[APP][5.0+][v3.8.0.2] BubbleUPnP - UPnP/DLNA/Chromecast Control Point and Renderer

[archienesss]

Thank you so much for the great app! I can easily watch movies stored in my phone on my DLNA-enabled TV.

A few questions though:

1. Why can I only see it on my TV when both my phone and TV are connected to the same access point (I have a main modem/router and wifi repeater setup in my home)? When the phone is connected to the main modem/router, I can no longer see it on my TV which is connected to the wifi repeater.

2. Do I need to install the additional BubbleUPnP Server aside from the app from Google Playstore? I just want to play the videos stored on my phone to my TV via wifi.

Thanks again!

 

[bubbleguuum]

Thank you so much for the great app! I can easily watch movies stored in my phone on my DLNA-enabled TV.

A few questions though:

1. Why can I only see it on my TV when both my phone and TV are connected to the same access point (I have a main modem/router and wifi repeater setup in my home)? When the phone is connected to the main modem/router, I can no longer see it on my TV which is connected to the wifi repeater.

2. Do I need to install the additional BubbleUPnP Server aside from the app from Google Playstore? I just want to play the videos stored on my phone to my TV via wifi.

Thanks again!

@archienesss

1. Do you mean that on your TV interface, you cannot see BubbleUPnP as a DLNA media server ?

2. You do not need 'BubbleUPnP Server' for that.

 

[bubbleguuum]

@bubbleguuum

Beta x64 version of Foobar2000 is finally out. I mostly use Fb2K for its great library and your (correct?) UPNP component allowing UPNP access to it through Bubbleupnp as bridge. x64 version needing specific x64 components, a simple question for you : do you plan to release a x64 version of your component ? If yes, any estimation on release date ?
Thank you for your work.

@0RF30

That component is abandoned since a long time and I do not really recommend using it. Instead, I'd suggest to switch to MinimServer or Asset UPnP, both being maintained and with more features.
I do not even have the setup anymore required to compile it.
Maybe I'll have itch to recompile it for 64-bit at some point, but really no promise...

 

[bubbleguuum]

I don't recall if I asked this here but when using Bubble to access my home shares while in my car, I bluetooth the music to my car's entertainment system from my phone. The music and all metadata are sent perfectly to the car but why can't it send album artwork? Bubble gets me the artwork from my network shares so I know I get it to the phone, but the car won't read it. Anything I can do?

@tinpanalley

I really don't know how BT data is even transmitted these days, not having a BT car system.
BubbleUPnP holds an Android media session with all the currently playing metadata and album art, and the system does some magic to transmit that to BT. It's kind of a black box to me.
So to make a more elaborate answer, I'd need to research it and find a setup I can test it on (not necessarily a car BT).

 

[tinpanalley]

@tinpanalley

I really don't know how BT data is even transmitted these days, not having a BT car system.
BubbleUPnP holds an Android media session with all the currently playing metadata and album art, and the system does some magic to transmit that to BT. It's kind of a black box to me.
So to make a more elaborate answer, I'd need to research it and find a setup I can test it on (not necessarily a car BT).

Ok, so you think the issue is in how my Android phone communicates with the car via the bluetooth radio then? Sadly I don't have another Bluetooth device with a display to test this with.

 

[bubbleguuum]

Ok, so you think the issue is in how my Android phone communicates with the car via the bluetooth radio then? Sadly I don't have another Bluetooth device with a display to test this with.

@tinpanalley

I've Google about it a bit and the situation is rather complex.
BT Data/Control is performed using the AVRCP protocol for which there are many versions.
Only the latest one (1.6) support the album art being sent to the car BT (and both the car and phone must support it!). To make things more confusing, some car manufacturers using previous versions may do CDDB lookup to fetch album art.

See this post which explain quite clearly the situation:
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Cl...luetooth/idc-p/4858984/highlight/true#M219116

The first thing I'd try is to check if you have album art displayed using YT Music and Spotify apps, to check if it is at all possible
with your car and Android device combination. It it works with these apps, it can probably be made to work with BubbleUPnP too, probably with some code change.

 

[tinpanalley]

The first thing I'd try. is to check if you have album art displayed using YT Music and Spotify apps, to check if it is at all possible
with your car and Android device combination.

One thing I tried to see if the metadata could even be read was putting music in a usb flash drive. That worked fine but that doesn't tell us anything about bluetooth. But it confirms the software in the car can actually read that metadata regardless of its source.
I suppose you're right, the next thing would be to play something via Bluetooth from some other audio source (Spotify, etc) and see if the car takes my bt audio from another source and sees the artwork. The only problem is I don't have ANY streaming music accounts. I don't use them. So it's hard to do that test.
But this is leaving the scope of bubbleupnp support.

