[APP][5.0+] FairEmail - Fully featured, open source, privacy oriented email app

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M66B

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Do you see such a development worldwide? Because here in the German Playstore, FairEmail currently has a rating of 4.9 (after having been at 4.8 before).
German people are generally more reasonable than most people, at least in my experience, which is of course by definition subjective. The average (word wide) Play store rating have been increasing slowly last month, but it is going down rather fast again last week.
 

fraschi51

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German people are generally more reasonable than most people, at least in my experience, which is of course by definition subjective. The average (word wide) Play store rating have been increasing slowly last month, but it is going down rather fast again last week.
That's a shame, but I can only rate the reviews in the German Playstore.
 

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And as you know Marcel I am on the early access version and the production version isnot available here in Pakistan . Actually not available in most parts of Asia. Is there a reason for that?
 

M66B

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And as you know Marcel I am on the early access version and the production version isnot available here in Pakistan . Actually not available in most parts of Asia. Is there a reason for that?
The Play store rating would go down very fast if the app was available in Asia. This is something I learned from NetGuard and therefore based on facts.
 
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M66B

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The messages I received today say that I need to take the nice job offer and minimize the effort I put into my open source projects. It will likely make me happier.

It isn't good, but I can understand why many independent developers already gave up. It is hard to deal with people who jump to conclusions after looking one minute at an app and say it is ****e. I am afraid that most serious apps will available from big vendors only in the near future, which probably won't be good for your privacy.

I will keep maintaining the app and there will keep being support if you ask nicely, although it will be time limited.
 

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Actually, I had thought that the color stripes that you have in the template overview would then also be seen next to the template name when you insert one via the three-point menu. Unfortunately, this is not (yet?) the case.
 

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Actually, I had thought that the color stripes that you have in the template overview would then also be seen next to the template name when you insert one via the three-point menu. Unfortunately, this is not (yet?) the case.
It does for me, so it should work for you too?
 

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No, unfortunately does not happen here (Android 11) - the templates are available for selection without the colored side stripes.
Edit: I sent you per mail two screenshots

I have a Nokia in the Google One program with Android 11. It works fine here, I see the corresponding template color in the template selection when composing a new message.

Please make sure you have explicitly clicked on "save" after selecting the template color in the template settings. Some errors have a simpler reason than one thinks of, happens to all of us from time to time 😅
 

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I have a Nokia in the Google One program with Android 11. It works fine here, I see the corresponding template color in the template selection when composing a new message.

Please make sure you have explicitly clicked on "save" after selecting the template color in the template settings. Some errors have a simpler reason than one thinks of, happens to all of us from time to time 😅
Thanks for your feedback. The template is saved with color - I see the color also in the template overview.

Edit: Ah, on a newly created test template I see the color too.

Edit2:
If a template is marked as a favorite, the color is not displayed during insertion.
 
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I have a question for adding an additional gmail account. I have a main account which is also used to sync with my phone. For the 2nd one I don't want to sync contacts, calender etc. So what I've read here and in the faq I need to go with an app password to avoid an on device account. But what happens when i manually add the gmail account as imap account. Will the account also be an on device account and start sync my contacts, calender etc. after I have added it? An on device account wouldn't be a problem for me, but I don't want that sync function. Account is only needed to read emails.
Sorry for the dumb question, but I thought I ask here before I add the account an all my stuff gets synced to the account.

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Is an app password the only way to avoid sync (contacts, calender, etc) when adding a 2nd gmail account?
 

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    @mkasimd thank your very much for helping with the privacy policy!

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    @M66B I just heard about you stopping to develop FairEmail and NetGuard in a podcast about OSINT from the US.
    I just could not believe it until I saw the notice on your homepage.

    I just wanted to quickly leave this here: Your app is amazing. It is the one solution to everything one could wish from an email client. You've developed also one of the only email clients that actually works with alias email addresses, which seems to be kinda hard, I guess, since even Thunderbird struggles to implement it for YEARS!

