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the_dealer

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Hope this ain't no fools joke. Can't wait to get twrp and root on my s10e

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I'm on SM-G9730 (from Hong Kong). This rocks for me:
  1. Go to Settings, scroll all the way down to Developer options, and toggle OEM unlocking. It will issue a warning telling you security features might not work. If you want to keep going, then unlock it anyway.
  2. Still in developer mode, activate USB debugging.
  3. On a Windows PC, install Samsung's Android USB driver for Windows. You can download it from this official link: https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/others/android-usb-driver-for-windows
  4. Next you have to reboot in download mode…
  5. If you entered proper download mode, you will see a screen with a big "WARNING" about installing custom OSes. You have three options. Click volume up once to continue to regular download mode. Click and hold the volume up key to unlock your bootloader. And click volume down to cancel and restart. Obviously, you'll want to long press the volume up key.
  6. Once you do that, and other screen pops up asking you if you really want to unlock the bootloader, saying that it will wipe your personal data. From what I read, it's not supposed to wipe out SD cards, but I didn't take a chance and pulled mine out before going through the process. If you're okay with that, press volume up. Your phone will reboot, and a black screen I failed to photograph will pop up saying that your system is insecure (or something like that) and needs to wipe your data. It says to press the power key to continue. If you don't press the key, it will reboot again anyway and wipe your data on its own, so you don't really have anything to do from there on. It's simply going to be like a factory reset.
 
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AaronCompNetSys

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Reading over John's tweets, it looks like he's making a custom recovery that would be used in place of TWRP, which will install/enable Magisk and root. If you hold a key down during boot, Magisk recovery will instead load normal recovery such as stock or TWRP.

I'm glad he's tackling the install process as well, as rooting while keeping encryption has always been a pain.

I've always used his software, but this round I took the time to sign up to support him on Patreon.
 

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Reading over John's tweets, it looks like he's making a custom recovery that would be used in place of TWRP, which will install/enable Magisk and root. If you hold a key down during boot, Magisk recovery will instead load normal recovery such as stock or TWRP.

I'm glad he's tackling the install process as well, as rooting while keeping encryption has always been a pain.

I've always used his software, but this round I took the time to sign up to support him on Patreon.

Awesome. I couldn't do Patreon, but I sent him a small donation via Paypal, too. I hope it'll work on the Snapdragon variants soon after it comes out for the Exynos one.
 
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Thanks for your opinions... I'd say the chances of sending the Exynos back is at about 30%. I also believe, that more development is going to be for Exynos and that is my main argument.
I'm not such a complicated person, but I chose the S10 in favor for the Mate 20 Pro, because of the unlockable bootloader and (future-proof) root. Currently I rarely play something - if so, the tendency of choosing the Snapdragon would be much higher. I'm more interested in doing productive things... or watching videos....
Root is an absolute must for me, but that's only the start of the story. It continues with (Ed)Xposed and god knows where it ends. Yes, LinageOS would be nice, but that might also easier happen for Exynos...

According to the latest findings / the newer update (asc8) the battery on Exynos improved a whole lot, which was to be expected imho. But no way the performance will come any closer to the snappy.

Without words: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review
Ironically I still have the G973F in the sealed box, but the chance of returning it is now somewhat at 50%. Performance ok... but also Audio and Camera... WTF... :(
 

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Without words: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review
Ironically I still have the G973F in the sealed box, but the chance of returning it is now somewhat at 50%. Performance ok... but also Audio and Camera... WTF... :(

Honestly, meh. The difference wasn't that bad in most situations. One advantage of the Snapdragon is that Gcam works on it, so you can use Night Sight with it. But honestly, cellphones seldomly give me images that I would use for non-documentary purposes anyway compared to my dedicated camera. In that respect, I think both variants are more or less as usable as the other. If I want better, I use a dedicated camera. Plain and simple. You might see this as a deal breaker, but... Is it really?
 
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Heya all, i havent been in the android scene for yearssssss now and just got a galaxy s10e from HK (unlocked snapdragon)

is root available for this model yet?
 

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Heya all, i havent been in the android scene for yearssssss now and just got a galaxy s10e from HK (unlocked snapdragon)

is root available for this model yet?

Root isn't available for the Snapdragon models as far as I know, and it's in beta (Magisk is) for Exynos. I think it will become available to SD models too after a bit.
 
