All ROMs are same

[zelendel]

Hmmmm. I know you are the moderator and could be one great ROM developers or something great. But brother not all the members on this websites are developers. I got your point that we should stop complaining and do our own work.

But do you know, the Government is formed by those common people who just voted for it. Developers are important, but when there are no users for their ROMs it will become useless. And we want some new features why can't we ask for it.

You are sadly mistaken about without users then roms would become pointless. We have been doing this long before most users even knew what a smartphone was. Here is a perfect exert from one of my older posts that will help explain things a bit more.

XDA is a developers site
XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only
XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Like Logcats and crash messages. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.
XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.
XDA is not your friends house
XDA is not a democracy
XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.


It is because of alot of users that main developers have given up all together. To many people saying gimme gimme and not willing to help out.

And if you think peoples vote matters then I will let you think that.

 

[gautam.is.sharma]

You are sadly mistaken about without users then roms would become pointless. We have been doing this long before most users even knew what a smartphone was. Here is a perfect exert from one of my older posts that will help explain things a bit more.

XDA is a developers site
XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only
XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Like Logcats and crash messages. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.
XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.
XDA is not your friends house
XDA is not a democracy
XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.


It is because of alot of users that main developers have given up all together. To many people saying gimme gimme and not willing to help out.

And if you think peoples vote matters then I will let you think that.

It matters and will always be. If it wasn't, you would not have came here and gave explanations or fought for devs rights. And the exert is from your post. It is your thought and this is mine.

 

[zelendel]

It matters and will always be. If it wasn't, you would not have came here and gave explanations or fought for devs rights. And the exert is from your post. It is your thought and this is mine.

Its not just my thoughts. That single post almost 1500 thanks for most of the developers on this site. If you want to read the whole thing just click on my banner. I am not here to fight for dev rights. There is nothing to fight for. They do what they do and are not answerable to anyone. Not me, Not you not anyone but themselves. You would be amazed at the development that is and has gone on but is only shared with other developers or advanced users. This is due to people expecting things that they have no right to expect.

 

[jer_ying_fd]

It's funny how users want to make this place the place they want it to be but not what the creator had intended it to be, isn't it zelendel?

 

[forever_lol]

hmmm it looks like unless you are an actor you´re not allowed to criticize any movies or actors....

I don't understand this rant over OP. He just stated the obvious and did it in respectful way, so what's the problem? Everybody is entitled to its own opinion.

 

[hp420]

No one is trying to change the website. Some people just need to realize that just because this is a development site does not mean everyone here has to be a developer. If that were the case you never have testers, themers, etc. Variety is tne spice of life, and a community is only successful when everyone works together to get every job done....and developing apps, roms, etc. are hardly the only job involved in getting it out and running properly, so get off your high horses please.

 

[jer_ying_fd]

No one is trying to change the website. Some people just need to realize that just because this is a development site does not mean everyone here has to be a developer. If that were the case you never have testers, themers, etc. Variety is tne spice of life, and a community is only successful when everyone works together to get every job done....and developing apps, roms, etc. are hardly the only job involved in getting it out and running properly, so get off your high horses please.

I think the problem is that a sizeable portion of non-developers believe that they are entitled to get new features and showed no respect, it's this problem that prompted the forum to become more developer-centric than ever. So to sum it up, users' attitude.

 

[forever_lol]

I respectfully disagree. The vast majority of users, including OP show their respect to developers, and always did. Really small percentage of users have acted like they deserve sth.

I've been observing this board for quite long time and it's always be that way: every time you say slightly critical towards anything/anybody remotely related to development sooner or later you´re gonna get flamed. No matter how constructive and polite your criticism is.
kinda culitc if you ask me.

 

[jer_ying_fd]

I respectfully disagree. The vast majority of users, including OP show their respect to developers, and always did. Really small percentage of users have acted like they deserve sth.

I've been observing this board for quite long time and it's always be that way: every time you say slightly critical towards anything/anybody remotely related to development sooner or later you´re gonna get flamed. No matter how constructive and polite your criticism is.
kinda culitc if you ask me.

I guess you are correct since the threads I go on are generally much more friendlier than what you said

 

[zelendel]

The main thing I see an issue with is simple. You have not right to come down on some one until you have tried to do it yourself.

The OP stated that all roms are the same yet has not once tried to help in any way.

Now people say that not everyone here is a developer. Well this is true but you come here to change that. This site is to help people learn to do things themselves. It is not a rom site, a make my phone cool site, a user site or anything else. It is a site made for developers by developers.

It was also said that features are cut and pasted between roms yet this is also not true. While the features are the same, the code to make the features work across different roms are very different.

Let's take the MIUI battery bar as a perfect example. The base code that was used to make this work has been removed by Google. There are now 4 different codes to get it working again and none of it is the same.

 

[djsubterrain]

MIUI is already available with Kitkat.

The main issue is that, only a single developer is working on it.

Not on Nexus 4 it isn't

 

[zelendel]

No one is trying to change the website. Some people just need to realize that just because this is a development site does not mean everyone here has to be a developer. If that were the case you never have testers, themers, etc. Variety is tne spice of life, and a community is only successful when everyone works together to get every job done....and developing apps, roms, etc. are hardly the only job involved in getting it out and running properly, so get off your high horses please.

This is not completely true. XDA was a site for custom roms long before most even knew what a smart phone was. There were themes and testers then as well. The main difference was that the testers were not only reporting bugs with proper logs but were also offering fixes.

Getting a rom to be stable is not the end game and I think alot of people need to learn that. Developers do this to learn are try new things. Say they have a mod that works right. Yet they are not happy with the way it is coded. So they take the code and redo it. Then it becomes buggy. They redo it again and again until it works the way they want and the coding is how they want. They learned. Learning is the end game here. Roms are secondary.

