the new youtube is messing with me too :/ an error message appears when i try to post something, i will try to post later though
that sucks yeah i get same message cant post anything
that sucks yeah i get same message cant post anything
And this is why you should upgrade.
If people waited for perfection, they'd never buy anything. I for one can live with that particular flaw of the amoled, if others cant, then they should wait for something new to come out.... with its own set of flaws.
Great Now I am starting to wonder whether or not I should cancel my order with Handtec. Is this pinkish tint something that the Nexus One users experienced?
Too bad no one has received SIM unlocked handsets from places like Clove and Handtec.
Now I am starting to wonder whether or not I should cancel my order with Handtec. Is this pinkish tint something that the Nexus One users experienced? Too bad no one has received SIM unlocked handsets from places like Clove and Handtec.
As irkan had said ... for those where they're seeing pink tints outside of Gmail, like me, on practically every app (varying degrees of pink regardless of brightness setting), then contact T-Mobile to organise a replacement. Remember, in the UK, you only have 7 days to register your fault and get a replacement from T-Mobile.,
what happens if the replacement also has this issue? do you get another 7 days after you receive the replacement ?
I can't say i ever read anything about a pink screen on the nexus, only the pink camera.
Hmm, then I wonder if it was just with the T-mobile UK handsets. I really hope that the SIM unlocked ones do not have the pinkish tint. We shall see in the next week or so
Hmm, then I wonder if it was just with the T-mobile UK handsets. I really hope that the SIM unlocked ones do not have the pinkish tint. We shall see in the next week or so
people who got their unlocked devices from CPW or mobiles.co.uk also have this issue.... perhaps its the first batch that is faulty or software has bugs
Well I am waiting for Handtec to get back to me about this. Really would be cr@ppy to get the phone, then have to ship it back and hassle with customs again
None of the reviewers have mentioned this, I have read 3 reviews and none have said anything about it.
I HATE the screen on my blackstone when watching videos on it since the black's are very poorly represented. This will be evident on Hero's, HD2's etc etc etc. I would much prefer a slight pink tint that so far only a few people have complained about in a single application, compared to dull colours, poor visibilty in sunlight and poor representation of blacks. That's a bigger list of downsides compares to a slight pink hue on the gmail app....
I don't see why people would cancel their order. Every phone as previously said will have their issues. No phone will ever be perfect. This phone has been rated by reviewers as one of the best phones on the market right now.
I HATE the screen on my blackstone when watching videos on it since the black's are very poorly represented. This will be evident on Hero's, HD2's etc etc etc. I would much prefer a slight pink tint that so far only a few people have complained about in a single application, compared to dull colours, poor visibilty in sunlight and poor representation of blacks. That's a bigger list of downsides compares to a slight pink hue on the gmail app....
I don't see why people would cancel their order. Every phone as previously said will have their issues. No phone will ever be perfect. This phone has been rated by reviewers as one of the best phones on the market right now.
haha, AMOLED screens are a billion times worse then normal phone screens in sunlight - you can hardly see a thing.
Theres complaints about it in the nexus forum. Theres also mention of the hue being purplish.
Can someone call HTC?
HTC said they will fix it in the next update (Nexus One):
http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/58313-pink-display-problem.html#post507109
I am now thinking that their driver is the problem.
HTC said they will fix it in the next update (Nexus One):
http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/58313-pink-display-problem.html#post507109
I am now thinking that their driver is the problem.
And this is why you should upgrade.
If people waited for perfection, they'd never buy anything. I for one can live with that particular flaw of the amoled, if others cant, then they should wait for something new to come out.... with its own set of flaws.
I'm with you 100% ... I was waiting for the Bravo/Desire for months now, and day dreaming about it.
For two reasons: CPU and Screan size. 3rd reason is the separate lock button on top, though "unlocking" should be enabled on front buttons for convenience.My point is, how I see all this is AMOLED seems to have only negatives:
-can easily have manufactuing faults
-seems very bright to my liking
-rounded (inacurate) colors
-almost useless under sunlight
-and finally it can end up consuming more power if you use bright (light color) backgrounds and applications.
