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Genebaby

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Ahh, so my start/stop is misbehaving?

I kind of thought it would do a quick disconnect when BT to the car died, despite there being power to the USB port for a bit after in some cars.
 

Snirpo

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Ahh, so my start/stop is misbehaving?

I kind of thought it would do a quick disconnect when BT to the car died, despite there being power to the USB port for a bit after in some cars.
It should normally indeed. Bassiccly every change we do in the start / stop mechanism it breaks for half of the people and fixes stuff for the other half.
We have a way now to make it device controlled, so we can finally get rid of this horrible functionality.
 

Paetsch

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Hi,

I got a new Car (Toyota Corolla) and an Aawireless and I set it up yesterday.
My mobile phone is a Samsung galaxy S10 with Android 12.

Everything worked fine at the beginning, but after driving 5-15 Minutes, the box will lose the connection with the head unit and the LED starts to blink blue. And it won't regain the connection until I restart the car and the MMI.

I already tried a reset and two different usb cables and tried some of the usb modes.

Is it a known problem and what else can I do. As I said, it will get a connection at first but will lose it after a few minutes of driving and won't regain a connection even after trying another usb mode.

Thanks for an advice
 

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It should normally indeed. Bassiccly every change we do in the start / stop mechanism it breaks for half of the people and fixes stuff for the other half.
We have a way now to make it device controlled, so we can finally get rid of this horrible functionality.
Will the new Start/Stop be compatible with Dongle mode? I find Dongle mode good on its own for Start, but bad for Stop where my Hyundai Elantra 2018 keeps the USB powered ~2 min after turning off the engine and locking the car.
 

Snirpo

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Will the new Start/Stop be compatible with Dongle mode? I find Dongle mode good on its own for Start, but bad for Stop where my Hyundai Elantra 2018 keeps the USB powered ~2 min after turning off the engine and locking the car.
Yes, that's because the start part (waiting for handsfree) is built into AA itself. Why Google did not built in the stop part as well (kill AA on handsfree loss) is a mystery to me.
 

worldonfire

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@festor tried to use companion app also. Looks like in known places (one big crossroad in the city) there is no drop, but random disconnections still appear (at least today morning it appeared). Changed wifi channel to as big as possible, also region to Estonia as it should.

Will try to change network modes (already tried to disable VoLTE).

About other phones - As i have possibility to use three aawireless devices atm, then two of them are in other cars. My wife has Oneplus 6. It was so unstable that she did not want to use it any more. Other device is in Tiguan with technisat headunit and Samsung Note10. He said that sometimes, et is more stable, sometimes drops very often. Also told that quite unusable.

I'm not sure what HW these devices are, but mine and the one that my wife is using, they are produced this year. The one that my friend uses - should be one of the earliest devices.
 

Genebaby

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I decided to sit in my GFTI, testing the first time connection and projection, instead of just doing one thing before I go for a drive and then seeing if that works the next drive.

Seeing as I now knew Stop/Start was not working/behaving correctly I decided to disable that and it seems to have done the trick. I look forward to getting AA projection nice and easy/quickly again, and the driving without disconnections/dropouts.

Again for those with disconnections, is your AAW device secured or moving around in the cabin? If it's not stuck still it may be affecting performance during driving.
 
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Cipcino81

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Hello,
can you please roll my device back to firmware 1.8 ? I have a lot of disconnections with 2.0 .
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Gee11

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Hi,

I got a new Car (Toyota Corolla) and an Aawireless and I set it up yesterday.
My mobile phone is a Samsung galaxy S10 with Android 12.

Everything worked fine at the beginning, but after driving 5-15 Minutes, the box will lose the connection with the head unit and the LED starts to blink blue. And it won't regain the connection until I restart the car and the MMI.

I already tried a reset and two different usb cables and tried some of the usb modes.

Is it a known problem and what else can I do. As I said, it will get a connection at first but will lose it after a few minutes of driving and won't regain a connection even after trying another usb mode.

