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hi everyone,

this is my first post in the mytouch 4g slide forum. i had a g2 since the day after it came out and it died on me this weekend and apparently t-mobile isn't sending them out as replacements anymore and gave me a mytouch 4g slide instead. still trying to get used to all the senseified aspects, but so far i really liked it. can't complain about being bumped up to a dual core. and i like the keyboard better.

anyway, this post is about the camera. ever since this phone came out i've heard nothing but reviews and marketing about how its the best camera ever on a phone and how it can replace your point and shoot and how awesome it is. now don't get me wrong, this camera is crazy fast. when i push the shutter, it takes the picture, no lag at all, and that's pretty amazing. but picture quality on this thing (unless of course i'm doing something wrong) is pretty terrible. i'd go as far as to say it's not as good as my g2. if i hold the camera 10000% still, it's pretty nice but still grainy. this is with or without flash. at its best i've gotten a pic that is comparable to my g2's camera (which didn't get any any high marks when it came out).

so i'm wondering, could i be doing something wrong? is there a setting i'm not seeing? it defaulted to 8mp, which it's still on, but that shouldn't even affect picture quality anyway. i'm getting blurry and/or grainy pics. so far i've only taken pics indoors with just regular lighting, some with flash and some without. if you need i can post some examples later. would love to get some feedback here on what i might be doing wrong.

thanks everyone.
 
 
31st January 2012, 10:32 PM |#2  
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First things first - Welcome to the MT4GS forums, the doubleshot as it's otherwise known is a fantastic device. Some may call me obsessed with it but to me the doubleshot has earned every bit of the attention I give it.

Secondly - this is a camera on a cell phone - keep that in mind as you browse this post and the links to other camera threads here in the MT4GS forums i'll be including below.

I personally feel the camera on the device is fantastic. It is not going to be an equivalent to an 8MP stand-alone digital camera, it's not the same tech/hardware quality for obvious reasons. I do feel it's comparable though.

Aside from falling short on some manual settings, i've replaced my point and shoot digital camera with this device and don't feel that i've lost anything.

Here is the camera I have - an older 10MP Kodak:
http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...ctID.145087200

Side-by-side quality comparisons of random pictures from that digital camera and the doubleshot have me preferring the doubleshot pictures almost every time - but I haven't actually sat down and snapped pictures specifically to compare the two. I could do that if anyone is interested and eventually will anyway even if people aren't.

The immediate capture mode of the camera on the doubleshot maybe makes it even in value for the manual settings I lost, but I did get into using the higher ISO exposures we don't have on the doubleshot - so maybe a slight pang of loss but i'll get over it. I mention it just to be accurate, but in my day to day I don't really think about it.

What I miss most about losing the higher ISO settings is taking pictures of the stars through my friends telescope when I have the chance to do so - I can still get pics through the telescope but not the same kind I could with those higher ISO settings. Then again - it is a cell phone we are talking about, lets not lose sight of that.

I use the camera a moderate amount overall I guess. Much more often then my dedicated digital camera because it's always with me, whereas the camera rarely was.

Took a lot of pictures around christmas, mostly of nieces and nephews and used photo apps to do fun things with them. The parents and grandparents of said kids were more then happy with the pictures, and it unquestioningly took better pictures then some of the digital cameras and all of the cell phone cameras, without exception.

(no, don't know what other cell phones were being used, some were not smart phones, and there was at least one iPhone 4S that got put to shame by the doubleshot. )

I've taken a bunch of pictures out in the woods, I like to wander in wooded areas and from time to time have played with the doubleshot camera while doing so. I've been happy with the results - could probably scrounge around on my computers and try to find some of them if you want.

Your issue with blurry or bad photos is not something i've had a problem with - but you aren't the first one to mention such an issue.

I've ended up with some blurry pictures due to autofocus on auto mode, but usually when i'm just snapping and not paying attention to what i'm doing. If i'm actually paying attention to taking pictures it's not a problem. Sometimes I have to wait for autofocus to make up it's mind if I don't tap a part of the screen to tell it where to look.

Going on that i'd say your phone probably isn't broken or damaged, but you just aren't familiar with using it yet and should experiment some. The more you use it the less likely you will be to end up where you are when you started this thread. It has some quirks to using it, and they aren't easy to articulate or communicate, you just gotta use it some to figure it out.

Go through all the menu settings for the doubleshot camera. Change them all. Try them out. Make sure you also go through the different mode settings for the camera and not just use the default auto.

Modes available:
1 - Auto,
2 - Sweepshot,
3 - Clearshot HDR,
4 - Burstshot,
5 - Night,
6 - Action,
7 - Macro,
8 - Portrait,
9 - Manual.

Make use of the different modes. If you just mess around with Auto, you are missing out and not really getting the use out of the camera that you could be.


Here are some pictures I took last night using just auto mode, attached to this post: (sorry it's long, but they are at the bottom of it)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...56&postcount=4

How do these compare to the pictures you started this thread about? Since you didn't post them this is purely for you to review and compare with.