So I think the only reason it was used is it's cheaper. I'm still not convinced I want to upgrade from the Hero because these details count, for me, that's all.
I'll wait until it's widely released and has more reviews. Or wait for a 1.5Ghz, at least 1GB ROM, 1GB RAM unlocked phone.
its not a big issue, .. (i dont know how many times i have to mention thisGreat
) and yes, Nexus one has reported such cases (check the N1 forum, you will find some)exactly, as i said, in most cases, its not even noticeable
a study has been conducted, and found that people spent 70% of mobile using time indoors, vs 30% of mobile use outdoors.
so i would take AMOLED any day thank you very much
Can anybody give me hint, which phone display works fine in sunlight conditions? Because the screens of all my phones were hardly legible in direct sunlight.
In other words: The whole discussion about screens not working so well in bright sunlight is rather pointless.
In other words: The whole discussion about screens not working so well in bright sunlight is rather pointless.
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First off, your explanation, with full illustration is brilliant and much appreciated. Always great to get a thorough scientific explanation for things that appear to be "broken".
#2: I live in San Francisco in an area where lots of GoogleBots live. Right outside my fav' coffee house, they board their temperature-controlled, plush reclining-seat, wifi coaches every morning for GoogleTown. Now, these GoogleBots are a rare species, generally but not always, anti-social, so it takes the will of the gods above to pick the right GoogleBot who is receptive to speaking to a non-Googled-being. But I will commit the grave sin of using OLD SCHOOL methodology -- i.e., PRINTING OUT out your post #1 in color of course, and ANNOTATE IN HUGE RED LETTERS next to the part that speaks about "of all the greys they had to pick, they picked this one"... And then I shall COMMAND him or her: "Be a good corporate citizen; take care of this matter, Googleton."
I shall then resort to shaming him or her relentlessly, whatever is necessary to send the message to TEAM ANDROID at GoogleTown, sub-team GMAIL APP DEV, sub-team UX DESIGN, sub-team USER INTERFACE, sub-team GRAPHICAL UI, sub-team CREATIVE DIRECTOR, sub-team ART-DIRECTOR, sub-team DESIGNER, sub-team PHOTOSHOP JOCKEY (outsourced, not actually a grad of an Ivy league school, thereby not suitable for employment) -- that this deficit shall be memorialized in such a manner as to cause grave embarrassment to Team GOOGLE should this occur again in the future.
Or... I could just write to the product designer of the original G1, who actually has social skills and is quite a nice guy, and pass along this friendly helpful advice re color palette selection to sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-Team Android.
You are right, all screens will not work well under direct sunlight. But all we're relying on at the moment is reviews (mostly specialized website) who mentioned it as a noticeable point.
As soon as more actual users start playing with it or you try it yourself, we'll know exactly how it performs.
Is it just me? Nothing looks pink on my display (except pink things). Also this is the best screen I've ever seen under sunlight!
2 days? ... check this guy out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghRFtDD4t9M
he says he managed to squeeze 4 (FOUR) days out of this sucker
My battery lasts really well!
Furthmore, if you turn of the net when not using it, it makes it last even longer with hardly any drain even when playing games!
Just come back from Europe and was using the GPS and the drain was minimal.
I charged my Desire for about 13 hours when I first got it without turning on. Seems to have worked a treat.
Loving the phone.
Re the Pinkish, only just noticed this now I've seen this thread and gone to HTC.COM prior to this not come across any other sites with this problem so it's not a big deal for me. My phone is great IMO and just wished Navigation worked right here in UK.
Re the sunlight issue. I had difficulty seeing whilst in Europe whilst out in complete bright sunshine and had to focus really hard to see, however this has been same as on other phones so not a big issue for me.
