Ex-HTC Flagships - Mega Tech Discussion Thread

Chad_Petree · May 15, 2019

liam_davenport said:
Price is a lot but for what they offer it a good deal imo. Essentially when S10+ is £899 with Exynos [emoji23] I'd still rather have the OP7 Pro for £650.

For now I'm on the fence. If it's confirmed they improved the DAC I'm in, if not I'm not interested.

650 Eur would have been a fair price on my opinion. Since they have a OnePlus 7, which is basically a rehash of the 6t with upgraded internals, a 6ts I'd you will and a OnePlus 7 pro I wonder if they will bring out a 7t/ 7t pro on November, I think like they don't need to this year, but we'll see.

I hope other manufacturers copy the display, how is Google even going to compete with OnePlus now? I think the pixel 4 will be disappointing, probably the best feature they'll have is am improved night side working as the default mode. They'll probably go with 6 gb of ram and a design that looks like the Galaxy se but with way thicker bezels.

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Large Hadron · May 15, 2019

As Google tend to go for the start of the year's designs for the large handset and the previous year's designs for the small one I'd guess a sizeable notch for the 4 and a punch hole or teardrop for the 4XL

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high_voltage · May 15, 2019

liam_davenport said:
If OEM's supported liquid damage in their warranties I'd care for it but since they don't I don't need to pay an extra $30 for them to write water resistance on the box. To me it's wasted money I've used all my devices in the rain and they've never broke.

For me if OEM's are using glass wireless charging is a must! Since glass is weaker than metal so it's already a downgrade give use wireless charging so it feels more like a sidegrade.

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All devices using the Sony IMX 586 or Samsung ISOCELL GM1 are using 12mp pixel binning for a 1.6 micron pixel but do Note the Samsung GM1 isn't a true 48mp sensor while the Sony IMX is, Avoid devices with the Samsung sensor.

Yeah, because MP is all that matters. How you will backup your claim that the isocell gm1 is super bad to the point that it needs to be avoided? So funny, samsung sensors are great from years and on par with sony's. Their exynos ISP is another story and what leads to subpar results no matter the sensor (current generation, the previous ones the ISP in exynos/sd was comparable).

hamdir · May 15, 2019

everyone is being a little silly, its a Samsung made display and most surely OnePlus just grabbed it, its not custom made for them

we will see it on the Note 10 maybe

so all these wishes for other OEMs to adopt are making no sense, if Samsung made it, Samsung will beat it on their next phones like they did the iPhone X

hamdir · May 15, 2019

high_voltage said:
Yeah, because MP is all that matters. How you will backup your claim that the isocell gm1 is super bad to the point that it needs to be avoided? So funny, samsung sensors are great from years and on par with sony's. Their exynos ISP is another story and what leads to subpar results no matter the sensor (current generation, the previous ones the ISP in exynos/sd was comparable).

its moot though since the ISP is linked to the sensor usually, ISOCell matched to Exynos and IMX matched to Snapdragon

ijuanp03 · May 15, 2019

hamdir said:
so your settings bypass the bugs?

Yes. I'm using this with my U12+ and it works flawlessly. XDA recently updated the app so I'm not sure if that's the reason why I don't experience any bugs now.

high_voltage · May 15, 2019

hamdir said:
its moot though since the ISP is linked to the sensor usually, ISOCell matched to Exynos and IMX matched to Snapdragon

True, when I got my exynos S7 edge I was hoping that it will be with isocell sensors. It was and the pictures were/are good (- the samsung processing ofc). The note 9 is the same deal , exynos - isocell and the pictures are good.

liam_davenport · May 15, 2019

Core Google smartphone apps to include adverts for first time

Not good news...

Chad_Petree · May 15, 2019

hamdir said:
everyone is being a little silly, its a Samsung made display and most surely OnePlus just grabbed it, its not custom made for them

we will see it on the Note 10 maybe

so all these wishes for other OEMs to adopt are making no sense, if Samsung made it, Samsung will beat it on their next phones like they did the iPhone X

But Samsung has done custom panels before, like the panels for the iPhone x, I cannot imagine them letting OnePlus use their panel before they used it on their flagship.

