About TMO's 4G

[FastMhz]

So today I was at the mall and I asked a TMO rep about 4G internet. I said, "How will you know if you have 4G?" The rep said "You will see a letter H". I then said, "How do you know if you're on 3G" He said, "You will also see a letter H". I got to admit that is pretty lame. So is there there 4G is basically a tweaked 3G?

Is it really TRUE 4G?

 

[crazifyngers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

marketing is all it is. but hspda+ is pretty fast.

 

[FastMhz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

marketing is all it is. but hspda+ is pretty fast.

What kind of speeds are you getting on your 4G device?

 

[Product F(RED)]

Here's where it gets tricky. LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 are considered 4G (they don't even exist yet). As of yesterday, ITU (the ones who decide what "4G" is) admitted that WiMax and LTE can be called 4G. T-Mobile uses HSPA+, which is basically really fast 3G. However, even as an Evo owner (Sprint uses WiMax), I have to say I'd rather have LTE or at least HSPA+. Why? Because it's always on as long as you're in an area that has it. And on top of that, it doesn't rape your battery like WiMax does. Besides, you shouldn't by a phone based on how fast the internet is. By the phone for its features, build quality, etc. It's faster than what you already have and that's what matters. Plus, you won't be paying extra for the extra speed.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/itu-capitulates-admits-that-the-term-4g-could-apply-to-lte-w/

 

[FastMhz]

Here's where it gets tricky. LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 are considered 4G (they don't even exist yet). As of yesterday, ITU (the ones who decide what "4G" is) admitted that WiMax and LTE can be called 4G. T-Mobile uses HSPA+, which is basically really fast 3G. However, even as an Evo owner (Sprint uses WiMax), I have to say I'd rather have LTE or at least HSPA+. Why? Because it's always on as long as you're in an area that has it. And on top of that, it doesn't rape your battery like WiMax does. Besides, you shouldn't by a phone based on how fast the internet is. By the phone for its features, build quality, etc. It's faster than what you already have and that's what matters. Plus, you won't be paying extra for the extra speed.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/itu-capitulates-admits-that-the-term-4g-could-apply-to-lte-w/

Thank you. Great run down!

 

[crazifyngers]

well like the link says hspda+ is not 4g. none of the "4g" systems are really 4g it is all marketing. that being said on the nexus s which does not have hspda+ chip only a hspda chip here are my results. the top two are wifi results. oh and i'm in phoenix.

 

[Kubernetes]

I don't get what all the furor is about. No one is bound by what the ITU says. At this point 4G just means "better than 3G." It's hard to fault T-Mo. They've got a network that's considerably faster than what has been normal 3G and is comparable to what Sprint calls 4G. From a business perspective there's no way they could surrender the field to Sprint just because of what the ITU and tech geeks say.

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[Product F(RED)]

well like the link says hspda+ is not 4g. none of the "4g" systems are really 4g it is all marketing. that being said on the nexus s which does not have hspda+ chip only a hspda chip here are my results. the top two are wifi results. oh and i'm in phoenix.

Yeah, and like you said, that's without HSPA+. The highest I ever hit on WiMax was around 12 down, but then again I'm in NYC and I get full "4G" from my house (guess I'm by a WiMax access point). I'd be happy with those speeds you posted though. I do tether on occasion, but 99% of the time I don't need anything faster than that. Oh and another reason why HSPA+/LTE are better than WiMax is because LTE and HSPA+ are/are becoming global standards while WiMax is available in a few countries, though not on phones like in the US. Plus WiMax is basically longer-range Wifi which imo is pretty retarded for cellular use, especially considering the battery drain.

As for why I went to Sprint is another story. It's cheaper (or as cheap) as T-Mobile and you get free roaming on Verizon. I love GSM to death, but I'm a college student and I need to get as much as I can for as little as I can Plus the Evo's f*cking awesome, 4G or not.

 

[slowz3r]

I read that the consortium that manages all the standards came out yesterday and said that WiMax, advanced 3g tech(HSPA+) and LTE all classify as 4g

 

[Product F(RED)]

Yup, linked to it in my first post. They admitted they could be called 4G since we're so far off from the original requirements (1 Gbps I believe). What they described as 4G originally should really be 5 or 6G. Pretty steep requirements.

 

[ztm.000]

Is it really TRUE 4G?

No.
10char

 

[slowz3r]

No.
10char

correction

YES

 

[FastMhz]

Now I kinda wish the Nexus S was 4G capable. ****, if it's no extra charge for extra speed. Why not?! Regardless, love the phone.

 

[ztm.000]

correction

YES

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LOOK

 

[slowz3r]

Im
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LOOK

did you miss the part where the international consortium that certifies the mobile broad band technology came out yesterday and said that Advanced 3G (HSPA+) LTE and Wimax are qualifying 4G tech

 

[ztm.000]

did you miss the part where the international consortium that certifies the mobile broad band technology came out yesterday and said that Advanced 3G (HSPA+) LTE and Wimax are qualifying 4G tech

Link or it never happened.

 

[slowz3r]

Link or it never happened.

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/

http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

 

[ztm.000]

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/

http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

Eh, **** man that's still sketchy, with true 4G you're supposed to get way faster speeds, but for now, touche.

 

[slowz3r]

Eh, **** man that's still sketchy, with true 4G you're supposed to get way faster speeds, but for now, touche.

1GBs as a minimum for 4th gen tech, thats extremely high, im pretty sure they where all high when they thought of that number

 

[depii]

LTE 4G in Germany

Germany will be the first country in the EU to deploy high speed, low latency, LTE technology using the 800 MHz digital divided spectrum. Vodafone is one of the first operators to start LTE networks in Germany. The technology should allow for average speeds of 50 Mbit/sec.