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Fairphone - Technical details, links and Q&A interaction with Fairphone [26 Jul 2014]

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6th December 2013, 06:27 PM |#91  
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Hey guys! Sorry for the noob question. I ordered 2 fp, one for me and one for my sister who is going to live in Indonesia the next couple of month. So now the question arises whether the phone will work with Indonesia with a local sim and a German one?
Hope you can help me on this and thanks in advance!



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9th December 2013, 12:25 AM |#92  
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thanks for the Apps, but for porting an alternative OS to the Fairphone some other software would be more useful: A linux kernel for the fairphone (including all necessary modules and patches if necessary), a bootloader and some kind of tool to flash the phone with a new OS. Will those also be provided?

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Hey guys! Sorry for the noob question. I ordered 2 fp, one for me and one for my sister who is going to live in Indonesia the next couple of month. So now the question arises whether the phone will work with Indonesia with a local sim and a German one?
Hope you can help me on this and thanks in advance!



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@KimHansenDenmark and @joemier, if you have some spare time, please provide answers to @bwildenhain and @ElBarto1984. Thank you.
9th December 2013, 01:53 PM |#93  
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Great article of Replicant about Fairphone!
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10th December 2013, 03:33 PM |#94  
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Hello Kim,



thanks for the Apps, but for porting an alternative OS to the Fairphone some other software would be more useful: A linux kernel for the fairphone (including all necessary modules and patches if necessary), a bootloader and some kind of tool to flash the phone with a new OS. Will those also be provided?

Regards,
Benedikt

Hi Benedikt,

Unfortunately it is not possible to share the bootloader and linux kernel as they are from MediaTek. We are dependent on them releasing them or changing their license.

I hope they change their licensing policy in the near future.

Best,
Kim

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Hey guys! Sorry for the noob question. I ordered 2 fp, one for me and one for my sister who is going to live in Indonesia the next couple of month. So now the question arises whether the phone will work with Indonesia with a local sim and a German one?
Hope you can help me on this and thanks in advance!



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Hi ElBarto1984,

The dual sim cards should work independently of the country.

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Kim
10th December 2013, 05:00 PM |#95  
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Hi Benedikt,

Unfortunately it is not possible to share the bootloader and linux kernel as they are from MediaTek. We are dependent on them releasing them or changing their license.

I hope they change their licensing policy in the near future.

Best,
Kim

Hi Kim,

How will it then be possible to run Cyanogenmod or Firefox OS, when the developers do not get the needed driver code?
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Will there directly be an updat to Android 4.4 in January, after it's more then 4 weeks after the official update?

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Will there directly be an updat to Android 4.4 in January, after it's more then 4 weeks after the official update?

My question is, will you work with the community on the update, e.g. send out alphas for users and developers to test and help with development? I always had the dream that some company would do that haha. At least some have employees who participate in the forums here
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My question is, will you work with the community on the update, e.g. send out alphas for users and developers to test and help with development? I always had the dream that some company would do that haha. At least some have employees who participate in the forums here

Hi Unrelashade,

We will work directly on the GitHub repository from now on, so anyone can follow the progress and get the latest code. We welcome contributions from the community.

In regards to the KitKat version, our plan is to get it out as fast as possible, hopefully in January. However, this is not a promise as there are several dependencies that we have to deal with.

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meaningwhile I searched a little bit the net and found that the sourcecode for Android 4.2 on mt6589 has already been published: www DOT etdroid.org/shanzhai/2013/04/16/acer-releases-mt6589-kernel-source-ahead-of-liquid-e2-launch/
Also the source of Android 4.1.2 has been published for several phones: www DOT hacktohell.org/2013/07/mediatek-mt6589-complete-source.html

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Hi Benedikt,

Unfortunately it is not possible to share the bootloader and linux kernel as they are from MediaTek. We are dependent on them releasing them or changing their license.

So at least some customers of Mediatek received the sourcecode and published the code. Because the fact, that the GNU GPL is the licence of Linux and U-Boot (the bootloader probably used by the fairphone), Mediatek cannot disallow you to redistribute the source code (while you should include a written offer to give the source with the Fairphone , see gpl-violations.org/faq/vendor-faq.html).

