Amazon Fire HD 8 (2022, 12th gen.) - Disabling System Apps

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BinkyPelegreene

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I'm considering buying a Fire HD8 gen10 off Ebay. The page explaining how to use the Fire Box v30.2, "Getting Started" section, advises unchecking a box before completing the purchase from Amazon. I won't have this option via Ebay and don't want to update the OS on first boot up. Any suggestions?
 

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(Couldn't find a fire HD8 gen10 thread)

I'm considering buying a Fire HD8 gen10 off Ebay. The page explaining how to use the Fire Box v30.2, "Getting Started" section, advises unchecking a box before completing the purchase from Amazon. I won't have this option via Ebay and don't want to update the OS on first boot up. Any suggestions?
when you get to network connection dont connect, hit back and skip it. Used to work anyways....
 

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I just got my Fire 8 2022 last week and it was running 8.3.1.1 out of the box. I took the plunge and updated to 8.3.1.4 since I could just exchange it if I wanted to start over. I am able to install the Play Store and disable system apps even with the latest update. I did disable system updates after that.

One thing I have noticed is with Gboard and perhaps other Google apps. Even after updated Play Services, I get an error that my devices must have Google Play Services to run Gboard. I eventually got it to work, but I continued to get that notification.
 

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I just got my Fire 8 2022 last week and it was running 8.3.1.1 out of the box. I took the plunge and updated to 8.3.1.4 since I could just exchange it if I wanted to start over. I am able to install the Play Store and disable system apps even with the latest update. I did disable system updates after that.

One thing I have noticed is with Gboard and perhaps other Google apps. Even after updated Play Services, I get an error that my devices must have Google Play Services to run Gboard. I eventually got it to work, but I continued to get that notification.
Thanks for posting. I had done the same myself, but hadn't got around to posting the results. As you said, you can still disable system apps with 8.3.1.4 but the minor issues I have had with 8.3.1.3 have not been fixed: you can't sync your bookmarks with a recent version of Chrome, though you can get around this by installing a version from a couple of years ago (Chrome 81.0.4044.138 works), syncing, then updating to the latest version. Though the update will stop any further syncing with Chrome. Also, recent versions of Google Calendar crash while trying to complete setup: Calendar_2020.40.1-336039884-release works, but cannot be updated. I downloaded the old versions of Chrome and Google Calendar from the Uptodown appstore.
I have not found any advantages to the 8.3.1.4 update compared to 8.3.1.3 and one minor, but annoying disadvantage. If you disable system apps that have desktop icons, e.g. Amazon Kids (com.amazon.tahoe) the icon disappears from the desktop, but appears again a while later, though the app is still disabled.
 
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I have posted an app to disable apps, including system apps, by running a tool from adb that gives an apk privileges to moderate other apks without root.
See the link here:
 

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    I bought an Amazon Fire HD 8 and a HD 8 Plus (12 gen. 2022) during the Black Friday sales. Both were running the original firmware, OS 8.3.1.1 out of the box. When the HD 8 (2020) was updated to OS 7.3.2.2, Amazon blocked the ability to stop system apps from being disabled. This is not the case with OS 8.3.1.1 on the 2022 model. If you enable developer options and USB debugging, then open an ADB shell on an attached PC and run the following command
    Code:
    pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
    this disables OTA firmware updates. This also works for other system apps (e.g. com.amazon.kindle.kso) so you can disable the lockscreen ads.
    I presume they blocked this in later versions (8.3.1.2 and 8.3.1.3): it would be interesting to know if this is the case?
    Also, blocking OTA updates prevents Amazon stock apps from being updated. If someone could send me a link to the latest versions of Amazon system webview, Amazon Shopping and Amazon Appstore apps for the 12th gen. HD 8 I would be grateful.
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    HOLY CRAP - such news about the latest Amazon tab allowing privileged access to system apps only got 152 views in a week?! similar news a few years back would have generate a few pages of replies!!

    put it in another way - for $55, u get a hexa-core tab w/ 2GB RAM and 8" HD display AND Amazon is allowing u to disable its annoying system apps OUT-OF-BOX!

    Amazon has had launch-day bugs before like the Fire HD 10 2019 was launched w/o blocking mtk-su hack even though Amazon had the patch months ago. That gave temporary root access to tabs at launch. This one seems to be even worse (or better ;)) because u get access out-of-box.

    What is the big deal u ask? the privileged access let u disable all annoying Amazon apps like lock-screen ads, silk browser n fire launcher. u can disable them n replace w/ chrome brower n nova launcher.


    Checking on Amazon firmware update page here - current firmware for Fire HD 8 2022 has been updated to 8.3.1.2. according to internet archive, 8.3.1.1 for Fire HD 8 2022 was never released on that page. so buying the tab now and disabling the update app is the only way to keep 8.3.1.1.

    if anyone else has bought the tab, please check the firmware ver. would be VERY interesting to see if this access has been removed in 8.3.1.2. this is enticing enough that i may consider buying one to play.

    @MontysEvilTwin - the webview n appstore for FireOS are different from the Android versions on Play store so i think u have to extract the individual apk files from the update package.


    edit: look around on the web - no one has mentioned access to sys apps. but the newest firmware is 8.3.1.3 n u may need it if u wanna sideload Play store.
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    Thank you for the reports @jmtyra and @yetiuk ! I opted for a Fire HD 10 2021 and it will arrive on Monday. Will disable wifi n see which rev. hopefully it is at 8.3.1.1

    really curious to see if the ADB access to disabling system apps remains in 8.3.1.2 and 8.3.1.3

    @MontysEvilTwin everything else to fix Play first but as a last resort, seems like a lot of ppl updated to 8.3.1.3 and that fixes the issues w/ Google Play. good luck!
    Unfortunately it is only the 12th generation, 2022 tablets, the Fire 7 and Fire HD 8 that come with OS 8 installed, the Fire HD 10 will come with OS 7. After OS 7.3.2.1 Amazon stopped system apps being from being disabled with a simple ADB command.

    I am not keen to update from OS 8.3.1.1 to 8.3.1.3 until I know if Amazon have blocked system apps from being disabled with this update.
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    Great news! I've recently got a 12th gen Fire HD 8 and updated to the latest firmware (8.3.1.3). I am able to confirm that disabling apps using an adb command still works just fine, I was able to disable com.amazon.kindle.kso and prime music and they haven't been reenabled by a reboot, at least so far.

    Thank YOU, @maximus9793 !!

    I read somewhere that 8.3.1.3 is the firmware with fixes to allow Google Play Store to run smoothly. So ADB still has access to disable system apps after the update, then that is great news indeed!

    It is a personal choice - keep getting firmware update or disable update so as to keep ADB access. But if you want to disable Amazon auto firmware update, run the following commands:

    pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota

    pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota

    enjoy :)
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    Great news! I've recently got a 12th gen Fire HD 8 and updated to the latest firmware (8.3.1.3). I am able to confirm that disabling apps using an adb command still works just fine, I was able to disable com.amazon.kindle.kso and prime music and they haven't been reenabled by a reboot, at least so far.