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Honestly, meh. The difference wasn't that bad in most situations. One advantage of the Snapdragon is that Gcam works on it, so you can use Night Sight with it. But honestly, cellphones seldomly give me images that I would use for non-documentary purposes anyway compared to my dedicated camera. In that respect, I think both variants are more or less as usable as the other. If I want better, I use a dedicated camera. Plain and simple. You might see this as a deal breaker, but... Is it really?
That depends how you see it... imho the performance drawbacks are somewhat negligible as both versions are more than fine more my usage, that is I rarely play games on the phone. I use it primarily to work / office / internet, to make photos and to hear music... so to be honest: I don't care if a guy posts a SpeedG video, which compares both versions in terms of performance (if they are somewhat close in that regard... and: no offence to anybody here). But the more I think about it, the more probable it is, that I'm sending it back and get the Snapdragon variant. In the end it's just a bit of a hassle... I just wait for the confirmation regarding Magisk and (Ed)Xposed, otherwise I will surely keep the Exynos one... no root is a deal-breaker for me - otherwise I would have gotten the Mate 20 Pro. Thanks for your statement regarding GCam, I've realized that puzzle piece two days ago.
 

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That depends how you see it... imho the performance drawbacks are somewhat negligible as both versions are more than fine more my usage, that is I rarely play games on the phone. I use it primarily to work / office / internet, to make photos and to hear music... so to be honest: I don't care if a guy posts a SpeedG video, which compares both versions in terms of performance (if they are somewhat close in that regard... and: no offence to anybody here). But the more I think about it, the more probable it is, that I'm sending it back and get the Snapdragon variant. In the end it's just a bit of a hassle... I just wait for the confirmation regarding Magisk and (Ed)Xposed, otherwise I will surely keep the Exynos one... no root is a deal-breaker for me - otherwise I would have gotten the Mate 20 Pro. Thanks for your statement regarding GCam, I've realized that puzzle piece two days ago.

Root is coming soon for the Exynos version, but it'll take longer for the Snapdragon one, so it might be past your return window by the time it comes out.
 

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@jonathanfv: That's exactly what I'm afraid of... Still I'm eagerly waiting for the release notes of Magisk's S10. I didn't hear any word regarding the compatibility with Qualcomm based S10s in that regard... Sure it might take longer, but that question was never answered afaik...
 
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@jonathanfv: That's exactly what I'm afraid of... Still I'm eagerly waiting for the release notes of Magisk's S10. I didn't hear any word regarding the compatibility with Qualcomm based S10s in that regard... Sure it might take longer, but that question was never answered afaik...

I know, I'm wondering too. I think that once it's figured out on the Exynos version, the next step is to port it and make it work, as the structure of the various systems (I don't know them) that have to be tempered with is likely the same but on different hardware. I don't think it would be very hard for John to do, but I'm afraid he probably won't bother with the Snapdragon version, leaving the port for someone else to figure out.

Edit: I'm saying it'll have to be ported because I read that the solution to make Magisk work was to install its own custom bootloader, and as far as I can tell bootloaders always need to be device specific. With that said, maybe it's easy enough to port. I don't know. Maybe I could use my old phone to do some tests when I have time and see if I can port versions of TWRP for it without bricking it. If that works, maybe I'll try it with my own S10+ too.
 
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    Okay, so I'm posting this to confirm: the bootloader on SM-G9750 is absolutely unlockable. I just did it. Huge thanks to @warking for pointing out the need for the USB drivers. Here were the steps (before taking those steps, make sure to back everything up):

    1. Go to Settings/About phone/Software information, and tap on build number until developer mode is activated
    2. Go to Settings, scroll all the way down to Developer options, and toggle OEM unlocking. It will issue a warning telling you security features might not work. If you want to keep going, then unlock it anyway.
    3. Still in developer mode, activate USB debugging.
    4. On a Windows PC, install Samsung's Android USB driver for Windows. You can download it from this official link: https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/others/android-usb-driver-for-windows
    5. Next you have to reboot in download mode. In order to do that, shut your phone down and boot again holding volume down, Bixby and power keys. Make sure your phone is connected to your computer through USB. Here's a note: the first time I tried to boot to download mode, it didn't work, it just booted normally. I needed to fist boot to recovery and then use the option to reboot to bootloader in order to be able to directly boot to download mode afterwards. If that is your case, you boot to recovery by shutting down your phone and then powering it up holding power, Bixby and volume up keys. Alternatively, you can use USB debugging to make your phone reboot to recovery through the command "adb reboot recovery" from the SDK Platform Tools. Also note that for me, I only got to "proper" download mode from using the keys to power my phone up. It wouldn't go to proper download mode if I went from recovery or from adb command. And your phone has to be connected to your computer when you do it.
    6. If you entered proper download mode, you will see a screen with a big "WARNING" about installing custom OSes. You have three options. Click volume up once to continue to regular download mode. Click and hold the volume up key to unlock your bootloader. And click volume down to cancel and restart. Obviously, you'll want to long press the volume up key.
    7. Once you do that, and other screen pops up asking you if you really want to unlock the bootloader, saying that it will wipe your personal data. From what I read, it's not supposed to wipe out SD cards, but I didn't take a chance and pulled mine out before going through the process. If you're okay with that, press volume up. Your phone will reboot, and a black screen I failed to photograph will pop up saying that your system is insecure (or something like that) and needs to wipe your data. It says to press the power key to continue. If you don't press the key, it will reboot again anyway and wipe your data on its own, so you don't really have anything to do from there on. It's simply going to be like a factory reset.
    8. If you go to Settings/Developer options, your OEM unlocking option should be greyed out, and underneath it should be written "Bootloader already unlocked".

