A big problem - Xperia Z3 Stock Messaging App (really any stock Xperia Messaging App)

drummerjames

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You can read all the long drawn out situation, or scroll to the Abridged version down below.

So I've heard of people and developers modding apps, giving the modded versions added features. In fact I have the modded Spotify Apk that allows me to skip any song in my playlist, but moreover from that, there is a serious issue. I don't know if anyone but Xperia Z3 owners on T-Mobile are affected from this, but the stock Sony messaging app on the Xperia Z3 has no MMS/Group Messaging feature. So even if I make a new messaging thread with more than one recipient, after I send the message, the replies come back as if the person sending it, only sent it to me, not the "group thread." So, what? You might be thinking to tell me to "just download a new app that supports MMS and Group Messaging like Textra," but the answer is not as simple as that.

So why is this so important that I'm asking the best developers around the world to help me? Well, T-Mobile is not known for its best signal that covers the entire continent. If fact they're kind of known for the opposite, so much so, that they've implemented "T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling," to help burden the pain of spotty coverage. So practically all "T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling" does is it allows one to send SMS/MMS(group messaging and picture)/calls over Wi-Fi. Pretty nifty, right? Well, yeah, if only it allowed third party apps like Hangouts, Textra, chompSMS, etc. to tap into it, but unfortunately, T-Mobile locked the use of "T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling" only to the stock Sony pre-installed messaging app: Messaging, the app that can't handle a Multi-Recipient MMS group conversation. ("T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling" is locked to all stock messaging apps, on any T-mobile phone) This problem doesn't just affect the Xperia Z3, it predates all the way back to the original Sony Xperia Z, meaning that all current Sony phone holders are affected by this: Z, ZR, Z1, Z1s, Z1c, Z2, Z3c, and Z3. That is why I'm asking you, the best developers to try and mod the stock Sony Xperia Messaging App, not just to help me, but help a lot of disgruntled Sony phone owners. If the problem has persisted for 8 different phones, I am hardly confident that Sony will fix this in their Lollipop update with the T-Mobile tweaks. All you (the developers/modders) would have to do is mod the stock Sony Xperia Z3 messaging app to have MMS/group messaging handing, rendering it actually usable and usefull. The only other way to resolve this issue is through legalities and laws of app developers getting permission to use and tap into the T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling, which in all honesty doesn't seem very secure for T-Mobile's data security.

The Sony Xperia Z3 is a great phone, top tier, just with this one annoying quirk. So much so. that people are returning their brand new, perfectly good phones (google "xperia z3 wifi calling mms"). I could just hope that Sony and T-Mobile would finally listen to the thousands complaining, but the chance of that happening is close to zero. In fact the stock Sony Messaging App is actually pretty great and I wish other apps like Textra would implement some of its features (like the ability to set your own custom background on the individual conversation thread), but the likewise could be said in vice versa.

My personal situation (irrelevant to the problem): I don't know if what I typed makes sense (there's a lot of different things to process, and I might of left some details out). I'm just a frustrated Xperia Z3 owner, with the programming experience of copying code from the internet and putting it in the arduino compiler, so I'm way over my head with trying to reprogram/modifying an app. I've searched for months trying to find and decent alternative, but without T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling I get all my messages an hour to a day late, because of the spotty coverage of the area I live in. I mean, I have 2 bars of 2G all the time, it's just I get 10 seconds of 4G every 15 min, contributing to the delay of messages. The delay (if I even get the message entirely) has messed up some of my friendships, because they think I'm ignoring them. I brag about my phone being so superior to iPhones, and it's always a little embarrassing and humiliating that a phone as good as the Z3 has this one crippling flaw. It's starting to get annoying and I might honestly just switch to an iPhone next because of how well iMessaging works, buts that only if the top of the top developers fail this desperate attempt.

ABRIDGED VERSION: Either I use the stock Sony messaging app that allows MMS over Wi-Fi but no group messaging, or a third party app that allows MMS group messaging but test chance to whether or not I get the message on time, delayed an hour, or not at all. Also the third party app could not utilize T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling, something many T-Mobile users rely on.

PLAN OF ACTION (for people with the knowhow to fix it [so not me]): Fix the stock Sony Xperia Z3 messaging app by modding it to be able to handle MMS/group messaging. I don't know how, but hopefully some developer/wizard could do some magic that Sony Developers couldn't do with their coconuts they call computers. So all in all is this even possible?
 
