[APP][5.0+] FairEmail - Fully featured, open source, privacy oriented email app

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mkasimd

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I am pretty unhappy about the situation and I am considering to pull all my apps from the Play store, close all related XDA threads and going back to anonymity.

The apps won't be sold in any case because in almost all cases this will not beneficial for the users of the app. There are plenty of examples of this.
If you are leaving, that's your decision ultimately. We will be sad about it, but we will also respect it.

However, I'd appreciate it, if you left the GitHub repo and this XDA thread available. So that anyone who wants to can fork the app and then inform the core users here in this thread. Even if it's just about keeping the libraries up to date and nothing else.
 

nadir husain

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Aug 31, 2019
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If you are leaving, that's your decision ultimately. We will be sad about it, but we will also respect it.

However, I'd appreciate it, if you left the GitHub repo and this XDA thread available. So that anyone who wants to can fork the app and then inform the core users here in this thread. Even if it's just about keeping the libraries up to date and nothing else.
I am going to use FE as long as I possibly can. Not going anywhere!
Yes I agree - ultimately it's Marcels decision.
 

Oswald Boelcke

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@Oswald Boelcke can you please close all my threads. If this implies revoking my recognized developer's title, that's okay.
I'm very sorry to hear this but I'm going to do as tasked. You're leaving a gap not only on XDA but also on every device of all people that care about their (and others) privacy. I feel so bad that Google did succeed - assuming that's the case due to all I've read above.
If you change your mind, just advise - and I hope you're going to change your mind!

I'll inform the Developer Committee who might get in contact with you if required.
Thread has been closed on request of OP!
 
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Oswald Boelcke

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On special request by PM of OP, Marcel aka @M66B, I have to inform you as follows:
Can you please write in each XDA thread that the GitHub repos have been restored?
Marcel, I know you can't respond here but personally I hope that this isn't your final decision.
 

Oswald Boelcke

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Thread re-opened on request of OP @M66B who allowed me to share his PM with you:

Can you please open all threads again?

This is to give people a chance to discuss and to help each other. It doesn't mean I will resume development though.
 

deechte

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Do you realize Marcel that by your latest actions you're actually hurting the people that have supported you all the way, have downvoted reviews at your request, have overloaded you with compliments day after day, have paid for your app?

Google and the bad reviewers ruin your life, but they're not here, they don't give a sh#t that you stop and even closed the thread.

Me and many others here have in the past replied to your review complaints and advised you to look at the good things, the majority of 5 star reviews, the insanely high average score etc. I've even told you there are courses out there to help transform your thinking and better deal with setbacks. It's all in your mind to improve that.

Now every developer has to deal with Google. They're awful, we know. Every developer complains, rightfully. But they do not all toss the towel. Come on.
 

e5e197740b

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Apr 28, 2019
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So I got the news via Caschys Blog.

I have a question: I bought the pro features of the app via the Google PlayStore.
The app itself is no longer available on the google play store.

I won't try to convince Marcel to change any of that, but is there any way for me to save my status quo?

Precisely, are the pro features just going to work should I ever have to manually install the latest GitHub apk I just saved? Is there a way to transfer the license? Or am I just, "**** out of luck", as the cool kids say, whenever I have to reset or change my smartphone?
 

M66B

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Aug 1, 2010
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Do you realize Marcel that by your latest actions you're actually hurting the people that have supported you all the way, have downvoted reviews at your request, have overloaded you with compliments day after day, have paid for your app?

Google and the bad reviewers ruin your life, but they're not here, they don't give a sh#t that you stop and even closed the thread.

Me and many others here have in the past replied to your review complaints and advised you to look at the good things, the majority of 5 star reviews, the insanely high average score etc. I've even told you there are courses out there to help transform your thinking and better deal with setbacks. It's all in your mind to improve that.

Now every developer has to deal with Google. They're awful, we know. Every developer complains, rightfully. But they do not all toss the towel. Come on.
I really appreciate all the good words and gestures, but I still haven't found a good answer to the question why I should continue the projects. I felt myself a slave of Google and of all those non stop demanding and judging people for a too long time, which changed into a liberated feeling now.
 

M66B

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Aug 1, 2010
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So I got the news via Caschys Blog.

I have a question: I bought the pro features of the app via the Google PlayStore.
The app itself is no longer available on the google play store.

