Acid proof

[supercoolman]

You calling me fool, dumbass.

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dumbass call fool fool and fool call dumbass dumbass.

now, where will this loop end?

 

[n00b Learner]

Not going to try this on my phone

 

[doministry]

+10, yep too many people throw water proof around even many review experts, which narks me. Because pretty much everything is water resistant that people mention to be water proof.

(Waterproof) - Impervious to or unaffected by water. (Impervious) - Not allowing something to pass through; not penetrable. Water resistance doesn't fit into these categories.

Same goes shatter proof vs shatter restistant

ditto scratch proof vs scratch resistant.

Huge difference in all cases. will all things resistant, there is a limit to its resistance

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Sorry dude, I have never seen any Sony docs that state it is waterproof, all state water resistance and IPX ratings are water resistance ratings not waterproof. Eg WR Watch is IPX8 rated to the depth specified, again this is not waterproof but water resistant. Based on the fact that it is not Impervious to or unaffected by water, you could argue that it is above the specified rating. But it will be certainly affected once you go beyond this limit.

anything that is below IPX7 will never be classified truely as waterproof, because it has a limit to the time spent in water, therefore not impervious to water, but resistant.

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Maybe, maybe not, but very likely that the seals will give in to the pressure of the water beyond that level.

Pressure is the reason watches have limits to the depth.

And I dissagree again not waterproof, again you will see very few manufacturers claim that their products are Waterproof, because at some point electronics WILL become impervious to water.

The instruction says it can stand in the water max 1m deep for 30minutes.
It makes it waterproof.

 

[defsix]

The instruction says it can stand in the water max 1m deep for 30minutes.
It makes it waterproof.

Technically no it doesn't. It makes it IP57. Nothing more, nothing less. The first digit (5) refers to protection against solids; "Protected against quantities of dust that could interfere with satisfactory operation" the second digit (7) refers to protection against liquids; "protected against the effects of temporary immersion" The test is 1m for 30 minutes in water - Both cases as defined by IEC60529

 

[abd_alazeez2002]

dumbass call fool fool and fool call dumbass dumbass.

now, where will this loop end?

Dont worry, I just say it once and not ready to argue anymore.
But I don't like it when someone comes and start to talk s**t about others.

Unless you want to join this loop
Just kidding.

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[egzthunder1]

To keep it simple and adult conversation I guess I will just write lets agree to disagree shall we.

Regards.

Heh... I guess I need to correct myself a bit (and apologize in the process). After reading a bit more into it, I realize now that I was wrong... nowhere (other than in some Sony's marketing materials and lots of press releases by tech blogs) does it state that it is waterproof. It states that the device has water resistance to certain conditions (IPX7 and IPX5). I guess it begs the question as to what waterproof stands for and what actually defines it or qualifies it as such. One could argue that if conditions are <= than the limits, the device could be considered waterproof as long as it stays within those boundaries.

Ahh... the beauties of marketing

 

[Ryland Johnson]

Heh... I guess I need to correct myself a bit (and apologize in the process). After reading a bit more into it, I realize now that I was wrong... nowhere (other than in some Sony's marketing materials and lots of press releases by tech blogs) does it state that it is waterproof. It states that the device has water resistance to certain conditions (IPX7 and IPX5). I guess it begs the question as to what waterproof stands for and what actually defines it or qualifies it as such. One could argue that if conditions are <= than the limits, the device could be considered waterproof as long as it stays within those boundaries.

Ahh... the beauties of marketing

Hiya,

No Problem, I am only pleased you have discovered that the mobile is not, as so many of the general public, think it to be.

BTW, how did I know about this situation? I collect watches and many years ago had a problem with water getting into a watch. It was only after studying the watch criteria that covers a wrist watch did I realise this water resistant 'game' is a con. No other word for it. Take a look at the industry scale for wrist watches below and you will note that a watch rated at 30M is NOT suitable to even be taken into the shower?! I had no idea we took showers at that depth?
Most of the general public purchase a watch, read 30M water resistant and, of course, feel it acceptable to not only shower in it but swim or even snorkel. Not the case and I have never been able to establish how the watch industry gets away with such an awful misrepresentation of what constitutes water resistant.

I fear many, if not most, of the public will also think the Xperia Z to be water proof, its not even truly water resistant as we know it. For example. When the phone is stupidly placed by Sony into a glass of water that water has zero movement. If one takes it into a shower and allows a jet of powerful water to hit the phone it will enter the phone just at it will enter a water resistant watch rated at 10M. Its not just a question of pressure though depth of still water but general water pressure at sea level. Hit the Z with a power car wash hose and water will enter.

I mention this as I sincerely think Sony rather irresponsible for showing the phone sitting in a glass of still water for 30 minutes. It gives us the impression its water proof when nothing could be father from the truth. This will certainly come back and haunt Sony when customers start to return the phone after taking it in the bath or running it under pressured water.

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Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 ATM or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. NOT suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 ATM or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkelling water related work, and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 ATM or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkelling, sailing and water sports. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 ATM or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER’S WATCH L M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out.