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Large Hadron · May 15, 2019

liam_davenport said:
Core Google smartphone apps to include adverts for first time

Not good news...

Indeed. Personally I disable the Google app (yeah, I don't use Assistant at all), have alterative map apps, don't use the GMail, Calendar, Messages apps, so it may not affect me so much, but it's definitely unwelcome.

liam_davenport · May 15, 2019

Large Hadron said:
Indeed. Personally I disable the Google app (yeah, I don't use Assistant at all), have alterative map apps, don't use the GMail, Calendar, Messages apps, so it may not affect me so much, but it's definitely unwelcome.

Yep I use AOSP with MicroG so not a problem for me either but I wish it didn't come to this.. No doubt to reclaim losses on Pixel and it's lawsuits each device...

Wildclip · May 15, 2019

jmitr said:
I think you either misread or misunderstood my post. Or, had a typo on yours!

The S10 series launched with Pie, of course they're getting Q, and whatever comes after. The S9 will get Q. Samsung follows Googles guidelines and gives 2 years of system updates and 3 years of security updates.

Essential launched in Aug, 2017 with Android 7.1.1 It was updated to 8.0, It got 9.0 (pie) February 2018 and is on the beta program for Q.

I highly doubt any HTC phones will get updated after this, they are done with phones. The U11+ SHOULD get Q, but will not. I highly doubt the U12+ will either. Their software support has fallen off a cliff.

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The U11 and the U11+ both released in 2017. Why should one receive Q over the other? The U12+ should get Q. The S8 that released at the same time as the U11 barely got Pie.

You are comparing old HTC phones to new Samsung phones that just got released this year. How is that a far comparison?

We all knew the essential phone was going to get better updates, they even release faster than Google sometimes.

We know support feel off a cliff after Moversi left, but let's see what happens after we get Pie.

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onemanbamafan · May 15, 2019

liam_davenport said:
Yep I use AOSP with MicroG so not a problem for me either but I wish it didn't come to this.. No doubt to reclaim losses on Pixel and it's lawsuits each device...

What is AOSP and MicroG and is this something I should consider using?

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jmitr · May 15, 2019

Just plain wow, maybe read Google's own minimum support guidelines.

The U Ultra was released March 2017 with 7.0 It recieved the 8.0 update Jan 2019 It is no longer updated.

The U11 was released May 2017 with 7.1 It recieved the 8.0 update Jan 2019 and is now set for 9.0 "mid June 2019"

The U11+ was released December 2017 with Android 8.0. It will receive 9.0 Pie scheduled "late June 2019"

The U12+ was released June 2018 with Android 8.0 It is also scheduled for 9.0 June 2019.

For reference, the Essential launched August 2017 on Android 7.1.1 updated to 8.0 November 2017, then 8.1, then 9.0 February 2018. It is now available for the Q beta.

The U Ultra usues the SD820, same as the Pixel / Pixel XL. So bsp support is NO ISSUE, and 9.0 was released within 2 years of the U Ultra so NO EXCUSE

The U11+ shares Pixel 2 DNA (actually, Pixel2xl but you get the point). NO EXCUSE to not get Q.

The U11 has the SD835, also no excuses for Q but I didn't bold that as technically it is getting 2 years / 2 major Android versions of support. Still, perfectly capable of running Q except maybe the lack of treble is an issue. Don't hold your breath for another year of security updates.

The U12+ should get Q, and security updates until June 2021. Not holding my breath!

Because you are a YEAR behind updates (17 months behind Google and Essential) doesn't mean you can pat yourself on the back and say "see that's 2 years of support".

I shouldn't have used the 10 series (Samsung) as an example. But, people who defend HTC's update record (especially using the "old" phone excuse) are the reason I have given up on this brand. If HTC is actually listening to their fans or former fans it is probably the wrong ones.

Bye Bye HTC. I spend enough money on my phones I expect the support I paid for as well.

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Wildclip · May 15, 2019

I don't see anywhere where HTC has published their Android Q update list, have you? Maybe you can link me to that because you seem to be making assumptions based on what you think is going to happen.

The S8 updates for Pie rolled out in April. HTC already said that the U11 is due at the end of May.