I won't try to convince Marcel to change any of that, but is there any way for me to save my status quo?

Precisely, are the pro features just going to work should I ever have to manually install the latest GitHub apk I just saved? Is there a way to transfer the license? Or am I just, "**** out of luck", as the cool kids say, whenever I have to reset or change my smartphone?
You can update to the latest GitHub version if you wish. Google Play store purchases can't be transferred because the Play store policies do not allow this.

Edit: Play store purchases keep being valid, so you don't have to do anything.
 
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nadir husain

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I have paid for the app as you know Marcel. But I also have the pre release version from the play store. If it can only be downloaded via GitHub and it's all the same to you can you please make this a totally free app ? This will help others like me when we change devices. Thanks
 

M66B

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Aug 1, 2010
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Thanks Marcel
Now can you please please come back?
You don't have to develop this app. You don't have to answer questions. Just maintain it , that's all. All your users will know , do know that they are using the best email app around!
As soon as I have a good answer to the why and how question. I am not sure if there are good answers to these questions.
 

nadir husain

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As soon as I have a good answer to the why and how question. I am not sure if there are good answers to these questions.
There are never perfect answers to imperfect problems. Life is a compromise- usually one sided. You give a lot more than u get. That's always the way it is.
Enough said!

In the final count what ever you decide just be happy and try to get as much as you give to strive for the perfect balance.
Thanks for everything.
 
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crendot2

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I'd like to say thank you for giving us quality apps that respect the user.
It is totally understandable you want to focus on things that matter to you most, do that!

Maybe in time you can come back and do it just for the fun of it, if not than not!

You choose to make your apps FOSS and this is a reason why some of us choose to use it. Life happens and someone can carry on, that's the beauty of it.

In our current time it is taxing and time consuming to go against the mainstream.
You helped us in that endeavor and i think many people are grateful.

I'm always thankful for the people that step up, be it to release an foss app or fight against megacorps. Both tasks are draining in its own way. And i can relate to everybody who chooses not to that.

Do what you think is best for you but be reminded that people are thankful for what you did!
 

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    I understand the importance of getting paid hence why I purchased the Pro version. What I don't get is why everyone's insistent on having a subscription service for everything. Sorry but I don't make enough to subscribe to everything. Hence why I bundle where I can, onetime purchases if possible, or go without.
    But paying only once can also become a problem for the developer.

    I had, in the context of a one-time payment, bought a software about 20 years ago, by means of which I can watch TV or record movies via a TV card on the PC. The software has been continuously developed over all these years.

    Now I read on the website of the developer that due to all the streaming services the turnover has decreased in such a way that the income does not cover the costs anymore. I had then made a donation again, because I want to continue to use the software in the future.

    But basically I'm with you, buying software by subscription is not my idea either. Possibly only if further payments would accrue every 2 to 3 years, but not in a monthly subscription.
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    And again there was a one star (German) review because not everything was completely free, dragging again the average rating down, which has been going monotonously down only last weeks :-(
    Honestly, I just don't understand this free mentality. Anyone who thinks about it logically has to be aware that the software developer also has to make a living.

    Let's take Windows backup software, for example. I would never think of using free software here. In case of a problem I have to be sure to get professional help. I can't necessarily expect that with free software (Not all developers are as committed as you, Marcel).
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    QUESTION ABOUT FAIR EMAIL OPTIONS:
    Assuming the starting point of no on-device Google Account...

    Q: Which of these Fair Email Google mail server options is "most" private?

    1. 2SV/2FA (using any of a half dozen secondary methods), or,
    2. What Fair Email terms "GMail (Android)", or,
    3. What Fair Email terms "GMail (OAuth)".

    Note Marcel knows the answer, so he can instantly nip this tangent in the bud by answering that question in a single word... (where I suspect the answer is undoubtably #3 but others strongly think it's #1 apparently, so I could be wrong - but it's NEVER gonna be #2.

    The desired single word answer is "none". Google scans all your messages and you can only hope that the gathered information isn't used in an un-private way. Option 1 (assumed to be app passwords) and option 3 do not send extra information to Google. Option 2 requires an on-device Google account. You can control the sync options of a Google account via the Android settings. If these options work as expected and are turned off, no information should be sent to Google. This applies to all other Google services and apps, like Maps and Drive, too. You'll need to go into the settings and turn things off and trust that Google honors this.

