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jmh2002

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No, I don't have any rules in FairEmail, and the message is unread in the Spam folder.

I agree, it's odd. I guess I'll try to do some more testing.
From some brief tests it seems that this problem only occurs with an email that was automatically sent to Spam by Gmail's servers.

If I manually mark an email as Spam the FairEmail notification works correctly.

It's a little bit difficult to test though because I very rarely get any Spam, and of course I can't force test a Spam email via Gmail's servers.
 

M66B

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From some brief tests it seems that this problem only occurs with an email that was automatically sent to Spam by Gmail's servers.

If I manually mark an email as Spam the FairEmail notification works correctly.

It's a little bit difficult to test though because I very rarely get any Spam, and of course I can't force test a Spam email via Gmail's servers.
Gmail spam messages are marked as read, so this is to be expected.
 

jmh2002

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Gmail spam messages are marked as read, so this is to be expected.
Are you sure? Because if this was the case I would never have noticed that I had received a Spam message in the first place.

But I immediately saw it when I opened my PC today, because I have Gmail's Spam folder set to only show if unread.

Then I wondered why I didn't have a notification from FairEmail, so I opened it on my phone and the message showed as unread in the Spam folder there too.

So I'm not sure it's correct that 'Spam messages are marked as read'?
 

M66B

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Are you sure? Because if this was the case I would never have noticed that I had received a Spam message in the first place.

But I immediately saw it when I opened my PC today, because I have the Gmail's Spam folder to only show if unread.

Then I wondered why I didn't have a notification from FairEmail, so I opened it on my phone and the message showed as unread in the Spam folder there too.

So I'm not sure it's correct that 'Spam messages are marked as read'?
I am not sure, but new message notifications require messages to be new and unread.

If you open a spam message on your PC, it will likely be marked read and as a result FairEmail will remove the new message notification.
 

m0d

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My Yahoo spam folder is called Bulk Mail.
Thank you,

So it is an issue with Yahoo web UI, disguising folder as Spam.
Thank you for your time,
I just wanted to make sure.

Long ago, Yahoo was one of my first email providers. However, these days, Yahoo isn't great anymore to put it nicely. Yahoo is one of the very few email providers not supporting IMAP IDLE (push messages) for example.

Same here. Unable to switch subscribed newsletters at the moment, though.
 

heinhuiz

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I am not sure, but new message notifications require messages to be new and unread.

If you open a spam message on your PC, it will likely be marked read and as a result FairEmail will remove the new message notification.
New messages in a Gmail Spam folder are marked unread, even in my FE spam box.

I have just tested this and set a notification on new messages in the Spam folder, and that arrives as expected and does not disappear by itself.
 
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mkasimd

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Sometimes, I go through the local contacts list within the app and clear some of the unnecessary addresses and also to rename some contact names. As I marked "add senders of incoming mails to the contact list", some addresses like noreply@ and [email protected] are added too. So I would like to suggest:

1. being able to long-press mark multiple contacts after searching and bulk-deleting them
2. never adding no-reply addresses to the contacts*
3. adding an option for an account-independent contacts and frequency count such that the same contact doesn't have to be added x times for x accounts but only once

* This one may however cause troubles if a noreply address was marked as "not Spam", I think, so such addresses would need to be an exception and added to the contacts
 

M66B

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Sometimes, I go through the local contacts list within the app and clear some of the unnecessary addresses and also to rename some contact names. As I marked "add senders of incoming mails to the contact list", some addresses like [email protected] and [email protected] are added too. So I would like to suggest:

1. being able to long-press mark multiple contacts after searching and bulk-deleting them
2. never adding no-reply addresses to the contacts*
3. adding an option for an account-independent contacts and frequency count such that the same contact doesn't have to be added x times for x accounts but only once

* This one may however cause troubles if a noreply address was marked as "not Spam", I think, so such addresses would need to be an exception and added to the contacts
I've added multiple select for local contacts to my to do list, but this will be low priority.

I don't think it is a good idea to ignore no-reply addresses and account independent contacts. Many people set up an extra account for newsletters, etc, so blocked and allowed contacts should be account specific.
 
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mkasimd

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I don't think it is a good idea to ignore no-reply addresses and account independent contacts. Many people set up an extra account for newsletters, etc, so blocked and allowed contacts should be account specific.
I can see that and that's why I was speaking of adding an option (e.g. a toggle) while the default behavior remains the same as that's what people are used to now.

Also, an account-independent contact list should be slightly more efficient in terms of retrieving but especially in terms of memory and disk usage. Though probably more of a theoretical rather than a noticeable improvement for the end user.
 

M66B

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I can see that and that's why I was speaking of adding an option (e.g. a toggle) while the default behavior remains the same as that's what people are used to now.

Also, an account-independent contact list should be slightly more efficient in terms of retrieving but especially in terms of memory and disk usage. Though probably more of a theoretical rather than a noticeable improvement for the end user.
What you can do is long press on a local contact and mark it as "never favorite". This way the contact will never be used for suggestions, etc.
 
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M66B

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The next version will support swapping (reversing) the primary and accent color for the Material You theme.

Edit: example:

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jmh2002

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New messages in a Gmail Spam folder are marked unread, even in my FE spam box.

I have just tested this and set a notification on new messages in the Spam folder, and that arrives as expected and does not disappear by itself.

Thanks for confirming and replying, that was my understanding and experience too.

How did you test? By manually marking a message as Spam? I also tested like this and also found the notifications worked correctly in that situation.

But for an email that was automatically sent to Spam by Gmail's servers I didn't get any notification.

As I said, it's a little bit difficult to test though because I very rarely get any Spam (like, 1 in 3-6 months), and of course I can't force test a Spam email via Gmail's servers.

Maybe it was just a one off glitch on my side. I will change my setup slightly to accommodate this and make a note to check the next time some Spam arrives.

THANKS @heinhuiz and @M66B :)
 

heinhuiz

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How did you test? By manually marking a message as Spam? I also tested like this and also found the notifications worked correctly in that situation.

But for an email that was automatically sent to Spam by Gmail's servers I didn't get any notification.
I have one Gmail account that seems to work like a spam magnet. I set the Spam folder to notify on new messages and I got a new notification within 5 minutes 🥴
 
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M66B

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FairEmail will be 10 MB bigger because Google forces apps to include emoji. This is the policy:

We're adding an Android Emoji policy that requires apps running on Android 12 and above to comply with the latest version of Unicode approved emojis within 4 months of availability. The policy will also present developers with different compliance options.

Effective April 1, 2022

The alternative is worse: let the app download the emoji on demand from Google's servers.

As a comparison: the app is about 20 MB now.

I am pretty shocked by this monopolistic dictating behavior of Google.
 
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ouzowtf

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FairEmail will be 10 MB bigger because Google forces apps to include emoji. This is the policy:



The alternative is worse: let the app download the emoji on demand from Google's servers.

As a comparison: the app is about 20 MB now.

I am pretty shocked by this monopolistic dictating behavior of Google.
Why should every app include those emojis??? It would be better if Google downloaded it via play services once and stored it for the whole system and for all apps to use.
 

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