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By Ben Buchanan, Junior Member on 12th November 2003, 08:54 AM
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13th November 2003, 03:00 AM |#11  
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yea, but is there OCR for pda?? :?
 
 
13th November 2003, 07:12 AM |#12  
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> yea, but is there OCR for pda??

Someone is bound to be working on it somewhere... just checked Omnipage (now scansoft) they show mobile text-to-speech etc... so they are bound to port Omnipage eventually... perhaps if they aren't onto it yet then someone has just won themselves a job at Scansoft!... guess the main thing preventing it so far is that up until the XDA II the RAM and processor requirements were possibly limiting factors... although omnipage ran fine on a 486 DXII 66 so???
15th November 2003, 01:55 AM |#13  
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A few more thoughts for the XDA III+ Wishlist...

i) Improvement of pen digitiser over original XDA... pressure sensitivity to allow Fractal Painter type drawing.

ii) Again not yet sure what the XDA II has as a belt attachment clip but the XDA I case I got was much too bulky... the good part was the clip that was quick release but secure the rest of the time. So less bulk (may have already been solved).

[found a really good way to mount wearables that is comfortable and ideal for the centralisation of processing 'on the body' - The XDA and all other formfactors I've seen are way off base]

iii) I mentioned video out but better I/O all round is going to be the key to this becoming a good wearable [sic].

On the subject or wearables I have been trying to envisage life once 'augmented reality' is possible through having an inline screen on my glasses. Essentially a walkman/iPod is already augmented reality in the audio senses however I think this whole field is going to be able to be moved forward much further and could create a whole range of jobs for many web/tech workers who are currently feeling the pain after the dot.com bubble.

Firstly I was in the kitchen and imagined the information that could be made available when doing cooking or cleaning tasks... if the cameras had detection of other spectrums beyond that of our eye we could perhaps view where the bench needed cleaning most or when pots can detect the properties of food reporting things like 'too sweet' - 'just right' etc... there is also the standard stuff like bringing up iTV video of recipies being prepared and also I realised warning lights and those sort of things become less necessary on devices since if one looked at the kettle it could simply show a status with the words 'on' or 'hot' or 'off' etc... above it. Of course this would either need the recognition of the kettle or some way to know where the kettle was in relation to the user but the possibilities are there and potentially [definitely] life improving.

I also remembered where I had seen the camera on the bridge of the glasses before... it was in Mission Impossible when Ethan Hawke showed that Jim was still alive in the train and at some time earlier in the movie was used too [have moved to stereo - bridge now houses other things]. I was thinking of uses for this sort of eyewear too when I was on a bushwalk yesterday and climbed up onto a cliff overlooking the interior of the gorge but still within it. I really wanted to know what was behind the next hill and thought that with digital terrain modelling if I had been able to see an overlay semi-tranparent picture (augmented reality) of the view 'through' the hill it would have made my sight-seeing all the more enjoyable. I also thought as it was dense bush climbing up the hill that it would be cool to have the gyro/compass on the headset provide bearing data across the top of the virtual screen (of course GPS could do the same but perhaps not perfectly in real-time) and track markers could also pop up [found out these are not really necessary] when and where the path changed. It would be neat also for recognising features as one passed through the geography, telling the history of the place in the period one wanted to know about or providing details of the local amenities upon demand/command. In any case the need for the eyewear is enormous and would render most screens obsolete... or provide a screen wherever one wants one like wherever a picture frame is a different picture could be provided for each viewer, etc... (Bill Gates ought to like this because he owns the digital rights to many pieces of art - give me a call Bill :) ).

I also thought that the eyewear with knowledge of its location removes the need for holographic projection since if several people were looking at the same 'virtual object' through their eyewear then it could appear as solid as the projection onto the eye allows [came up with a great way to 'turn night into day and day into night' in effect].

So summary is I think augmented reality is going to be far more entertaining than virtual reality (sort of like that bit in The Beach were Leonardo is bounding through the forest in computer game mode) and the cost/benefit of eyewear is going to save the wasted production of millions of screens and create massive revenue potential for tourism and interactive TV applications that will have a real impact on quality of experience and quality of life. The educational possibilities are fantastic too... a child could learn three+ languages by having their portable recognise objects and teach them the name for it in each language etc...

[gone way beyond the above examples now - found out a health reason for AR too, kids under about 8 get alterations in their visual perceptive abilities if they spend too long in total VR emersion. AR solves this]

Two other things... if Microsoft doesn't move in this direction quickly and tries to slow down the release of such technology (as has been their strategy or default action with the release of the PC OS in some cases) then I don't mind if it is done on Linux... as long as it gets done. Any Linux or MS guys feel free to comment here too [no one has offered any comments in this area - I have moved on to find (better) mass parallel hardware, optics is not going to cut it in the next 5 years either].

