Adreno 225 vs "New" Mali 400MP4

[Zzim]

So I have been doing a lot of research looking for what will be better and I am guessing that the Mali 400 is going to out perform the Adreno 225. I wish android had a solid GPU test that would give something close to real world results. But if you take a look at these articles you will see on paper the Adreno is the same as the Apple 4S's Power VR543MP2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3

Now the International version will have the new Exynos 4 Quad (4412) Quad Core Cortex A9 but the US version is rumored to have a Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8960 with the Adreno 225.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview

and here are some other benchmarks just to sum up the difference in performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview


The main thing I am worried about is GPU performance the CPUs in just about every phone out right not seem over kill. I want to make sure the phone I buy will be able to run FPSE(Playstation Emulator) and N64oid(N64 Emulator) smooth. FPSE now has an Open GL plugin that needs a hard core GPU to run well. My Galaxy nexus is just not cutting it anymore.

 

[cmd512]

So............... get the international version.

 

[Zzim]

So............... get the international version.

LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.

Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

 

[cmd512]

LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.

Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.

Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

 

[Zzim]

I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.

Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

 

[urmothersluvr]

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

 

[bala_gamer]

@ Op

did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

 

[Zzim]

@ Op

did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview

That article also show that the GS2(Mali400) and the GS3(Mali400MP4) are different in some way.

 

[cmd512]

Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

At work (average congestion), it's consistently 7Mbps+. In areas of great congestion (the mall, etc), it does slow down, but again, for work E-mails, surfing the web, youtube, etc, I've never had issues. Of course, I'm in Austin, TX as well, and I've heard HSPA+ speeds are very much region specific.

If you can get a line through from work with unlimited everything, they may be able to get you onto the smartphone data plan tier, which some folks have gotten up to 10-11+Mpbs. I'm on the $10 a month unlimited non-smartphone plan, so I think AT&T caps it at around 7.5-8Mpbs. Still though, plenty fast for what I do with my phone.

(And, the unlimited tethering is a blessing when you're in airports and stuff. Our US airports blow as there is almost never free WIFI.)

 

[bala_gamer]

The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview

the scorecharts does shows the new mali400 topping the chart with good margin. what else do you need from a gpu ?

 

[Spartoi]

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.

Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

 

[italia0101]

dude have you seen those scores ? it beats the 4s graphics which we cant deny has a great gpu...

this is more than just an overclocked mali400 ... it may still be a mali400/mp4 but its not just overclocked its remade and has much higher clocks by the look of it

also im not sure about it coming with the s4 pro with adreno 320... i heard its not ready till end of year at earliest.. the mali-400 was the best android gpu and now its the best mobile gpu out atm

 

[bala_gamer]

^^

u are right its not only just overclocked,there are some changes in the hardware part which we will know eventually in the upcoming days. i can easily OC my sgs2 mali400 to 400mhz, but you people know it wont give the same result as sgs3 which has much more pixels than s2

 

[Daemos]

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

More cores doesn't = faster...

Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.

Faster cores > more cores.

The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.

I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

 

[ph00ny]

More cores doesn't = faster...

Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.

Faster cores > more cores.

The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.

I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

Let's be clear on this

CPU vs CPU

Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

 

[Zzim]

Let's be clear on this

CPU vs CPU

Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

Hmmm I don't know about that...

 

[Gene_Bailey]

Hmmm I don't know about that...

I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos 4412 was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful than last year's model. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.

Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.

Like these:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494

And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.

http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview


Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

 

[cmd512]

I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.

Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.

Like these:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494

And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.

http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview


Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

 

[ph00ny]

Hmmm I don't know about that...

Outside of floating point tests such as linpack, CPU benches will even have quad core tegra3 well ahead of the dual core S4

Quadrant, Antutu, etc will all show the same exact same performance gap and it's a big one

Let's get this straight

Main selling points for Dual Core S4 setup = battery life from 28nm die size and integrated LTE

 

[rogeriok]

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.

Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

you are wrong,mali 400mp4 is a quad core gpu while mali 400 is a dual core gpu.
I want to see mali 400mp4 against sgs543mp4