 

[22sl22]

Not on Nexus 4 it isn't

Yes it is,the current version is based off KitKat, MIUI V5, last updated in December. There is only one maintainer, Lushengduan who makes the rom and then there's Kingzak34 here on XDA who maintains the current thread.

 

[hp420]

This is not completely true. XDA was a site for custom roms long before most even knew what a smart phone was. There were themes and testers then as well. The main difference was that the testers were not only reporting bugs with proper logs but were also offering fixes.

Getting a rom to be stable is not the end game and I think alot of people need to learn that. Developers do this to learn are try new things. Say they have a mod that works right. Yet they are not happy with the way it is coded. So they take the code and redo it. Then it becomes buggy. They redo it again and again until it works the way they want and the coding is how they want. They learned. Learning is the end game here. Roms are secondary.

Please don't take anything I'm about to say personal...none of it is directed at any one person. It's a general open statement to everyone.

Again...we're beating that dead horse....not everyone knows how to code. That doesn't make them useless to this community. Lots of people will try, but it's just not for everyone. I feel like the theme of this conversation has become "developers don't want end users here unless they are also developers" and it's just wrong to think like that....not to mention prejudice in its most literal definition. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, but if you don't like the way XDA is now then there's the door. I'm no dev, and I know 100% I will never be. I also know 100% I'm not leaving because any dev asks me to...so even if I'm the absolute last non-dev here, this site will never again be 100% devs. That's the reality. If any devs don't like that, there's some good news: you know how to code....go start your own website. Isn't that what you tell us non-devs all the time when someone complains?? How's it feel to be told that?? Right...remember it next time.

 

[gautam.is.sharma]

Please don't take anything I'm about to say personal...none of it is directed at any one person. It's a general open statement to everyone.

Again...we're beating that dead horse....not everyone knows how to code. That doesn't make them useless to this community. Lots of people will try, but it's just not for everyone. I feel like the theme of this conversation has become "developers don't want end users here unless they are also developers" and it's just wrong to think like that....not to mention prejudice in its most literal definition. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, but if you don't like the way XDA is now then there's the door. I'm no dev, and I know 100% I will never be. I also know 100% I'm not leaving because any dev asks me to...so even if I'm the absolute last non-dev here, this site will never again be 100% devs. That's the reality. If any devs don't like that, there's some good news: you know how to code....go start your own website. Isn't that what you tell us non-devs all the time when someone complains?? How's it feel to be told that?? Right...remember it next time.

Truth spoken....

 

[zelendel]

Please don't take anything I'm about to say personal...none of it is directed at any one person. It's a general open statement to everyone.

Again...we're beating that dead horse....not everyone knows how to code. That doesn't make them useless to this community. Lots of people will try, but it's just not for everyone. I feel like the theme of this conversation has become "developers don't want end users here unless they are also developers" and it's just wrong to think like that....not to mention prejudice in its most literal definition. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, but if you don't like the way XDA is now then there's the door. I'm no dev, and I know 100% I will never be. I also know 100% I'm not leaving because any dev asks me to...so even if I'm the absolute last non-dev here, this site will never again be 100% devs. That's the reality. If any devs don't like that, there's some good news: you know how to code....go start your own website. Isn't that what you tell us non-devs all the time when someone complains?? How's it feel to be told that?? Right...remember it next time.

Nothing personal.

Its not that anyone is not wanted here. Its that When people want to criticize others that people get upset. As an example. You take your care to a mechanic and then get mad and start calling his work out when you wouldnt even know where to start when you lift the hood.

As for devs starting their own site. The sad new is this is already happening. Many devs have already left the site because of things just like this. While some stay they even still share only their latest and newest development with users by PM or other means.

Its not that developers dont want people here but they do want people to learn. That is the whole point behind this site and why we put soo much into the sections to help teach people.

If people are not here to learn then it makes my wonder just why they are here.

 

[22sl22]

Nothing personal.

Its not that anyone is not wanted here. Its that When people want to criticize others that people get upset. As an example. You take your care to a mechanic and then get mad and start calling his work out when you wouldnt even know where to start when you lift the hood.

As for devs starting their own site. The sad new is this is already happening. Many devs have already left the site because of things just like this. While some stay they even still share only their latest and newest development with users by PM or other means.

Its not that developers dont want people here but they do want people to learn. That is the whole point behind this site and why we put soo much into the sections to help teach people.

If people are not here to learn then it makes my wonder just why they are here.

+1

I agree with you.

XDA and rooting has almost become too popular that some people just don't understand what goes on 'behind the scenes' so to speak to get roms and things working. Thus they expect too much because they don't really care about the developer, they just want to make their phone look and feel cool. (I know i'm generalizing but bear with me)

I also disagree, not everyone has to learn, they just need to be understanding and they need to read before posting. It's perfectly fine if your'e not a developer or don't know how to code

But at certain times iv'e just stopped answering q and a threads and stopped posting on XDA just because of the constant repetitive questions, I know that's a terrible thing to do but how many users just create an account and ask straight away without reading. How many silver spoons have to be fed to people? Like you said, this is causing more and more developers to leave the site which makes good roms harder to find. Before, most people used Goo.Im and they used to have a really good system in which you could see popular rom uploads, things that weren't on XDA but now no more..........

Anyway, like hp240 said, we are all flogging a dead horse over and over, I see no point for this thread to continue

 

[prog19]

This thread should be closed, indeed.

I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive

 

[zelendel]

I agree. This has gone on long enough. Thread closed