Regards,
Benedikt

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Hi,

I just saw the Fairphone repository on github now includes the over-the-air-update-tool, which looks for a new system image at kwamecorp.com/dev/latest.zip, which currently points to kwamecorp.com/dev/W20_HL_OTA20131114.zip, so if you want to take a look an the image, it's there

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14th December 2013, 01:20 AM |#99  
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Unfortunately it is not possible to share the bootloader and linux kernel as they are from MediaTek.
We are dependent on them releasing them or changing their license.

This is actually really disillusioning. In nearly every tech news the Fairphone was presented as smartphone with open bootloader. Fairphone itself was unfortunately really close-minded concerning these points. They never explained what "rootable" really means.

The FAQ on fairphone.com states that the users "can decide for themselves which operating system they want to install after some hard coding."
I'm not (yet) an expert in these things. But am I right that the Fairphone will not fulfill this statement? Or can you explain what is meant by "some hard coding" and "rootable"?

After reading some critical comments here and here I'm really unsure. I ordered a Fairphone believing it would be indeed possible to decide for myself and not being dependent on the releases of FairphoneOS. If I was wrong in this point – and at the moment it looks that way – I will cancel my order.
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i totally agree with #bastei
we trusted and financed your company and project but turns out that you were not trustable....

hope you will find quickily a solution for this because it is a major issue.

i will try to delete my order too

isn't this misleading advertising?!

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14th December 2013, 06:56 PM |#101  
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Hi,

meaningwhile I searched a little bit the net and found that the sourcecode for Android 4.2 on mt6589 has already been published: www DOT etdroid.org/shanzhai/2013/04/16/acer-releases-mt6589-kernel-source-ahead-of-liquid-e2-launch/
Also the source of Android 4.1.2 has been published for several phones: www DOT hacktohell.org/2013/07/mediatek-mt6589-complete-source.html



So at least some customers of Mediatek received the sourcecode and published the code. Because the fact, that the GNU GPL is the licence of Linux and U-Boot (the bootloader probably used by the fairphone), Mediatek cannot disallow you to redistribute the source code (while you should include a written offer to give the source with the Fairphone , see gpl-violations.org/faq/vendor-faq.html).

Regards,
Benedikt

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Hi,

I just saw the Fairphone repository on github now includes the over-the-air-update-tool, which looks for a new system image at kwamecorp.com/dev/latest.zip, which currently points to kwamecorp.com/dev/W20_HL_OTA20131114.zip, so if you want to take a look an the image, it's there

Regards,
Benedikt

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This is actually really disillusioning. In nearly every tech news the Fairphone was presented as smartphone with open bootloader. Fairphone itself was unfortunately really close-minded concerning these points. They never explained what "rootable" really means.

The FAQ on fairphone.com states that the users "can decide for themselves which operating system they want to install after some hard coding."
I'm not (yet) an expert in these things. But am I right that the Fairphone will not fulfill this statement? Or can you explain what is meant by "some hard coding" and "rootable"?

After reading some critical comments here and here I'm really unsure. I ordered a Fairphone believing it would be indeed possible to decide for myself and not being dependent on the releases of FairphoneOS. If I was wrong in this point – and at the moment it looks that way – I will cancel my order.

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i totally agree with #bastei
we trusted and financed your company and project but turns out that you were not trustable....

hope you will find quickily a solution for this because it is a major issue.

i will try to delete my order too

isn't this misleading advertising?!

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Hey guys,

I also read the FAQs and found this sentence: "We are launching the phone with root access for the user (rootable), so they can decide for themselves which operating system they want to install after some hard coding."
After reading this, I would think about a switch in the security settings. And if I click that switch, let's call it "root access", than I have root access to the device. If it's not like this or smiliar to this, I see a big problem. And of course, if there is no open source, it will be hard to get a great community working on Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch or anything else.
In short and harsh: No source, no developers.

But I still believe, that Fariphone and Kwame really try to do their best to not only get a almost fair device, but also an open devices as good as possible. We can reject Fairphone or we try to help those guys. I think, the second way is the better one. Fairphone is not Samsung, so no anti-customer-rules like region lock, e-fuse or other bull**** included. This is a company, which can become a good manufacturer for phones, tablets and other wearables.

Thanks to @bwildenhain, @bastei and @the.lirius for your comments. I hope I can see more of those critical comments because they can be helpful. And I hope, Fairphone and Kwame will do their best to keep customers happy and developers motivated. It's up to them.
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