Am I screwed?

[Glaux]

Today my Fire TV Stick auto-updated to 5.0.5.1. It was rooted with Kingroot, but I've been too busy to get around to blocking updates or anything else.

Is there any hope to ever root it again?

 

[bula1ca]

Today my Fire TV Stick auto-updated to 5.0.5.1. It was rooted with Kingroot, but I've been too busy to get around to blocking updates or anything else.

Is there any hope to ever root it again?

For now it is no other way to root it if upgraded to OS5.0.5.1

 

[guiso98]

Check aftvnews.com There is a method to root with the usb cable working on your OS version

 

[Bramton1]

Check aftvnews.com There is a method to root with the usb cable working on your OS version

Not with a stick.

 

[Calibaan]

AFAIK there is no regular root besides Kingroot known for the stick.

 

[Glaux]

Well, turns out it doesn't matter because the device is ****ed now for some reason. It has trouble booting up and won't even detect my WiFi AP.

I wonder if it's because of the update.

 

[Y314K]

Well, turns out it doesn't matter because the device is ****ed now for some reason. It has trouble booting up and won't even detect my WiFi AP.

I wonder if it's because of the update.

Have you tried to uninstall any apps you installed & then doing a factory reset ? Wonder if KingRoot left some stuff behind that are messing things up too.

 

[gdroid666]

sorry to but in here
but can i root and block OTA on brand new stick?
can i get root if my stick is not already setup new out of the box?
or do i have to update from whatever fw it shipped with to the latest to get adb and unknown apps turned on?

 

[Y314K]

sorry to but in here
but can i root and block OTA on brand new stick?
can i get root if my stick is not already setup new out of the box?
or do i have to update from whatever fw it shipped with to the latest to get adb and unknown apps turned on?

It depends what FW it comes with & if it comes with any FW update baked in. And if it comes with rootable FW. Then how fast can you turn ADB Debugging ON & run the "Block Update" commands.

All the best guides are found here: http://www.aftvnews.com/start/

Note: FTVS's = 1st-gen

The 1st-gen Fire TV can be rooted, using an app called KingRoot, if it is running software version 5.0.0 thru 5.0.5. Custom recovery and pre-rooted ROMs that are compatible with KingRoot rooted devices are currently in the works and will be released soon. Until those become available, it is recommended that you block software updates to ensure your Fire TV remains on a rootable software version and wait for custom recovery to be released. Once the pre-rooted ROMs and custom recovery are released, I will write a guide for rooting the Fire TV running 5.0.0 to 5.0.5 and update this page. It is important to block updates because Fire TV software version 5.0.5.1 and up block the KingRoot rooting method.

This is what I would try:

• I would connect the FTVS to a routers Wifi that does NOT have internet working (By unplugging the modems Cat5 cable that goes from the modem to the router). I would turn on the internet once I got to the login/register Amazon Account page. As soon as I got past the login/register Amazon Account page I would disabled the internet again (By unplugging the modems Cat5 cable that goes from the modem to the router) while keeping the internetless wifi still working. Then I would rush to turn on ADB Debugging while also checking the FW version it came on. Then on that same internetless router I would block updates thru ADB.
  Using Method 2 of this guide: http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-block-software-updates-on-the-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/

Just tested unplugging my modem Cat5 cable from my router. Although I did get a nag saying Network Error. I was just able dismiss it & continue on to the Settings. So I believe it should work. The trick is to give it enough internet to get past the login screen but not enough to download the latest FW update. And then BLOCK THE UPDATES THRU ADB DEBUGGING OFFLINE but still thru your router.

Then you can continue to ROOT if that's what you want. But there are no PreRooted FW for 1st Gen devices at this time. But soon there will be.

NOTE: If the latest FW 5.0.5.1 is already baked in from factory then there is nothing that can be done. But I think is to soon for devices to start showing like that.

 

[gdroid666]

thanks but in episode 34 of AFTV new he specifically says he has a guide specifically for getting past the initial update on a brand new fire tv stick, but i can not find it on the website, it asks what device you are rooting then it asks what FW you have but i obviously can't see that , i need the instructions for blocking initial update so his start guide needs to be updated to include and option like new fire tv stick unknown FW black ck initial update
he says in episode 34 that you can link tot eh guide for blocking intitial update on a new device from the root start guide but i cant find it
NM i found the guide

 

[Y314K]

thanks but in episode 34 of AFTV new he specifically says he has a guide specifically for getting past the initial update on a brand new fire tv stick, but i can not find it on the website, it asks what device you are rooting then it asks what FW you have but i obviously can't see that , i need the instructions for blocking initial update so his start guide needs to be updated to include and option like new fire tv stick unknown FW black ck initial update
he says in episode 34 that you can link tot eh guide for blocking intitial update on a new device from the root start guide but i cant find it
NM i found the guide