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Rather shocking is it not! Moral is, keep it away from water if possible.

Regards.

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The instruction says it can stand in the water max 1m deep for 30minutes.
It makes it waterproof.

Read my previous post before you make a genuine mistake.

Regards.

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The instruction says it can stand in the water max 1m deep for 30minutes.
It makes it waterproof.

Please read my previous post before you make a genuine mistake and ruin your mobile.

Regards

 

[egzthunder1]

Hiya,

No Problem, I am only pleased you have discovered that the mobile is not, as so many of the general public, think it to be.

BTW, how did I know about this situation? I collect watches and many years ago had a problem with water getting into a watch. It was only after studying the watch criteria that covers a wrist watch did I realise this water resistant 'game' is a con. No other word for it. Take a look at the industry scale for wrist watches below and you will note that a watch rated at 30M is NOT suitable to even be taken into the shower?! I had no idea we took showers at that depth?
Most of the general public purchase a watch, read 30M water resistant and, of course, feel it acceptable to not only shower in it but swim or even snorkel. Not the case and I have never been able to establish how the watch industry gets away with such an awful misrepresentation of what constitutes water resistant.

I fear many, if not most, of the public will also think the Xperia Z to be water proof, its not even truly water resistant as we know it. For example. When the phone is stupidly placed by Sony into a glass of water that water has zero movement. If one takes it into a shower and allows a jet of powerful water to hit the phone it will enter the phone just at it will enter a water resistant watch rated at 10M. Its not just a question of pressure though depth of still water but general water pressure at sea level. Hit the Z with a power car wash hose and water will enter.

I mention this as I sincerely think Sony rather irresponsible for showing the phone sitting in a glass of still water for 30 minutes. It gives us the impression its water proof when nothing could be father from the truth. This will certainly come back and haunt Sony when customers start to return the phone after taking it in the bath or running it under pressured water.

..........................................................................................................................................

Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 ATM or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. NOT suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 ATM or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkelling water related work, and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 ATM or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkelling, sailing and water sports. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 ATM or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER’S WATCH L M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out.

..............................................................................................................

Rather shocking is it not! Moral is, keep it away from water if possible.

Regards.

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Read my previous post before you make a genuine mistake.

Regards.

---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:09 PM ----------


Please read my previous post before you make a genuine mistake and ruin your mobile.

Regards

All I have to say is thank you for this post. As a Chemical Engineer who works in instrumentation design and marketing, I guess I should have known better than to trust such a claim...
The IPX5 though states that it is for low pressure water streams anyways. It would be interesting to know how much flow of water over the device we are talking about. A regular garden hose delivers approximately 6 gpm when fully opened (I forget the pressure but it cannot be much more than a few psig as air is so less dense than water... I see that you mentioned an iso standard as well. Would you happen to know if the testing for all these parameters are done by ISO?

This is very informative indeed. Thanks again.

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!

 

[wawyed]

All I have to say is thank you for this post. As a Chemical Engineer who works in instrumentation design and marketing, I guess I should have known better than to trust such a claim...
The IPX5 though states that it is for low pressure water streams anyways. It would be interesting to know how much flow of water over the device we are talking about. A regular garden hose delivers approximately 6 gpm when fully opened (I forget the pressure but it cannot be much more than a few psig as air is so less dense than water... I see that you mentioned an iso standard as well. Would you happen to know if the testing for all these parameters are done by ISO?

This is very informative indeed. Thanks again.

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!

Following your information I've been researching a bit more in deep and I found out this:

Ratings IPX5 and IPX6. Tests for the ratings IPX5 and IPX6 address the possibility of water ingress from a jetting stream. They are conducted using a jet nozzle kit (see Figure 6). Testing to IPX6 requires also a water tank and a high-pressure water source.

To test for compliance with IPX5, the sample is subjected to water jetting from a nozzle with a 6.3-mm-diameter opening at a flow rate of 12.5 L/min (~2.75gpm if i'm not wrong). Each surface of the enclosure is to be tested for 1 minute at a distance from the jet nozzle of 2.5–3.0 m.

Ratings IPX7 and IPX8. Tests for the ratings IPX7 and IPX8 address the possibility of moisture ingress from submersion in water. For IPX7 testing, the sample is submerged for 30 minutes. The lowest point of the enclosure should be 1000 mm below the surface of the water, and the highest point at least 150 mm below the surface.

Compliance with either of these tests does not imply compliance with IPX5 or IPX6 unless the product is marked with both ratings (for example, “IPX5/IPX7”).

source: http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/06/ARG/bisenius.htm

So as you were saying It probably won't support a garden hose firing directly at it but it probably will support taking a shower with it (a shower head usually fires around 1-2gpm if I'm not mistaken.

 

[decadan1977]

Wasn't the Titanic ment to be waterproof?

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[indycar]

Wasn't the Titanic ment to be waterproof?

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was but not icebergproof ......

 

[decadan1977]

was but not icebergproof ......

Lol

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[schaggo]

It is clear that this phone has an awful lot more artificial intelligence than some of its owners.

Made-my-day! I would like to thank you so hard, it would hurt you, probably.


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