Thanks for an advice
this is the main problem with AAW.. soo many peole including me has this problem.. and theres no solution atm
 

festor

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@festor tried to use companion app also. Looks like in known places (one big crossroad in the city) there is no drop, but random disconnections still appear (at least today morning it appeared). Changed wifi channel to as big as possible, also region to Estonia as it should.

Will try to change network modes (already tried to disable VoLTE).

About other phones - As i have possibility to use three aawireless devices atm, then two of them are in other cars. My wife has Oneplus 6. It was so unstable that she did not want to use it any more. Other device is in Tiguan with technisat headunit and Samsung Note10. He said that sometimes, et is more stable, sometimes drops very often. Also told that quite unusable.

I'm not sure what HW these devices are, but mine and the one that my wife is using, they are produced this year. The one that my friend uses - should be one of the earliest devices.
I'm not sure disabling VoLTE would be a good thing, for my setup anyway, but it's just a theory. I don't really need 5g so I set 4g/LTE as preferred network and enable VoLTE in the hope it keeps the phone using 4g instead of switching down to 3g for calls. Lowering to 3g/2g cuts wifi briefly on my phone which obviously disconnects AAWireless. It seems to help, but it's hard to measure with an intermittent issue.

This should only affect Poco/Xiaomi/Redmi phones running MIUI 12.5> but it's easily tested if you manually lower the network while connected to AAWireless. Now you're using the companion app, double check VAG crash fix is enabled too for your Technisat head units.

Do you ever get disconnections while stationary? I know you tried other cables, but it might be worth another try. I think it's more to do with the AAWireless socket and a change of cable and mounting with velcro and VHB tape seemed to stop hard crashes for me. Also for others:

 

Cipcino81

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My disconnection is strange, aawireless stays blue and audio still plays , but android auto interface goes away and I got a black screen with a text like "for using android auto please stop and check your phone". When I am using maps and I can't stop immediately , I must rely on audio guidance . Then I simply turn off and on my pioneer unit and Android auto starts back. Sometimes I have to do it 4 times in a row to make it work again.
 

worldonfire

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I'm not sure disabling VoLTE would be a good thing, for my setup anyway, but it's just a theory. I don't really need 5g so I set 4g/LTE as preferred network and enable VoLTE in the hope it keeps the phone using 4g instead of switching down to 3g for calls. Lowering to 3g/2g cuts wifi briefly on my phone which obviously disconnects AAWireless. It seems to help, but it's hard to measure with an intermittent issue.

This should only affect Poco/Xiaomi/Redmi phones running MIUI 12.5> but it's easily tested if you manually lower the network while connected to AAWireless. Now you're using the companion app, double check VAG crash fix is enabled too for your Technisat head units.

Do you ever get disconnections while stationary? I know you tried other cables, but it might be worth another try. I think it's more to do with the AAWireless socket and a change of cable and mounting with velcro and VHB tape seemed to stop hard crashes for me. Also for others:


Just checked - VoLTE was disabled. Still random drops. My phone lets only choose fro example 5G&/LTE/3g/2g or LTE/3g/2g or 3g/2g. At the moment the one LTE/3g/2g is selected.

Tiguan with techisat has VAG crash fix enabled.

My car is somewhat more stable lately. Not so often drops any more. But have had drops even when standing (no one touching the aawireless or wires).
Same goes with my friend - we did the setup, aawireless was standing still and lost connection.

All cables seems to work idally directly with phone (wired aa).
Have tried at least 5 different cables - existing ones I had and event bought some new ones. Have also tried to move those cables when device is connected and working. But did not manage to make the connection to drop.
I don't know what cables should I try more...
 

Cipcino81

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Just checked - VoLTE was disabled. Still random drops. My phone lets only choose fro example 5G&/LTE/3g/2g or LTE/3g/2g or 3g/2g. At the moment the one LTE/3g/2g is selected.