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Here are some pictures I tool with the doubleshot last night using Macro Mode (for closeups), attached to this post:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...16&postcount=5

EDIT: These two posts I linked to of pictures I took were at the lowest resolution (640x480) with widescreen un-checked. I did that so I could just upload to the forums without having to shrink it in photoshop first - so those pics are straight off the doubleshot.

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...and here is a thread discussing the camera with pics:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1231050

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More camera information, some comparison shots and someone who has a problem with image quality as you've posed:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1242751

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Maybe this will help also, short thread on zoom:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1231770

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Here is a short thread discussing the camera/camcorder: (5 posts short)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1308620

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This thread (probably shouldn't even bring it up) is mostly just an argument about the camera on the device, but there is some good information and points raised if you have the patience to sift through all the crap in this thread:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1250092

It also has a handful of off-site links that you may find useful. It's a shame that thread has so much useless bickering, because it's got some good info.

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Here is some more information on the "zero lag shutter" which is/was a forerunner of ICS capability:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1329960

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If you start having issues with green lines or something like that on the screen/pictures with the camera, check this thread:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1194463

... and another thread about it:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1347356 ( with pics )

I, and most of us, have not had this issue. More then one person has, and it's useful to link to that thread here in case anyone else does so they can get more information about it.

(It's basically a non issue and quick fix for anyone who's had the problem, at least as far as I know.)

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Here is a thread someone was talking about having odd black lines framing video and one person mentioned it happening once on a picture they took. Never really went anywhere so no clue what the problem was or if it got resolved - but here ya go anyways in case it becomes relevant:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1334559

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So that's most of what I can remember off the top of my head, but i'm sure I missed a few. Anything in the last 3 weeks or so probably flew under my radar, but otherwise that should be most of what was discussed about the camera here in the MT4GS forums.

So, looks like you got a little reading and experimenting ahead of you, but hopefully this will help you work with your camera a little better and get the most out of this really cool piece of tech in your hands.

If you have any other questions about it feel free to ask, and see if you can post some of the pictures so I or others can see what you mean about blurry pics. The first two posts I linked to before linking all the threads are pictures I posted last night taken with the doubleshot I got through T-Mobile back in August, i've been the only owner and it was never serviced or warrantied - I love the camera on it.

Given that the marketing strategy behind this device was the camera, I can see how people would expect more from it then it can give - kinda over-hyped, ya know?

Fact is, the sensors for the camera are nowhere near the size of the sensors in a standalone point & shoot device dedicated to only taking pictures. There just isn't enough room to make it happen and fit everything else in the device.

The capture ability of the device is on par with roughly an 8MP dedicated digital camera, and it pretty amazing considering how small it is and that it's a phone first, camera second, and i'm more then happy with it's performance.

I'd love to see you get straightened out and get it working well, so give a shout out and maybe post some pictures when you start really having fun with it.

Can't wait to see what you come up with
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31st January 2012, 10:36 PM |#3  
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My camera takes gorgeous photos almost all the time, so that is pretty strange. Are you sure you are in the right mode? Put it on the automatic mode, and try taking some pics. One time I left the camera in night mode, and forgot to turn it back. All my photos were coming out grainy and blurry, until I realized that it was in night mode. I switched it back to automatic, and all was well.

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Macro mode is my favorite. There is a thread at Androidforums.com where people have posted pictures taken with this phone. When I get time I will post some of my pics.

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wow thanks! yea looks like i have plenty of reading to do. i haven't even had the thing a full 24 hours yet, so i'm sure i'll figure out how to make the most of it. i didn't REALLY expect it to replace a real camera (figured that was all marketing speak), but i just expect pics at least as good as my g2, and so far i haven't seen any as good as what i got with that. and it would be nice to have a camera that takes pics as nice as the iPh... not gonna say it, i don't want to get booted out of here haha. but yea. i'll report back after a week or so and let you guys know how i'm doing. loving the dual core. you can really tell the difference in getting in and out of apps.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/23926..._the_test.html
This link shows our camera was the best Android camera.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24206...id_update.html
This link shows that it is better than the Iphone camera.
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Quote:
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/23926..._the_test.html
This link shows our camera was the best Android camera.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24206...id_update.html
This link shows that it is better than the Iphone camera.

wow that's crazy. yea like i said, i'm gonna have to give it a week, mess with it, try the different camera modes out. but in auto in my first 24hours the pics definitely weren't as good as my g2 and DEFINITELY not as good as pics i've seen off an iphone4... so that's crazy. can't wait to see what this thing can do once i really get the hang of it. must just need to get off of auto.
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Here are some pics I took with the camera on the doubleshot.






As you can see, it takes great pics pretty regularly.
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those are some great pics yellowjacket...you got a good eye.

the 4th pic from the bottom or 3rd from the top is now my current wallpaper
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wow yellowjacket. those are great.
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Thanks, I guess you can tell I like using the macro setting lol.
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