The situation with the U Ultra isn't ideal, but they probably looked at the numbers sold and decided it wasn't worth supporting. I've seen other companies do this too.

I don't know what you want to say, if you want fast support, get a Pixel. Even Samsung lags with updates.

Unfortunately for the Essential it has a bad camera with T-Mobile band issues

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jmitr · May 16, 2019

I'm not going to continue arguing about HTC and their support. It is abysmal and a sign the Company is slowly leaving the Smartphone market. When they return they will have a hard time convincing old fans to come back.

I have had an HTC since this forum (XDA) was created, the U11+ is my last.

Samsung may be late with updates, the S8 here in Canada recieved Pie April 1st. In the mean time the S7 still gets security updates. The S8 will as well. You can be guaranteed 2 major software updates with them.

I don't care about timely updates, I care about stable updates. But, obviously HTC only recently started working on Pie. Sorry, that's pathetic.

The U11+ advertised as a flagship device in December 2017 hasn't recieved any updates in most regions since then. Some regions recieved various security and bug fix updates since then but others have lived with those bugs for 17 months. Late june is advertised as the start, with certain carrier and REGION restrictions. Sorry that's utter BS.

As for the Essential, works great here in Canada, worked great roaming across NAM, and with Gcam the camera is actually pretty good. The stock camera with all the latest updates is no slouch either, but Gcam definitely beats it. I have said it many times. If HTC wants to learn how it can eventually make a comeback they should study OEMs like Essential. Excellent support and involved directly with the development community, and users.

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Chad_Petree · May 16, 2019

I just read this top 5 smartphone manufacturers (according to their sales Numbers) and I wonder if OnePlus sales are counted with oppo's sales, do you happen to know?View attachment 4759650

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high_voltage · May 16, 2019

liam_davenport said:
Core Google smartphone apps to include adverts for first time

Not good news...

Perfect, what we all wanted and waited for them to fix/add into android. It's the same thing like the lootboxes into our games (that started only in mobile games, then translated into some free PC games, then into AAA PC games that costs 60$ and now they are 100 times more aggressive and games are designed around them - even when the game is 80$ one). They will never stop, business cares only about money, executives cares only for their 12 million dollar bonus and step by step they present us more cr*p without giving us more. /angry rant

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Chad_Petree said:
But Samsung has done custom panels before, like the panels for the iPhone x, I cannot imagine them letting OnePlus use their panel before they used it on their flagship.

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It's already a fail - to have the option to manufacture 90Hz amoled screen and cheap enough for someone as oneplus to buy it from them and put it into sanely priced product, annd it's not into galaxy s10 and I bet could had come to note 9 (and even s9) too. This thing really makes a big big difference in smoothness/responsiveness and joy (not only in games). Yes, 90Hz is not 120, 144,200Hz, but it's far better than 60Hz.

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Wildclip said:
I don't see anywhere where HTC has published their Android Q update list, have you? Maybe you can link me to that because you seem to be making assumptions based on what you think is going to happen.

The S8 updates for Pie rolled out in April. HTC already said that the U11 is due at the end of May.

The situation with the U Ultra isn't ideal, but they probably looked at the numbers sold and decided it wasn't worth supporting. I've seen other companies do this too.

I don't know what you want to say, if you want fast support, get a Pixel. Even Samsung lags with updates.

Unfortunately for the Essential it has a bad camera with T-Mobile band issues

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Other companies? Apple? Samsung? Where is the example + it's their problem that X model didn't sold well, not mine as a customer. When I pay 800-1000 euro for a top end product, I expect the support to be included with it the same way it is with apple/samsung. Also lol, samsung behind? Only in new android versions as they heavily modify their UI and features, and actually put some sane mind into what they are doing with it = best UI in android by far. Security updates are good from years and from 1.5 years they are totally on point. Prove me wrong, I have two samsung devices, also iphone 6s that got betas, it's smooth as hell, latest security... in my work I come across iphone 5s too - yeah, from 2013 - full support, betas for new versions, improved with ios 12 big time. Essential - few units sold, really small company, maybe they won't last that long and their phone is supported as a pixel.