Tiguan with techisat has VAG crash fix enabled.

My car is somewhat more stable lately. Not so often drops any more. But have had drops even when standing (no one touching the aawireless or wires).
Same goes with my friend - we did the setup, aawireless was standing still and lost connection.

All cables seems to work idally directly with phone (wired aa).
Have tried at least 5 different cables - existing ones I had and event bought some new ones. Have also tried to move those cables when device is connected and working. But did not manage to make the connection to drop.
I don't know what cables should I try more...
Yes I have tried moving aawireless with my hand and the cable too, and I got no disconnection. So I think it is not a problem with moving it. At least for me. I was thinking about a heat problem, I have noticed I got more disconnections when is hot weather. I will try to put aawireless on top of a 12x12 cm usb fan
 
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    Whoever did the german translation of the app: You might want to look at some of the strings again, like "Standart" -> "Standard", "Gepairte Smartphones" -> "Gekoppelte Smartphones" and much more. . It looks rather sloppy this way.
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    Hi All,

    Recently I've changed cars recently and bought a VW Passat B8 from 2016 with MIB2 (previously a VW Tiguan Allspace from 2020).

    Since this car change my AAWireless doesn't want to function correctly. I have random disconnections happening (could be once every 10 minutes or once every minute). When the disconnection happens it seems that it's the AAWireless device which is crashing somehow as the little status light goes off and then starts the boot sequence again (nothing > green > blue).

    In the past the VW Tiguan Allspace worked fine (even though it took more than 1 minute from start of the car to full working).

    What I've tried :
    1. New cables : doesn't change anything (the cables work for Android Auto if I connect my phone directly to it)
    2. Reset : doesn't change anything
    3. Updates from v1.8 to v2.0 to v2.0.1 : doesn't change anything
    4. Several USB modes / connection modes / VAG crash fixes / Start Stop fixes etc. : doesn't change the disconnects


    Additional info :
    * Device : AAWireless-ezvXL6z3
    * Samsung S10e on Android 12
    * The USB interface on the Passat seems to stay on for a very long time despite the car being off. I happens that when I near my car in the morning I automatically connect to AAWireless even though I'm just passing next to it (not opening it, nor entering it).

    Is this something that anyone experienced before?
    Known issue, you can track it here: https://github.com/cpebit/aawireless-issues/issues/124

    If you be any chance live close to (or in) the Netherlands I'd gladly debug it in your car :)

    I see you're still on 2.0.1 btw, could you update to 2.0.2?
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    @everyone

    For feature requests or issues, please use: https://github.com/cpebit/aawireless-issues/issues/new/choose

    I getting really hard to follow this thread. Possibly I already forgot some requests of some people. Need a bit of structure. We will try to fix issues one by one from GitHub.
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    Regarding the broken day / nightmode cycle:

    I also have this problem, and I read a few days ago that it was due to a combination of updated Google Maps and Android Auto.

    The combination which should work:

    Android Auto: 7.5.621344
    Google Maps: 11.31.1

    You finde all these old versions on apkmirror.com, or similar sites.

    Didn't have the time to check this out myself.

    I had this same problem. Found out it woud be caused to 11.31.1 and upwards. Found the solution on Google Maps Help.

    I installed Maps 11.35.0 beta (from apk mirror) and all seems to work well again. My AA is level 7.7.622134 (from play store).​

    Tried a lot of different variations, but my conclusion is that Maps from 11.33.1 is the culprit.
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    @Snirpo

    Why don't you use a Y-cable? Data plugs into the USB and electric power from the cigarette lighter plug.
    By this you can check the voltage on the cigarette lighter plug. Is it 12.x Volts, you know the engine is off. Then you wait for a timeout of 2 minutes after the phone disconnected and turn off AAWireless. As soon as the voltage is 14.x Volts, you know that the engine is running and turn AAWireless on. You could sell this as an addon cable for people who need this.

