Alternative to 10 post rule

KidCarter93 · Jan 24, 2013

Suggestions/Alternatives

*Change 10 post to x number of thanks - Pros : It would take longer for users to gain access to development forums. - Cons : Users will beg for thanks more and possibly spam thanks to help each other gain access.

*Complete a quiz during registration - Pros : Could possibly reduce the number of people allowed in development forums. - Cons : Too hard because different people have different levels of knowledge + couldn't be multiple choice because too easy to get around.

*Let OPs of dev threads delete posts - Pros : Cut down on the useless posts. - Cons : Won't happen because only mods/admins will have ability to delete posts. Devs could show favouritism + take too much of the devs time to delete posts.

*Review posts before they appear in development - Pros : If possible, no crap would appear in dev threads. - Cons : Not possible because of the massive workload on the manpower of the mods.

*Deny access to Off-topic until user has 10 posts - Pros : Stops a lot of people posting there to get to 10 posts. - Cons : Users will be more likely to spam in the device forums instead.

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KidCarter93 · Jan 24, 2013

Alternative to 10 post rule

I'm creating this thread as a place to centralize all alternative ideas to the 10 post rule.

Obviously, a lot of different suggestions have been made over the time and we've been told that the admins won't change the rule unless a better solution can be proven to work.

So if you have any suggestions as to what could be used instead of needing 10 posts to post in development, then post your idea in here.

*If you're not sure why there is a limit to post in development, read the following thread - Postcount limit in developmental fora

*If you want to moan about the rule, don't post it anywhere on this site as we've heard it all before.

*Need to help someone in a development thread? Or give developer a logcat? Private Message them. It exists

*If you have less than 10 posts, don't post here UNLESS you are suggesting a different alternative.

*NOTE* As mods, senior mods and admins may be checking in here, don't use this thread to try and gain your first 10 posts because your comment will most likely be deleted.

TonyStark R.I.P. · Jan 24, 2013

While this is a great idea, the thread will be bombarded by those that want to raise their post count

The larger issue wouild be with the spam to 10ers. The present method found by most new users.

XxLordxX · Jan 24, 2013

What about 5 thanks rule? Instead of 10 posts get 5 thanks?

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ronnie498 · Jan 24, 2013

XxLordxX said:
What about 5 thanks rule? Instead of 10 posts get 5 thanks?

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Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.

neectron · Jan 24, 2013

ronnie498 said:
Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.

So it will take some time to get permission to post in development section.In that time,we can hope they will get some perspective of xda-developers.

There is one huge drawback,that they might post some clever/funny things and get a lot of thanks for those posts.
So they can score 1 post and 10 thanks ->get permission to post in development section.:/

KidCarter93 · Jan 24, 2013

TonyStark said:
While this is a great idea, the thread will be bombarded by those that want to raise their post count The larger issue wouild be with the spam to 10ers. The present method found by most new users.

Most likely but we'll just report and move on

ronnie498 said:
Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.

This is true. I think for a thanks count to work, people would need to be further educated about using the features available around this site. But at that point, would a limit oh development really be needed?

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ronnie498 · Jan 24, 2013

KidCarter93 said:
Most likely but we'll just report and move on

This is true. I think for a thanks count to work, people would need to be further educated about using the features available around this site. But at that point, would a limit oh development really be needed?

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On the flip side you would have 10 thankers, just the opposite of a 10 posters that posting useless things

KidCarter93 · Jan 24, 2013

ronnie498 said:
On the flip side you would have 10 thankers, just the opposite of a 10 posters that posting useless things

I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.

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TonyStark R.I.P. · Jan 24, 2013

neectron said:
So it will take some time to get entry to development section.In that time,we can hope they will get some perspective of xda-developers.

No, they will have access, they simply can not post there until they reach the required min.

I'm not sure why this always tends to be an issue... I have always been one to send people to Q&A anyway. Q&A DOES NOT STAND for Quips and Assumptions

prboy1969 · Jan 24, 2013

I was thinking something more along the lines of an open book type mini test. Have a Thread / Post with important information about being a forum member, the rules, and basic guidelines. Make it a requirement that they read said Post / Thread before posting in the development section. Then must answer 10 questions. Make the questions random, and revolving. So even if you have two people trying it next to each other, they will be different tests. But make sure the answers to the questions are in the Thread / Post. Also to keep it interesting make them have to use the search function ( which would be rigged to lead them back to the Post / Thread ) to answer at least half of the questions. Anyways just a thought.

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Product F(RED) · Jan 24, 2013

I still don't understand why a new member absolutely needs post in a development thread.

- If there's a bug in a ROM/Kernel/Mod/etc, PM the developer. They're not going to sift through hundreds of pages to find your post.