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Hi,
Ok first of all i know that there are other threads related to this thing, those threads defined the problem and many posts were speculations and wondering wither its hardware/software/glitch .... etc
As i was searching about this and saw the other members conclusions I wanted to start a new thread so any new member comes and read this and know exactly why is this happening to him/her, and wither its a real problem or not.
Desire's AMOLED displays have a big resolution 480*800 pixels,and have different sub-pixels arrangement in it, each pixel have "RedGreen" and the one after it is "BlueGreen" .... RG BG RG BG, .. etc, that is PenTile Matrix, while other LCD and "normal" displays have RGB RGB RGB, ... etc
for more info about this, click here
the pentile matrix looks exactly like this
Now the effect of this matrix is double edged, instead of having 3 sub-pixels in each pixel, we have 2 sub-pixels in each pixel, this saves power, precious battery power, but also this arrangement of sub pixels contributes to the issue somehow because the colors will not "look" exactly the way they are (the way the RGB matrix show it, which is used in most of our displays like TV, PC, LAPTOP, ... etc), there will be slight difference due to the screen "approximation", and that difference is NOT noticeable in most cases, only in few cases where the solid colors intersects with each other.
see the posted screenshot of Gmail app with the gradient color near it
see how the color picker identified the gray color, .. and how close it is to the pink, the pink showed due to the display approximation of the color.
and most importantly see how "photohop" saw the color as "not a web safe color" and see how it showed in the small square the pink color!
photoshop detects this because it knows that if an "approximation" happens than this will be displayed as pink.
And not only that, photoshop suggests that you put a "safe" color, and it shows "pink" instead of the gray as a suggestion!! why is that?
To find the answer, look at the circle in the color gradient board, you will see that this "gray" is nearer to the pink than it is to the actual gray!!!
and here we are seeing it pink on the Desire's AMOLED devices, what a surprise!
Now notice how the upper bar is dead gray, and does not have any pink in it, that is because its "GRAY" is not close or near any other visually-different color. and of course photoshop identified it as "SAFE for web", and that even if an approximation happens, this will still be rendered as gray
the good news is, it will NOT be noticeable in most of the cases, because most of the colors are not gray scaled and not "visually close to the human eye" to other colors, as you can see from the gradient color posted there are many "safe" grays out there, ... but google had to choose that gray that is near the pink
Now the bad news is, that this is NOT an android software problem, it is a hardware (display/calibration) issue.
but does that mean it cannot be solved "indirectly" by software? .... not sure, am thinking of what if Android created a layer where it picks each color and see wither its safe or not, .. if its not safe than do an OS approximation for that color, if its "gray near pink" change it to "gray" and pass it to the AMOLED as "safe color". not sure how that would be implemented or what is the weight and impact.
but as i mentioned before, if apps stick to "safe" colors, this will insure that even if an approximation happened, nothing will be noticeable
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UPDATE For people who think that the issue is from the browser and not from the AMOLED display that has PenTile matrix.
here is a screenshot from Android SDK emulator with the same browser as in Desire (WebKit)
here is a screen shot of the original website from the PC, using Google Chrome browser
and here is a screenshot of the site taken directly from HTC Desire (the site has been visited from the HTC Desire and a screenshot was taken and transfered)
Its pretty clear that the browser is not the real issue (even though it has some slight very slight pinkish hue), the pinkish is alot worst in the desire than what is the emulator and the screenshots show
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UPDATE
After seeing the below pictures (thanx onkolog for posting those pics!), one can conclude that this "gray shades to strong pinkishness" issue is definitly not a general AMOLED issue.