    Another solution is to make it based on vibrations/accelerations. The early bluetooth handsfree sets used a similar way to check if the door was opened. I don't know if there is a sensor on the board.

    Another idea is to carefully check how stable the 5V from USB is during engine start as the ICs have to control the output voltage based on the input voltage (input voltage should drop during engine cranking). I guess you will see a voltage control behavior. I think it will drop for a short time and then go over 5V until the controller sets the 5V stable. And here you can start AAWireless. As soon as the phone disconnects keep a long enough timeout of 5 minutes or so to make sure that noone tries to reconnect. Then you can turn off AAWireless. You could sell this as an addon cable for people who need this.

    These are just some ideas...
    While I do like these ideas technically. From an UX perspective I don't know.

    Right now already we get complaints AAWireless is difficult to setup (while in reality it really isn't), compared to for example the MA1, this would complicate it more. I have seen a lot of support tickets, and for non-tech these things are just very hard to understand. "Why do I need an extra cable?!"

    I think for the car's which have an always on USB port (Dodge RAM/Jeep) we seem to have a proper device controlled solution now (in beta).
    For other cars which keep their USB port powered for just a while after turn off its trickier, but even then the phone controlled way works for most. What's left is the edge cases, where we have to think about how to handle those.
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    I can, but it feels more like a bandaid solution. What kind of problems do you have?
    Yes rebooting is a band-aid solution for sure. But I think it would be a good thing to add in any case. Most devices I own have an option somewhere in the menu for a reboot. Hopefully it's not too difficult to implement.

    As for the issue, here's the description:

    Setup
    Car - Kia Stinger 2019 GT AWD
    AAWireless - Firmware 2.0, factory reset a few weeks ago. Enabled dongle mode and passthrough mode. Everything else is default
    Phone - Pixel 5

    Issue
    Once in a rare while (like every 20-30 trips) the audio from AAWireless connection just stops working. Happened with multiple different apps (Spotify, Pocketcasts, etc.). The app keeps playing the content (I can see the play time advancing) but no sound. There is never an interruption with the AA connection - it's rock solid, stays on my car display and is navigable. it's just the audio that stops working.

    Troubleshooting steps
    Tried factory reset in non-dongle mode (fail)
    Tried factory reset with dongle mode (fail)
    Tried dongle mode + pass through (fail)
    Upgraded to AAWireless firmware 2.0.1 (did that this morning, too early to tell)

    When this happens (again it's rare) the only way that I can resolve this is to leave the car for a few minutes and let the AAWireless unit power down with the car, or power cycle the AAWireless unit by unplugging and plugging back in. If I turn off the car and turn it back on immediately, the problem remains as the AAWIreless device stays powered on. If I switch to radio on the car the sound works fine but when I go back to AAWIreless the sound is still gone.

    In either situation, rebooting the AAWireless seems to fix the issue.

    Hope this helps. Like I said this is fairly rare occurence that can occur at the beginning of a trip or after 30 mins of driving. That's why I'd be happy with a device reboot option in the app as I know the permutations of cars + phones + AAWireless settings makes this hard to diagnose.
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    @Snirpo


    And still in schedule? :D

    If not, no prob...it's just a question! :)

    Thanks a lot!
    We're still testing the new start/stop mechanism. It seems promising for cars which keep USB port always or very long enabled (Mainly Dodge RAM)
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    This thread is dedicated for AAWireless users.

    AAWireless is a device which allows you to transform your existing wired Android Auto compatible unit into a Wireless Android Auto unit.

    General chat, experience sharing and community support should be expected as well as support from the developers of the product: @Snirpo and myself.
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    I just want to leave a big THANK YOU for the developers! You invented a great product and do a great job here.

    Anyone who has ordered the product knows that it is a crowdfunding project, which may also have teething problems. I find it cheeky to get upset about problems, even though they are dealt with promptly here. What more should the distributors do than react to the problems here and offer solutions?