He linked it on the Eps. 34 notes:

http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-complete-the-fire-tv-initial-setup-without-updating/

 

[gdroid666]

He linked it on the Eps. 34 notes:

thanks i already found it but here is one thing i do not understand
he says you can use open DNS to block the amazon update servers to prevent the initial update but is this not impossible?
how can you possibly do this? don't you have to get past the setup screen and initial update to access the setting menu on the fire tv stick?
so how could you configure it to use open DNS if you can't get into settings until after you update and set it up?
is there some other way of accessing settings menu without going through initial setup? would this not defeat the whole purpose? if i can get into settings i can turn on adb and block updates, or is there a way to make it use open DNS without getting into the settings menu, this does not even make sense
correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you already need to be past the initial setup to get into the settings menu to configure the fire tv stick to use open DNS in the 1st place?

 

[Y314K]

thanks i already found it but here is one thing i do not understand
he says you can use open DNS to block the amazon update servers to prevent the initial update but is this not impossible?
how can you possibly do this? don't you have to get past the setup screen and initial update to access the setting menu on the fire tv stick?
so how could you configure it to use open DNS if you can't get into settings until after you update and set it up?
is there some other way of accessing settings menu without going through initial setup? would this not defeat the whoele purpose? if i can get into settings i can turn on adb and block updates, or is there a way to make it use open DNS without getting into the settings menu, this does not even make sense
correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you already need to be past the intial setup to get into the settings menu to configure the fire tv stick to use open DNS int he 1st place?

That is why I wrote the instructions I wrote. It's much faster to only plug in the Cat5e cable for internet to the router just to get past the Amazon login/registration page then to change DNS settings on the device. Once you have unplugged the internet Ca5e cable from your router. Then you have all the time in the world to mess with settings (ADB Debbuging &/or DNS) on the device. You might even be able to Root the device OFFLine (Although I've never read someone do it this way).

Plugging & plugging the internet Cat5e cable will only take seconds to get past the login/register screen. We are hopping those seconds will not be enough time for the update to download.

---------- Post added at 12:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:43 PM ----------

Hold on. Testing something out right now.

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@gdroid666

Blocking thru OpenDNS first should work fine. Since When you first boot your FTVS you will first be ask to connect to a Network before you are asked to login/register to an Amazon account. There should be an "Advanced" option when assigning your Wifi values. Which will let you input OpenDNS settings like in the 2nd Option of the following guide.

http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-manu...server-on-an-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/

Make sure you follow the "Configure password protected Wireless Connection". But use the OpenDNS values: 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 . Make sure you have already created an OpenDNS account & registered your IP on that account. AKA follow the guides over a AFTVNews.com

 

[gdroid666]

That is why I wrote the instructions I wrote. It's much faster to only plug in the Cat5e cable for internet to the router just to get past the Amazon login/registration page then to change DNS settings on the device. Once you have unplugged the internet Ca5e cable from your router. Then you have all the time in the world to mess with settings (ADB Debbuging &/or DNS) on the device. You might even be able to Root the device OFFLine (Although I've never read someone do it this way).

Plugging & plugging the internet Cat5e cable will only take seconds to get past the login/register screen. We are hopping those seconds will not be enough time for the update to download.

yes i plan on doing that and also on blocking the update domains in my router too
i am just wondering why he would tell us to do something that is impossible to do
also i watched his video so if i do the unplug the cable bit then do i do it both times or just 1st time? there is 2 points where he says to kill the internet
nothing this guy says makes any god damn sense
1st thing he tells us to do is physically impossible the = watch his video
in his video he shows he already has a wifi connection setup and he lets it check for updates, then he does it again and says to kill the internet connection before it gets to the checking for updates step so which is it?let it go to check for updates or don;t let it go to check for updates? why does he do it twice?, i don't understand this **** at all ,
and people are reporting that blocking the updates in the router is not working so if i followed his guide i would be updated because he let it go to checking for updates and depended on router blocking which is reported as not reliable

 

[Y314K]

yes i plan on doing that and also on blocking the update domains in my router too
i am just wondering why he would tell us to do something that is impossible to do
also i watched his video so if i do the unplug the cable bit then do i do it both times or just 1st time? there is 2 points where he says to kill the internet
nothing this guy says makes any god damn sense
1st thing he tells us to do is physically impossible the = watch his video
in his video he shows he already has a wifi connection setup and he lets it check for updates, then he does it again and says to kill the internet connection before it gets to the checking for updates step so which is it?let it go to check for updates or don;t let it go to check for updates? why does he do it twice?, i don't understand this **** at all ,
and people are reporting that blocking the updates in the router is not working so if i followed his guide i would be updated because he let it go to checking for updates and depended on router blocking which is reported as not reliable

I think your just misreading things. I base everything I do to my FTV(S)'s on AFTVNews.com guides. I just tweak things to fit my exact options. Elias knows what he is doing. And I completely trust him & his guides. There has been a bunch of changes the last week. But his guides have been updated & are still correct. I will try to explain the parts you are misreading. I always make sure I understand all the steps I am going to take before modding anything. Your doing what I would do. And that is to ask ?'s until I understand things. Will try to help you. Gonna refresh my recollection of his video walk-thru & will post back an explanation of the steps & my recommendations.