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drummerjames

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So does anyone know of anyone with the knowledge and power to accomplish and put an end to this MAJOR problem? At least some acknowledgement that other people are facing this problem would be nice. (Am I in the right/appropriate sub forum?)

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found this on reddit

From post
"I must have tried 10 sms/mms apps. Hangouts wasn't working out how I wanted to either, it would often default back to hangout chats instead of SMS, and group text replies would often come in as individual sms from iPhone users.
Finally used Textra, there's an option in there for MMS and T-mobile which was causing problems when wifi calling was enabled. After turning that on, my text messaging woes are finally over."
 

drummerjames

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Thx for the reply, but I'm currently using Textra and I either get texts an hour late, or not at all, so fixing the stock Sony Messaging App is the best option, all it needs is the ability to handle MMS/group messaging, because the stock Sony messaging app is the only app that can use T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling, which can also send/receive MMS.

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Don't have a z3 just yet but try 8sms, mms-->mms setting-->mms over wifi. Weirdly it doesn't work on my s3 if i install it from the playstore but if you go to his website and 8sms ddownload directory and download there the mms over wifi works better than textra
 

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Need a solution for this!

I also would love a solution for this. I hate that about this phone! I use the Google Messenger currently but that one sucks. I only get half of the group messages on that. And if a message is too long that it breaks up into 2 messages, the 2nd part never comes through. Why can't Sony just update their stock messaging app and fix the problem?!!?!
 

drummerjames

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I already use textra, and it is very wishy-washy even about me receiving ordinary SMS text, let alone MMS .

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This is supposedly fixed in the Lollipop update according to a post on the T-Mobile support forum. Google "Lollipop gave my Xperia Z3 Group MMS".
 

drummerjames

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This is supposedly fixed in the Lollipop update according to a post on the T-Mobile support forum. Google "Lollipop gave my Xperia Z3 Group MMS".
I haven't received the update yet, but I really hope it does fix the Group MMS problem. All I have yet to do is wait...
 

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I haven't received the update yet, but I really hope it does fix the Group MMS problem. All I have yet to do is wait...
MMS and group texting works 100% now for me. How have you not received the update yet? I was under the impression T-Mobile was not doing a Soak rollout and anyone whose phone queries the server should have access to it?
 
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drummerjames

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MMS and group texting works 100% now for me. How have you not received the update yet? I was under the impression T-Mobile was not doing a Soak rollout and anyone whose phone queries the server should have access to it?
My phone started having problems with wifi, so I sent it in and they Sony fixed it for free, and right now it's in shipping :)
 

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I have lollipop on a Non T-Mobile Z3 and this issue is NOT fixed. The stock messaging app still doesn't work with group messages right. I use google messenger, and it works but its slow and sometimes misses some group messages.

I don't understand how this phone has this issue in 2015....
 
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RockStar2005

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I would try Textra Rogue, and never look back. lol (Optional: I don't care much for the Android emojis, so install this Textra add-on afterwards to get the cooler looking iOS emojis.)

I have a suspicion that the issue is more T-Mobile's fault than Sony's. Yes, the stock messenger on the Z3 (and on the HTC One phones, and on the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge phones etc. lol) sucks and can't properly handle/display MMS messages. But once Textra replaces stock messenger (you should disable stock after installing Textra), that issue goes away. But the issue with NOT GETTING some or all MMS messages is something that T-Mobile seems to be having mostly with the Z phones.

So you aren't having ANY issues receiving MMS or even SMS messages then post-Lollipop? I had issues before but fixed them, and after getting Lollipop, everything seemed fine at first, but then the issues kinda came back and also some MMS texts would only show up after I reset my phone. So my old fixes from pre-Lollipop have been put back into play, and so far everything seems fine. But those fixes include using an alternate APN and turning off VoLTE, which I now get in my area but didn't pre-Lollipop. It annoys me that I have to turn VoLTE off to get my MMS messages though. And I still need a couple weeks to know for sure that it worked. I was getting the MAJORITY of my MMS messages before turning off VoLTE post-Lollipop, just not all of them. So far at least one photo/group MMS came in so I think it's working, but we'll see.

Do you know any other people who bought a Z3 but not through T-Mobile? If so, are they having any issues like mine??