    Your apps are amazing. Do not let those bad reviews get to you. I know that this is easy to say, but hard to do.
    Google has arbitrary power of some aspects of the app world in Android and the whole internet space in and of itself. With projects like yours, the way it works, the way you develop it (and the community supports you, I hope) and the way you distribute it, you give them the finger every day and show the world that all of this can be done differently.

    The fact that an US podcast mentioned YOUR project, the news outlets reporting on you, the feedback you get in this board (remember 1 people speaking up in the internet stands for hundreds, even thousand more, considering your privacy focused audience :)), the downloads and hopefully the donations, that we as an open source using community oh toooooooo often forget about after using and loving a software for oh so many years, are probably speaking for themselves.
    Quick side note here: Thanks for the quick privacy policy help @mkasimd :) That was simply amazing.

    I do not want to convince you to start developing again, although I hope you do.
    I just wanted to tell you: You are amazing, the work you have done is amazing and I wish you all the best in life for you and all your loved ones :)
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    I use NetGuard (non Pro) several years without any problems. Heard of your problems and read big part of this thread.

    I recommend you to
    - take a break to help your girl friend and cool down
    - IF you want to continue :
    + stop ( temporary ? ) delivering google version
    + delegate first level support to a group of trustworty users here
    + only focus on coding (as this is your hobby)

    This way you can do what you make happy :)

    Regarding the code :
    I had a short view on the code of FairMail and I have a short assumption.
    Possibly they do not run the code but do a code analysis.
    And I assume that thid code analysis do not recognize that your code switches logic depending on PlayStore. So it seems for them that you deliver (at least one value read from contact) to somewhere in internet.
    I recommend to remove this code or use different code versions for PlayStore and GitHub.

    Its just an assumptiom !!!
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    Just to add on to everyone else here, the negative people always seem to have a greater voice, for one reason or another. Just wanted to leave my message here as well to try and offset that. Here's the message I put into the form when re-activating the pro features.

    I already supported through Google Play but had to reset my device. Very sad development is stopping, but after reading through XDA I understand and respect the decision. Just wanted you to know that I personally (along with the Linux user group I'm part of) love this app greatly. So, even with the negative reviews you talk about, know you have supporters who greatly respect the time you put into this app for us all these years.
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    There are a couple of features I wish this app had:

    - Per email account notification sounds (I came from Spark Mail)
    - To not have the send button right above the keyboard. I bumped it once. RIP.

    Nice to haves:
    - A cleaner look (not more minimal, just a reskin I guess).
    Per account notification, please see this FAQ:

    https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq145

    Send button: accidents can happen wherever it is, that's why there is a confirmation needed by default. It seems you disabled the confirmation. Maybe you want to enable it again?

    Cleaner look: the appearance is one of the most discussed things. If you ask 10 people about how things should look like, you'll get 20 opinions.
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    The balance

    The few euros I receive in return for what's being offered and the fun of developing things are no compensation for the thousands of questions I answer every month, for unfair Play store reviews and for stress about unclear Google requirements.


    The verdict

    I have not reached a conclusion yet, but the question I am asking myself is why I would continue with the project. Maybe it is the moment, with a sick girlfriend, but I currently don't see it.


    Alternatives

    GitHub only version: 98% of the audience will be lost.

    Strip down the app: more bad reviews

    Paid support: more bad reviews

    Stop answering questions: more bad reviews

    Bad reviews will shift the balance only in the wrong direction.


    Core problem

    Google. There is no sensible way to appeal in case of bad reviews or alleged violations of Play store policies.

    People. They are generally pretty demanding and on the other hand everything should be free.

    Myself. An old and grumpy developer, who maybe should retired.