 

[gdroid666]

I think your just misreading things. I base everything I do to my FTV(S)'s on AFTVNews.com guides. I just tweak things to fit my exact options. Elias knows what he is doing. And I completely trust him & his guides. There has been a bunch of changes the last week. But his guides have been updated & are still correct. I will try to explain the parts you are misreading. I always make sure I understand all the steps I am going to take before modding anything. Your doing what I would do. And that is to ask ?'s until I understand things. Will try to help you. Gonna refresh my recollection of his video walk-thru & will post back an explanation of the steps & my recommendations.

yeah i'm sure he know what he is doing but his video on preventing initial update was not good
i am about to say F it and give up my router sucks and website blocking is not working , never but linksys/ cisco they ripped me off and their product is awful
i never used blocking before but it does not work this is just too complicated to do i give up
F it i will just return it and buy an android box
i know nothing about networking and i HATE having to mess with my router and settings i never do and now i get in there and do everything i read to do and it does not block anything i put in there
i never used open DNS before either and do not know which IP i am supposed to link it to, home IP what is that? IP v4 , IPv6 where do i even get that? cmd , ipconfig?
i really know nothing about networking or routers or DNS

 

[Y314K]

@gdroid666

1. AFTVNews guides are made for multiple devices @ different steps of the process. This might confuse some. But reviewing & asking ?'s should help those few.
2. Make sure you understand step by step what you are doing before getting started.
3. Don't get fixated on the video or anything you don't understand right now. You will get thru it.
4. No ? is a dumb ?. Even if you have to ask it dozens of time until you get an answer you understand.
5. Try to be as specific as possible so nothing falls thru the cracks.

All the info below has been glean from AFTVNews.com guides.

Your specific ? was how to block updates & root a FTVS that is NIB (New In Box).

• Blocking updates thru the router is not dependable anymore. Amazon started to use HTTPS which most routers can not block.
  
• Blocking updates thru the OpenDNS method is the only option to block updates before an FTVS ever goes online.
  
• After blocking the updates thru OpenDNS then you block the update thru ADB. And that should get you set until there is a ROM for FTVS's. You can choose to root now or to wait.
  
• All this steps have guides. And they are very easy to follow. I can do a breakdown for you if you want.

 

[gdroid666]

ok trying to setup an open DNS account but this guide leaves out tons of stuff it is asking me all kinds of stuff like what kinds of device, i picked router , what router , i picked my brand linksys, my model is not listed now it wants me to go into the router and put in all kinds of settings, etc etc etc do i have to do all of this i have no idea what i am doing here

 

[Y314K]

ok trying to setup an open DNS account but this guide leaves out tons of stuff it is asking me all kinds of stuff like what kinds of device, i picked router , what router , i picked my brand linksys, my model is not listed now it wants me to go into the router and put in all kinds of settings, etc etc etc do i have to do all of this i have no idea what i am doing here

http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-block-software-updates-on-the-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/#router

Only follow the Method 4 Guide. You should be able to skip setting up your router info. And only setup the parts in the guide. And you shouldn't do any changes in your router. Actually setting up your router shouldn't be to difficult. And would give the best results. But IT IS NOT REQUIRED for the block to work. As long as your IP doesn't change constantly. And specially when your booting up the FTVS for the first time. Also finding your IP address is easy. You should be able to get it from https://dnsleaktest.com & from https://www.myip.ms & tons of other website. I only run on iPv4. So check to make sure what iPv your ISP runs on. And report back.

 

[gdroid666]

http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-block-software-updates-on-the-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/#router

Only follow the Method 4 Guide. You should be able to skip setting up your router info. And only setup the parts in the guide. And you shouldn't do any changes in your router. Also finding your IP address is easy. You should be able to get it from https://dnsleaktest.com & from https://www.myip.ms & tons of other website. I only run on iPv4. So check to make sure what iPv your ISP runs on. And report back.

i don't know the guide is incomplete when i try and set up the account for open DNS the home one it says , it says i have to chose a device there are 4 options home router, computer workstations and laptops ,smart devices and servers
i chose home router (recommended)
then it asks what brand i pick my brand , linksys, then it asks what model , my model is not listed i pick generic configuration , then it says to go into router settings and enter these numbers/ addresses for static DNS 1 ,2, 3
i did that and saved the settings in my router then it says next test your new settings, but everytime i do it it just says failed and then loops me back to the pick device page again , one big loop i can not complete the open DNS registration setup , what do i do?