    I also have problems with the device, but I was helped quickly. Even if it takes a few days.

    Dear team: Keep up the good work!
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    We fixed the "VW Headunit crashing on skipping tracks" issue now completely. Confirmed it's a bug on the HU side, latency makes it worse. We will probably push a new firmware by the end of this week.
    I will also submit a bug report to Google, cause they can fix/workaround this issue as well for cabled users.
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    Hello. What's new in 1.5?
    A full changelog for each release would really be appreciated :)
    Thanks for all the hard work!
    Yes, I'll write a full changelog next week from 1.0.0 to 1.5.0 and put it on GitHub + add a link in the app.
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    I've already waited patiently for delivery 3 months more than expected - I ordered In April and was coming in June but now that's looking like October. Now I read on the indiegogo forum that people in the UK are being charged an additional €27 by the Royal mail as the UK is now not in the EU.

    Hi Emil!
    Just received my AAWireless, and will plug in and test tonight. Love the packaging, looks great! However… Since it was shipped from Hong Kong I was forced to pay a rather substantial import fee and duties on this bad boy. I was under the impression that they would be shipped from within the EU? Is it stands now I’m EUR 27,00 poorer :(
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    https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/24534862
    Emil Borconi-Szedressy 2 days ago
    PROJECT OWNER
    Looks like you are in the UK which is outside EU and also there is no way to pre-pay taxes with shipping company any more either....


    This is a crazy. An additional $10 was already taken for delivery and it was meant to ship from the EU. I suspect the units have been shipped by Royal Mail / Dutch post. The Royal Mail rips off people in the UK because they add another £11 in admin fees on top of the 20% VAT even though goods up to £135 should be exempt.
    See https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...s-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021

    So not only has VAT been charged coming into the EU from China, it has also been charged coming into the UK ON TOP of the VAT already paid in the EU.

    This is just rubbish. What the guys need to do is either ship it from Hong Kong which can cost £0.20 (there are hundreds of chinese ebay and aliexpress sellers doing this already
    See http://www.vatfraud.org/blog/stop-s...ons-universal-postal-union-upu-terminal-dues/
    The $10 postage already taken should then be refunded.

    The other way round it is send the item from Hong Kong and to mark the item as a gift and providing it is below £39 there is NO VAT to pay and NO Royal mail admin fee. Actually as the original product was $57 - roughly £41.25 This wouldn't be a crime seeing as we have had to wait soo long. This could also mean the $10 delivery could be refunded

    The other way is to ship it via fedex and state the ex-vat cost coming from china and then add 20% vat that the developer should be paying to the UK HMRC.

    Sadly if that doesn't take place, EVERYONE IN THE UK will feel ripped off because of the poor delivery and poor choices made by the developers.

    Cheers
    Disgruntled in the UK

    First of all, your item wasn't shipped yet since in the June batch, so you could have not payed anything for shipping. Secondly, UK is outside the EU, there was a vote about this in 2016, so it doesn't matter if the package comes from EU or from HK or from US, it is treated the same, it's an import. If we import it from HK to EU, we will pay import VAT on the product, then when we send it to UK, we claim back that VAT and we should pay VAT in UK, since there is no more free trading between EU and UK.

    Up till recently there was a nice option, to pay VAT and Import duty up-front, when you ship to the UK, but this has been changed and now they requires business outside UK to register with HMRC and do HMRC feeling even if they are residing outside UK, a lot of red tape. Since crowdfunding is not a sale, we can still ship the units to UK, but not sure if we will be able to after the IndieGoGo campaign.

    We are also a EU registered company so we cannot (and will not take advantage) of any loop-holes in systems to sell at ridiculously / unrealistically cheap prices.

    About the user who paid 27 euros, it turned out that user is living in DK, but provided the address as UK so his package traveled the wrong way, hence the extra duties and surcharges.

    Not aware of other users from UK having to pay anything additional when they received the package.