    Input is welcome.
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    I paid for this software and donated several times, so what would I gain by trolling? I share my opinion with you and get trolled by you because you don't like it? It is much sadder how grateful my money is accepted although I would troll. Would you rather be lied to and cheated instead or how do I have to imagine this? Honestly, I do not care if you like my opinion or not. I stand by it and think my part.
    I feel responsible, but what is your problem exactly? The app as-is works fine and it will keep working fine for the foreseeable future. I even published an update in this thread yesterday for an ugly problem introduced in recent versions. Please tell me what is wrong and I will see what I can do. Please be nice and you'll be responded to in the same way. There is already enough hate on this planet.

    Please understand that mainly Google caused this "event". There is some good news though because a real human contacted me outside the usual Google "flow". There will be a phone call Tuesday.
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    On special request by PM of OP, Marcel aka @M66B, I have to inform you as follows:
    Can you please write in each XDA thread that the GitHub repos have been restored?
    Marcel, I know you can't respond here but personally I hope that this isn't your final decision.
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    I like to say something about the code quality because there were some comments about this.

    The code quality is far from perfect, but on the other hand the app is pretty stable and functional. I refactored stuff rather often, but if the one man army needs to choose between significant rewrites, likely causing bugs and instability, and fixing a know issue when reformatting lists, what is it gonna be? (One of the few known problems)

    Any developer would do things differently when starting over. Also, a project like this isn't only about pure code quality. It isn't a lab, but a real world application.
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    Thread re-opened on request of OP @M66B who allowed me to share his PM with you:

    Can you please open all threads again?

    This is to give people a chance to discuss and to help each other. It doesn't mean I will resume development though.
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    FairEmail
    Open source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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    See here for a description:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/

    Downloads:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email#user-content-downloads

    See this XDA article for some screenshots:
    https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-open-source-privacy-friendly-email/

    See here for more screenshots:
    https://email.faircode.eu/#screenshots

    Frequently asked questions:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/blob/master/FAQ.md

    This XDA thread is about using the latest version of FairEmail.

    For support on authorizing an account you should consult the documentation of your provider, see also here.

    Off topic comments are allowed as long they are related to FairEmail and are in the general interest of the followers of this thread.

    Discussion of purchases is not allowed here, please contact me via here instead.


    XDA:DevDB Information
    FairEmail, App for all devices (see above for details)

    Contributors
    M66B
    Source Code: https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/


    Version Information
    Status:
    Stable

    Created 2018-08-02
    Last Updated 2020-11-18
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    It is time for a new, modern, open source, privacy friendly email client for Android.

    I have just released a first alpha version for feedback on the design and features.

    Not for production use yet!

    Most of the stuff basically works, but be prepared for crashes and error notifications.


    Safe email is a working name, but it is for several reasons not a convenient name, so suggestions for a name are welcome.
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    I have just released alpha version 0.15

    Changelog/download:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

    With a bit of luck the next version can be a beta version.

    I am putting a lot of effort into this project, so thanks are appreciated.
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    I have just released alpha version 0.10

    Changelog/download:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

    I have put many hours into developing and debugging this release, so thanks are appreciated.

    This version is still not suitable for production, but all basic functions are present now. The goal is now to stabilize this version into a first beta release, so please let me hear what problems you have.

    Edit: due to database changes you'll need to setup your accounts/identities again.
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    I have just released beta version 1.745

    Changelog/download:
    https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

    The changelog might seem uninteresting, but in fact displaying messages has been rewritten to introduce inline displaying of original messages. I spent about two days developing and testing this, so at least a "thanks" will be appreciated.

    Some background: normally the web view cannot be used in a scrolling list (of messages in a conversation) and although there exist several workarounds for this, none were satisfactory. However, I had a completely novel idea (as far as I know) about how to approach this without the usual edge cases (hopefully) !

    To do: investigate if using a dark background is feasible (setting the background dark is simple, but the challenge is to modify the message so that everything is still readable). I will consider to add an option to always display original messages.

    Please report any problem you discover, so it can be fixed.