People reported that in Samsung Galaxy, and Legend (Both AMOLED but not PenTile matrix) have slight pink viewing the htc.com site, but it is nowhere as pink as found in the HTC Desire
HTC Desire:
HTC Legend
as the pictures shows clearly that the legend (which has AMOLED display with normal RGB implementation) shows the Gray as pretty Gray (not as pink as the Desire).
here is a pic of the Desire & Legend side-by-side with the HTC website shown
(thank you ohyeahar for this shoot). the Desire has more pinkishness than the legend, the legend seems fine but some people said that it also has some slight pink (not as desire though)
as you can from the photo and as ohyeahar stated (having both devices, legend and desire) that its not a real issue, but its there if you really look for troubles you will find it, otherwise normally you wouldnt be annoyed from it
EDIT: some people have pink hue all over the screen, not only particular apps/colors, .. IMO this just your device, and you should replace your device
EDIT: I used web-safe colours as a technique to show how the colours might look different due to screen approximation the web-safe colours is not designed to detect the approximation of the Desire's AMOLED accurately, it is designed for web approximation due to compression, but they are similar some how, in terms of that colours are getting approximated and changed sometimes to the nearest possible colour thats why i used it.
the "web-safe" approximation only appears when an image is compressed for web standards (or approximated in case of the Desire's AMOLED), .. some images are not compressed for web use, you see the the HTC.com page gray on your monitor, and i see it gray on my nokia e75, but it looks pink in the Desire's AMOLED because the display of the desire (and i suspect android too) approximate the colour, and i used the web-safe colour technique to detect that (even though that this technique is not dedicated to identify the Desire's AMOLED approximation)1The battery drain from the screen is somewhat dependant on what you are watching. If you are displaying an image with lots of different colors, areas with black and so on, the screen will not use as much power as an LCD-screen. But if you for instance use a spreadsheat in excel or word-doc. where most of the screen is bright white, then the screen will use more power than an LCD, since it has to light up all pixels, whereas the LCD only has a few backlights.
As an exampel from a QVGA screen; black text on a white background would eat up 3W, white text on a black background would only use 0,7W.
So in real life, there might not be that much gain in powersaving.1The display colours are as they are due to display RGB primary calibration at the factory - and software to a much much tinier degree - nothing to do with manufacturing. It is either intentional to circumvent other problems or simply poor-to-no calibration. The DDI approximation won't by itself make such errors with proper display calibration.
1. The Desire and Nexus One both have a very blue colour temperature intentionally, which shifts the greys to the red-magenta spectrum when combined with the PenTile over-green subpixel approximations the DDI must provide for. The reason for that starts with the fact that the organic B element in OLEDs fail far faster than the RG, and the blue luminance is very low but with high power draw which results in very low blue luminous efficiency right from the start. This is a known problem with OLED engineering. To delay the onset of the B spectra output decreasing to the viewer, manufacturers intentionally shift the beginning calibration towards very blue output. So it starts off with colour oversaturation and a bluey temperature with higher power draw, but as the B pixels degrade and their luminosity decreases, the blue doesn't suddenly disappear within the first 2-5 years of average use, it will just decrease significantly. As the blue luminance decreases, at some point, the colours will appear far better than when new.
You can see such measurements in these tests by professionals, for instance: http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
2. There are other workarounds employed, like the PenTile matrix, but it shouldn't affect the image reproduction much if the display is properly factory calibrated with the primaries and the software algorithms are decent with scaling and compression. Higher B spectra than with PenTile would increase sharpness but also increase power by a large margin on these displays too. Increasing B spectra would also increase the probability of defective subpixels on the display.
3. The bad readability people complain about in sunlight is due to very low maximal white luminance with these OLED displays (~200*cd/m2) and the high reflectance on these displays (primarily because of the metallic cathode, large spaces between layers so the panel is far down and poor anti-reflective coating on-screen). The device manufacturers can easily circumvent these, with additional time+cost.
4. If colour accuracy is what you are after, except black, nothing on the market touches the LCD featuring Droid X and the Droid - both known for absolutely excellent colour reproduction. I've used both. Look at the Droid here, for instance: http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
5. Just to be clear. I have absolutely no problem with some bits currently appearing slightly pink instead of light grey. Had someone here not complained, I wouldn't have noticed. I do dislike the obvious oversaturation in colours everywhere much though.
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