- If you are a developer, help people in any other section of the site. It should be easy for you, since you are a developer.

- If you have a question, post in Q&A.

- If you want to say thanks, hit the Thanks button in the OP of the developer's thread.

It's really not a huge deal to get 10 posts. I don't know why people are complaining. Introduce yourself, post a screenshot of your homescreen, talk about your favorite device, show off your accessories, post in Offtopic. Do SOMETHING.

Fallen Spartan · Jan 24, 2013

Ok folks, just to let you know, I have subscribed to this thread and will be looking with interest at any ideas posted. I will reply to the more serious suggestions and I will delete posts by those wishing to boost their post count

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ramnex · Jan 24, 2013

I believe that we should do away with the ten post rule, since as earlier mentioned it is a piece of cake to reach ten posts.
Instead I propose a few alternatives, working on what has already been suggested:

1. Before allowing posts, ask the member a question about that topic itself, not just to check their overall developer knowledge.

2. Look for the number of helpful threads they have created AND have got positive feedback, not just their posts on other threads

3. Check for the spread of thanks,
i.e. differentiating a person with 100 likes from one funny post from someone with 2 likes or so over several posts.

This way we can judge a person's overall helpfulness to the community and whether they have something useful to contribute

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TonyStark R.I.P. · Jan 24, 2013

ramnex said:
I believe that we should do away with the ten post rule, since as earlier mentioned it is a piece of cake to reach ten posts.
Instead I propose a few alternatives, working on what has already been suggested:

1. Before allowing posts, ask the member a question about that topic itself, not just to check their overall developer knowledge.

2. Look for the number of helpful threads they have created AND have got positive feedback, not just their posts on other threads

3. Check for the spread of thanks,
i.e. differentiating a person with 100 likes from one funny post from someone with 2 likes or so over several posts.

This way we can judge a person's overall helpfulness to the community and whether they have something useful to contribute

Sent from my GT-I9100
If I helped you, please hit the thanks button!

Hmm tough this is tough. 1. I came to XDA w/ 0 developer knowledge. Still know very little. However I tend to use Q&A untill I feel comfortable enough to post in Development

2. My first helpful thread didn't come until I was here, well over a year.

Points are good, but as I've shown, many people are different.

Deadly · Jan 24, 2013

neectron said:
There is one huge drawback,that they might post some clever/funny things and get a lot of thanks for those posts.
So they can score 1 post and 10 thanks -> entry to development section.:/

I don't think this as a drawback...

Because, usually those who do use thanks button are educated enough or members with atleast 30 or more who knows that they are new users who are trying to be funny to get thanks..(this thinking comes if you have thanks count as restrictions for Dev section)

Also , the new user was able to get enough thanks(say ,10 thanks) from very less posts.. that would suggest he is clever enough to get it... so, it would also mean that the user is clever enough how to post in development section? I mean, if you know enough to get thanks from community which has been here all the time..

The drawbacks I see in this method are, 1. People already ask for thanks.. it would get into a point where people may beg for thanks and such threads may also appear as they used to appear in OT before thanks was taken down..

2. Also, puppy account count may rise, even though it will be taken down.. more work for admins thus..

3. I feel the complaints from new users will be more if this is the case.. as no one can't reach 10 thanks that easily... I mean I feel it would be atleast 20 posts for an avg user to get 10 thanks.. so, more whining..

I don't have a better answer as solution though.. but thanks limit could be really better than the 10 post rule IMO.. because this way the one word posters to get to 10 posts will be eliminated.. as well as spammers who try to get 10 posts as well.. all those link posting ban until 10 posts and other rules can be applied on this too.. so I feel this might be more efficient in keeping people from spamming... and inexperienced users will get enough idea and knowledge to post in development section instead of making a fool of themselves and getting flamed by others or something.. well, that's just my thoughts..

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ronnie498 · Jan 24, 2013

KidCarter93 said:
I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.

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True but there are those that would try to work around it as you said, if there was a way around that then it is very possible that the thank count could work along with the post count that xxlordxx mentioned.

Fallen Spartan · Jan 24, 2013

You have to remember, it simply isn't possible for us mods to read each post and approve it before it's allowed in Dev threads. Baring in mind we have 40k users per day and 2-3k new users per day

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ronnie498 · Jan 24, 2013

Fallen Spartan said:
You have to remember, it simply isn't possible for us mods to read each post and approve it before it's allowed in Dev threads. Baring in mind we have 40k users per day and 2-3k new users per day

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So very true

justmpm · Jan 24, 2013

KidCarter93 said:
I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.

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Look at this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2107187 and the stupid phone isn't even released yet and it isn't like the OP is thank you free either!

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