Finally I think perhaps HTC could hold the key to moving these devices forward faster, just as Sony has improved the capabilities and usability of PalmOS... there is no point waiting for new OS releases if you can bundle other software onto a device with Telecom operators and move it forward faster... it will have to happen anyway because charging for traffic isn't going to be viable for long. [clarification - that was in reference to PDAs as becoming handsets - generally now thinking that silicon can't cut it for the uses I am now looking at with the glasses - that is not to say that handsets don't have a few years yet but the technology is dog slow and being painfully slowly released - Take the Mobile Explorer browser for example in WinCE, the programmable API version of this is clearly intended not to allow the same functionality as the Microsoft IE application itself on the PocketPC (I can see the devious thinking of separating it). This is just plain infuriating because if MS wasn't deliberately slowing down the development of the browser it could be modified to be the universal window on a PocketPC for any app - e.g integration with video overlays/3D/SVG etc, that's all a browser is, a window with greater API functionality - as such this restriction has forced me off the whole platform (early)... e.g. other factors such as output resolution/speed/memory are also looming]
15th November 2003, 02:18 AM |#14  
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Another thought just reviewing the posts above... there must be a massive incentive for 3G mobile operators in getting the eyewear working as well. And as regards the storage of video then if it was being transmitted from the glasses camera to the XDA and then to a 'video storage account' at the 3G operator then they will be making much more money than today and the Pocket PC won't need a massive harddrive... those 3G license costs may then well have been worth it. If the CCD on the glasses is good enough it would also provide the potential for billions of 'Kodak Moments' and solve the issue of the guy above who said he likes to just point and click (and spontaneous photos are often the best in my experience). It still leaves the problem of how to shut the camera off in sensitive environments in companies or like in Greece where you can't photograph airports and military bases but location based 'permission' (usually on in most places) would solve this... it could bring a whole new meaning to the words 'pay-per-view'.

Any 3G people please comment also... propose doing the eyewear as 'open hardware' (like open source but with hardware). Contributions welcomed. [okay stuff 3G, no responses. I have found a much faster delivery mechanism in any case with no need for large scale base stations. Rupert Murdoch give me a call you will love this one :) ]

Where are the super techs on the photo at the front of this site (XDA electronics gurus) ???... please reply with thoughts and technical problems to achieving the above [that was in relation to original video out on the XDA - forget it]. I have a way to get a really high-res screen on the glasses but again will require miniturisation... am thinking that overall timeframe before these become mainstream cost effective is in the order of 10 years [7 years] but with HTC and 3G operator backing it could happen sooner as the cost of the device can be subsidised in return for long-term account sign-up. I am ready to sign up for 3G with this now... [if you want something done... you know the rest] there will be many others! Handsets will still be necessary [actually they aren't - people will be able to pick up a virtual phone from infront of them, no handset required] although under this model they will become 'part' of an 'on body network' [changed] (and perhaps it will be beneficial to move the high energy transmitters away from the head and down to the hip etc...) [solved].

Again thoughts called for on this and most welcome... [still are - please post here]
15th November 2003, 02:35 AM |#15  
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One more thing...

Upon reflection last night I also thought the ultrasonics on the ear piece mentioned at top are more likely going to have to come out over the ear with a small 'sub-stem' off the stem of the glasses but this will also help pre-detection of the sound to do noise cancelling (I had been thinking some kind of off-spectrum 'optical pre-detection' but it may not be feasible and may be possible and cheaper to achieve with a mic. Depending of course if the cancelling can be done with a DSP and still beat the sound to the ear lobe via the ultrasonic waves to achieve a cancellation on the ear skin itself [okay this is the way - it will work but serious miniturization of the emitters is required]). The theory is good but I still haven't found who is building the emitters [found] or how large they are [massive] and it will largely depend on that if the whole idea is feasible or not... otherwise the concept seems ok and would be much better than current bud earphones. If the 'sub-stem' and frames of the glasses were flexible it would also allow someone to have their head on the pillow and watch a movie/listen to music. Currently my bud-earphones cause my ear to get really sore when using my walkman to listen to the radio at night which is my favorite time as usually there are less ads (I really hate ads [clarification for Rupert :) - I hate pop up ads - I don't mind signage, packaging or sponsorship (especially in the arts) - not so sure about sponsorship in education but the jury is still out]

[Key factor is going to be safety - there is a cute ad on TV in NZ at the moment which I think was inspired by a music video I saw years ago... in the latter a milk carton went wandering around, in the ad a little yoghurt container greets the person when they come home and it is really cute... such things would be fine on the glasses where they don't make people trip up by appearing to scuttle under their feet but Saatchi and Saatchi or the real Saatchi's are going to love this medium better than TV - I'm imagining everything augmented now and traffic safety can be improved and all sorts of beneficial things - there will never be any need for interactive TV as it was envisaged in the late '80s early '90s and all this hype about WebServices is really a matter of just hooking up an improved Yellow/White Pages - or Universal Directory - and Digital Library to the glasses - of course you can read the output in a book and jump instantly to the right page).
19th December 2003, 05:12 AM |#16  
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Zaurus Competitor
Microsoft needs a competitor for the latest clamshell zaurus PDA as a realistic goal. Can someone argue for or against an XDA III that is basically a Zaurus running Windows 2003 with java and camera and GSM. Can anyone enlighten me on whats wrong with the latest zaurus and how MS can improve on that design? Thanks! :lol:
21st December 2003, 04:50 AM |#17  
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7th January 2004, 01:02 PM |#18  
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Originally Posted by bamse

If only they could skip the STUPID integrated f***ing camera!!! I'll have to stick with the my XDA I until there's someone smart enough to skip the camera as most of the companies I work for will not let me carry a camera on their premises.

Why not fill the space with a few hundred megs of RAM, a wifi and UMTS circuits instead?

/b

I thought I read somewhere that the xda 2 camera is removable - is this true?
7th January 2004, 02:16 PM |#19  
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the motorola symbian 3g device have 2 wab one to use for video calls and one on the other side to take snaps with

would asume since cams are becomming more and more std
soon they'll be on milk!
it's not too expensive to put 2 in

what about 5.1 surround support! in xda3
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