hamdir · May 16, 2019

high_voltage said:
Perfect, what we all wanted and waited for them to fix/add into android. It's the same thing like the lootboxes into our games (that started only in mobile games, then translated into some free PC games, then into AAA PC games that costs 60$ and now they are 100 times more aggressive and games are designed around them - even when the game is 80$ one). They will never stop, business cares only about money, executives cares only for their 12 million dollar bonus and step by step they present us more cr*p without giving us more. /angry rant

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It's already a fail - to have the option to manufacture 90Hz amoled screen and cheap enough for someone as oneplus to buy it from them and put it into sanely priced product, annd it's not into galaxy s10 and I bet could had come to note 9 (and even s9) too. This thing really makes a big big difference in smoothness/responsiveness and joy (not only in games). Yes, 90Hz is not 120, 144,200Hz, but it's far better than 60Hz.

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Other companies? Apple? Samsung? Where is the example + it's their problem that X model didn't sold well, not mine as a customer. When I pay 800-1000 euro for a top end product, I expect the support to be included with it the same way it is with apple/samsung. Also lol, samsung behind? Only in new android versions as they heavily modify their UI and features, and actually put some sane mind into what they are doing with it = best UI in android by far. Security updates are good from years and from 1.5 years they are totally on point. Prove me wrong, I have two samsung devices, also iphone 6s that got betas, it's smooth as hell, latest security... in my work I come across iphone 5s too - yeah, from 2013 - full support, betas for new versions, improved with ios 12 big time. Essential - few units sold, really small company, maybe they won't last that long and their phone is supported as a pixel.

You are all assuming Samsung cares about smoothness to begin with...their current struggle is to lock their stock launcher and animations to 60fps, this is why u don't see 90hz on Samsung the company still didn't reach that level of optimization but they are heading that way, huawei on the other hand is heading in the opposite direction

DeeZZ_NuuZZ · May 16, 2019

jmitr said:
Just plain wow, maybe read Google's own minimum support guidelines.

The U Ultra was released March 2017 with 7.0 It recieved the 8.0 update Jan 2019 It is no longer updated.

The U11 was released May 2017 with 7.1 It recieved the 8.0 update Jan 2019 and is now set for 9.0 "mid June 2019"

The U11+ was released December 2017 with Android 8.0. It will receive 9.0 Pie scheduled "late June 2019"

The U12+ was released June 2018 with Android 8.0 It is also scheduled for 9.0 June 2019.

For reference, the Essential launched August 2017 on Android 7.1.1 updated to 8.0 November 2017, then 8.1, then 9.0 February 2018. It is now available for the Q beta.

The U Ultra usues the SD820, same as the Pixel / Pixel XL. So bsp support is NO ISSUE, and 9.0 was released within 2 years of the U Ultra so NO EXCUSE

The U11+ shares Pixel 2 DNA (actually, Pixel2xl but you get the point). NO EXCUSE to not get Q.

The U11 has the SD835, also no excuses for Q but I didn't bold that as technically it is getting 2 years / 2 major Android versions of support. Still, perfectly capable of running Q except maybe the lack of treble is an issue. Don't hold your breath for another year of security updates.

The U12+ should get Q, and security updates until June 2021. Not holding my breath!

Because you are a YEAR behind updates (17 months behind Google and Essential) doesn't mean you can pat yourself on the back and say "see that's 2 years of support".

I shouldn't have used the 10 series (Samsung) as an example. But, people who defend HTC's update record (especially using the "old" phone excuse) are the reason I have given up on this brand. If HTC is actually listening to their fans or former fans it is probably the wrong ones.

Bye Bye HTC. I spend enough money on my phones I expect the support I paid for as well.

U11 is set to late May.
U ultra and u11+ were never intended to be flagship devices (even if they had the specs for that time).
Since HTC 10 doesn't get another update, the u ultra will neither get one.
All should know already, that there are barely any developers left for the phones.
So yea it's expected, that HTC struggles to get the updates ready (don't come with essential or so, they have just one device to maintain)

I won't really defend HTC anymore after this, but the facts are, that the main focus for HTC is now VR, 5G and blockchain and phones will be like a niche product of them. That's why they have barely any guys ready for the phones and that's why it takes much longer. (Exodus is another department, they have their own team working on it, that's why they have the security updates faster out for it, but the base rom will be the u12+)

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