    That's it. Your Snapdragon S10 series phone now has an unlocked bootloader. It probably looks much the same as for the Exynos variant, but it goes to show that SM-G9750 (Hong Kong and Chinese) models can have their bootloaders unlocked. I do think that depending on the amount of development you need, SM-G97x0 are excellent models to get, and I hope that more people will get them and work on them.

    Note: Some other sites say you need to toggle OEM unlocking in developer mode, then remove your Samsung account, then install CROM and use it to unlock your bootloader. This does not work. Don't waste your time with it. Also, certain sites report that Samsung has a security feature that makes it so that people have to wait one week before being able to unlock their bootloader after having toggled OEM unlocking. This was not my case, but it could be the case for others. I don't know at this point. But keep that in mind.
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    Can someone please gove me reason why root is still so important?

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    Dude. It's. A. Phone.

    LOL

    Man, these marketing departments are amazing, convincing people that a phone is a way of life. :)

    You are wrong.

    It's a tool.

    It is more than that. It's an enormous set of tools.

    When my wife and mother got cancer (at the same time unbelievably) and I had to act as quick and as organized as possible, I realized that this isn't just a phone.

    Having the tools to:
    Record calls and later on listen at any time to complicated instructions at length
    Buy plain tickets on the move
    Scan documents and make them into pdf files
    Send these documents
    Carry with you all the MRI and other scans in your phone memory and have them handy if /when needed
    Ability to put them on USB sticks
    View every lab result immediately in your screen
    File and keep them in order
    Record conversations in the doctors offices with lengthy instructions and names of medications and procedures
    Make and keep with you hotel reservations
    Manage/make bank and credit card payments, history, track of things all on the go and remotely from everywhere in the world
    Keeping up with the business over my email accounts at the same time
    Viewing and editing documents and spreadsheets
    Seeing my children on Skype when in a hospital in the other end of the world and letting them see their mom
    ...
    Do you want me to go on?

    I'm NEVER going to use unrooted device.

    Because root not only gives you some of these options which aren't possible without it

    It helps you use your phone quicker, with more precise setup and additional tools and automation like for instance GMD Gesture Control or Tasker, or titanium backup, which help me do things perhaps 10 times faster than the average user of the same device.

    Please, understand that there are people who depend and count on these "tool sets", which are a great product OF and FOR evolution.
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    from what I've read you're already stuck before flashing the file in Odin on Qualcomm devices.
    Well the US snap yes, you can't unlock bootloader. For HK snap at least for me I was able to flash the file in Odin just fine, I just couldn't boot to recovery to finish, so I just flashed back to OG
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    It's an entire phone culture of root kiddies out there convinced that a few tweaks with root are necessary.

    Yeah, that's what I am getting out of this...

    Several years back when Android was still new, the manufacturers didn't know what to do with it and it was a mess, and Root was often the only way to get the phone sorted and working as it should have worked out of the box.

    Hasn't been that way for... half a decade? Now it's just a couple nerds that either suffer from OCD and just HAVE to have a given font or color on their LTE logo... because that really makes for a better phone... LOL

    Or they just want to brag to the 0.001% of users who still care about root...

    I can't think of a single thing that I need, that most new phones don't do out of the box...

    Themes? Check.
    Icon packs? Check.
    Wifi tethering? Check
    Launchers? Check

    You know every conversation with them is, "Yeah man, I rooted and hacked my phone and made it MY way, it is just sooo much better than anything out there"...

    Meanwhile, it's a stupid phone, not a lifestyle. You call people. You text them. You check email, order a pizza, listen to music and watch Netflix... Those guys spend more time messing with the phone than they do USING it. I keep asking people what they actually need Root to accomplish, and nobody has really been able to answer that... haha