Thanks,

RockStar2005
 
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MMS and group texting works 100% now for me. How have you not received the update yet? I was under the impression T-Mobile was not doing a Soak rollout and anyone whose phone queries the server should have access to it?
Scoder,

Answer me one question please........ do you have VoLTE enabled on your Z3? I disabled mine (again) b/c it appeared to be the reason why I was missing some random MMS messages here & there (before AND after Lollipop). I'm waiting for someone to tell me that they're not missing ANY MMS messages and have VoLTE enabled. Until then, I'll keep using Textra. It seems to work (and looks cooler), but only if VoLTE is off. I'm also using an alternate APN, but I think it's really more about whether VoLTE is on or not.

Thanks,

RockStar2005
 

RockStar2005

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Black Plague,

I am curious about Google Messenger. The stock one works just fine now, but I'd prefer more options. Also, when Wi-Fi is on, it doesn't always automatically download MMS messages, even though I have that enabled in Settings. This is b/c Stamina Mode is on, and since I can't whitelist the stock app b/c it doesn't show up on the whitelist app list, I can't do anything about it. But GM would show up.

Let me ask you............. 1) Do you have T-Mobile? 2) Do you have VoLTE enabled or disabled? 3) Do you use the default APN or an alternate? 4) Do you have Stamina Mode on? And if so, did you whitelist GM?

Thanks,

RockStar2005

---------- Post added at 04:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55 PM ----------

Since my 7/8 post Rogue, I've gone back to Stock, for now. I've been told by ppl who have the same phone and carrier as me (T-Mobile) that since Lollipop it can actually handle MMS properly finally. For last 2 days I've had it and uninstalled Textra............ and it seems to work just fine for the most part. Though Textra was cooler, it didn't seem to work all the time with MMS messages (sometimes they wouldn't come in) when I had VoLTE enabled, so had to turn it off. But with Stock I can keep it on it seems, which I prefer. Makes connecting to calls quicker and they say it upgrades the call sound quality too, though not sure if I notice a difference?

Only small thing is it doesn't automatically download MMS messages even though I set that up. I believe Stamina Mode is the reason. Can't whitelist stock b/c it doesn't show up on the whitelist app list, but maybe Google Messenger might? We'll see. It's a minor thing though b/c it still notifies me when an MMS message comes in, so I can download it automatically if it doesn't (sometimes it does). It seems to only really be an issue when I have Wi-Fi on, b/c when it's off it seems to download the MMS msg automatically.

RockStar2005
 

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Black Plague,

I am curious about Google Messenger. The stock one works just fine now, but I'd prefer more options. Also, when Wi-Fi is on, it doesn't always automatically download MMS messages, even though I have that enabled in Settings. This is b/c Stamina Mode is on, and since I can't whitelist the stock app b/c it doesn't show up on the whitelist app list, I can't do anything about it. But GM would show up.

Let me ask you............. 1) Do you have T-Mobile? 2) Do you have VoLTE enabled or disabled? 3) Do you use the default APN or an alternate? 4) Do you have Stamina Mode on? And if so, did you whitelist GM?

Thanks,

RockStar2005
bro I m from India I dont have chance to use Tmobile or Volte either I used Textra its nice app but I dont need that much setting though so i switch to GM coz I get a nice widget and about stamina mode I keep its settings to default but I use Greenify and keep all apps to sleep,
If u still want to try more apps please leme for ya :)
If u need the most settings in an sms app go for GO SMS pro, the first sms app I used it got a private box and cool themes to its awesome
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jb.gosms&hl=en
and a few alternatives to Textra if u wish, its almost similar I think to textra
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rpkandrodev.yaata&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.p1.chompsms
 

RockStar2005

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Plague,

India? Oh ok.

I see. I'm wary about going back to third party apps, but since this one is MADE by Google, I'm more open to it. Textra was fantastic, but where before it was superior to Stock (since I didn't get VoLTE in my area but now I do since around the time Lollipop came out), now it seems Stock actually works better as it lets ALL MMS messages come in even with VoLTE on. Textra wasn't if VoLTE was on. I may have to ask around more.

Yeah Chomp SMS is made by the same company (Delicious, Inc.) that later made Textra. Both are great. For me though I prob won't use them anymore. They need to be made better to handle VoLTE being in the mix.

Thanks.