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3rd April 2011, 03:53 AM |#19  
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i just convinced myself that it came from a magical land, so i wouldnt be scared of screwing my phone with a program with such a shady background
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4th April 2011, 12:22 AM |#20  
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i just convinced myself that it came from a magical land, so i wouldnt be scared of screwing my phone with a program with such a shady background

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I actually learned something reading this thread.
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Is it legal ?
Is Odin a copywrited software ? Are we suppose to use it ? is it Legal?
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