    I expect to see no more messages about this subject anymore, with no exceptions for anyone. If you want to continue discussing about this, you should create a new XDA thread for this.
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    I have just uploaded a 4th YouTube video, with things which are not being described and not were asked for before ...
    Yesterday, the OAuth verification team requested a minor change and a test APK file, which probably means that the app fulfills all requirements now and that the verification process transitioned to the next phase. In any case this is looking good so far.
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    Since I need a distraction anyway, I am trying to get a web OAuth flow for Gmail accounts approved by Google because it seems the policies were changed for this type of authentication. K9 mail was approved too, without the expensive security audit formerly required. This would allow authenticating Gmail accounts via OAuth without an on-device account.
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    The next version will have optionally VirusTotal integration, so you can check attachments easily:

    Screenshot_20220723-102554.png
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    Using a Gmail account in FairEmail will inevitably leak your IP address, and thus your rough location, but nothing else, except the obvious: the messages you receive and sent and their meta data (sender, receiver, subject, etc).

    Note that it is not a good idea to use a VPN to hide your IP address because you'll probably run into "Please log in via your web browser" at an inconvenient moment.

    For HOTP and TOTP I recommend FreeOTP+.

    I think enough has been said about the privacy aspects of a Google account now. Whether a Google account on your device is a privacy concern or not is off-topic here. If you want to keep discussing about this, please create another XDA thread for this. You can leave a link to the created thread here if you wish.
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    FairEmail
    Open source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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    See here for a description:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/

    See here for screenshots:
    https://email.faircode.eu/#screenshots

    Downloads:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email#user-content-downloads

    Frequently asked questions:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/blob/master/FAQ.md

    Please read this before requesting a new feature:
    https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-get-support

    This XDA thread is about using the latest version of FairEmail.

    For support on authorizing an account you should consult the documentation of your provider, see also here.

    Off topic comments are allowed as long they are related to FairEmail and are in the general interest of the followers of this thread.

    Discussion of purchases is not allowed here, please contact me via here instead.
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    How was the call with Google today, Marcel?

    Google was pretty friendly and cooperative and told me the favicons are indeed the problem, and it can/should be fixed by updating in the privacy policy to "disclose how your app accesses, collects, uses, and shares user data":

    Privacy Policy​

    All apps must post a privacy policy in both the designated field in Play Console and within the app itself. The privacy policy must, together with any in-app disclosures, comprehensively disclose how your app accesses, collects, uses, and shares user data, not limited by the data disclosed in the Data Safety section. This must include:
    • developer information and a privacy point of contact or a mechanism to submit inquiries
    • disclosing the types of personal and sensitive user data your app accesses, collects, uses, and shares; and any parties with which any personal or sensitive user data is shared
    • secure data handling procedures for personal and sensitive user data
    • the developer’s data retention and deletion policy
    • clear labeling as a privacy policy (e.g., listed as “privacy policy” in title)
    The entity (e.g., developer, company) named in the app’s Google Play listing must appear in the privacy policy or the app must be named in the privacy policy. Apps that do not access any personal and sensitive user data must still submit a privacy policy.

    Please make sure your privacy policy is available on an active URL (no PDFs) and is non-editable.

    So, I have updated the privacy policy and added this new table:

    https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/PRIVACY.md#summary-of-shared-data

    I am not sure if it covers everything, so feedback is more than welcome. @mkasimd maybe you can take a look?

    Note that I have also enabled BIMI, Gravatars, Libravatars and favicons for the Play store version again.

    The short term goal is to release a Play store test version (and associated GitHub version) and to get the update approved. I will think about the next steps after this has been accomplished. Given the huge number of supportive messages I received (much appreciated!) the project will be continued in some form in any case.
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    Version 1.1900 is available on GitHub now and in the Play store test program after Google's approval (which is the main goal of this release).

    Changelog/download:
    https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

    My girlfriend is slowly recovering too :)
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    It is time for a new, modern, open source, privacy friendly email client for Android.

    I have just released a first alpha version for feedback on the design and features.

    Not for production use yet!

    Most of the stuff basically works, but be prepared for crashes and error notifications.


    Safe email is a working name, but it is for several reasons not a convenient name, so suggestions for a name are welcome.
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    I have just released alpha version 0.15

    Changelog/download:
    https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

    With a bit of luck the next version can be a beta version.

    I am putting a lot of effort into this project, so thanks are appreciated.