 

[bubbleguuum]

One thing I tried to see if the metadata could even be read was putting music in a usb flash drive. That worked fine but that doesn't tell us anything about bluetooth. But it confirms the software in the car can actually read that metadata regardless of its source.
I suppose you're right, the next thing would be to play something via Bluetooth from some other audio source (Spotify, etc) and see if the car takes my bt audio from another source and sees the artwork. The only problem is I don't have ANY streaming music accounts. I don't use them. So it's hard to do that test.
But this is leaving the scope of bubbleupnp support.

@tinpanalley

I think you can test basic YT Music for free, just login with your Google account.

 

[tinpanalley]

I think you can test basic YT Music for free, just login with your Google account.

Ok, I'll test and report back here, I guess. Unless you'd prefer I email you.

 

[archienesss]

@archienesss

1. Do you mean that on your TV interface, you cannot see BubbleUPnP as a DLNA media server ?

2. You do not need 'BubbleUPnP Server' for that.

I can see BubbleUPnP when both the TV and phone is connected to the same wifi repeater on the 2nd floor of the house. But if the phone is connected to the main modem/router on the first floor, I can no longer see it on the TV.

 

[0RF30]

@0RF30

That component is abandoned since a long time and I do not really recommend using it. Instead, I'd suggest to switch to MinimServer or Asset UPnP, both being maintained and with more features.
I do not even have the setup anymore required to compile it.
Maybe I'll have itch to recompile it for 64-bit at some point, but really no promise...

Thanks for the reply.

That's a shame, still works like a charm !
I did try long time ago MinimServer and many other upnp libraries (including JRiver's, Universal Media Server, you name it...), nothing was as efficient as Foobar library combined to your component (in term of distant server search results).

I will try MinimServer and Universal Media Server again, as well as Asset upnp, which I did'nt know the existence, and come back to you with more specific details about what they're lacking to my taste in comparison, if they still do. Maybe it will trigger the itch
Or maybe I will find a new love in my trials, will be hard, I'm happily using your component for something like 10-12 years now.

I like so much the efficiency of Foobar's library that I'm using the upnp out capability of your component to cast on other upnp renderers directly from Foobar when I'm at my desk, instead of using Bubbleupnp (more ergonomic), which I will not be able to do with librairies which are just libraries.

@bubbleguuum

[EDIT]

MinimSever :
-No *.ape support
-No archive support (.7z .zip .rar)
-No cue support (meaning you cannot access your old EAC rips compressed in one single APE or FLAC file, cut with *.cue file)
-Profitable premium features

Asset Upnp :
-No archive support
-APE but no cue support
-Profitable premium features

Universal Media Server :
-No archive support
-APE but no cue support

...no thank you, for audio, I'll stay with the combined jewels Foobar2000 + bubbleguuum's upnp component, as long as 32bit foobar support lasts.

And I wasn't still on the subject of DSD files, iso SACD, wavepacks, etc.

To be noted :

Universal Media Server is free, open source, cross platform, manages video as well, vastly configurable. I'll dig into it nevertheless, but for my main audio library, FB2K+bubbleguuum's upnp !

JRiver Media Center supports *.cue cuts of APE through upnp, but it's a bit overkill, ressources usage is huge, library management is a paint in the a.. , and I really, really don't like it. Plus it's a bit expensive. No archive support.

 

[tinpanalley]

The first thing I'd try is to check if you have album art displayed using YT Music and Spotify apps, to check if it is at all possible
with your car and Android device combination.

I tried today with Youtube music. Didn't work. The music went through, the album metadata but not the artwork.

 

[dark0shark]

Current BubbleUPnP Server (apk 1.2.2 / version 0.9-update43) is installed on an Android 10 tablet and when searching for updates, it always states "Update available". After installing it, an update is found again (endless loop).

 

[bubbleguuum]

Current BubbleUPnP Server (apk 1.2.2 / version 0.9-update43) is installed on an Android 10 tablet and when searching for updates, it always states "Update available". After installing it, an update is found again (endless loop).

@dark0shark

Thanks for the report, problem fixed.
Just apply the update you have and after that there will be no more bogus update notification.

 

[krilok]

Thanks for the reply.

- Scrobbling is disabled (has always been)
- I'm playing music on my android phones via Minimserver installed on my Qnap NAS
- Yes, lockscreen album art and media info are displayed correctly.

Sorry for the double post...

Update: After some more troubleshooting, it seems I've found the solution.

On the rom I'm using (Crdroid 8), there's the option to chose different system fonts (I've always chosen Google Product Sans). I'm not sure how to explain, but for whatever the reason, while running bubbleupnp and using this font, the ambient display won't show track info. Strangely enough, this only happens with bubbleupnp, for other media apps have no issue displaying info with this font, and if I use stock system font, bubbleupnp will display info as well, so no idea what's really going on...

Anyhow, and to cut a long story short, I've reverted back to stock font, and flashed the Google Product Sans font as a module through Magisk instead, and voila, problem solved...

 

[Veram]

In the latest versions of Bubbleupnp, song selections and song changes are slow while playing the files on the hard disk on my computer that I connect to and share with the smb server, and the data exchange part on my phone is always busy, this was not the case before, also if I connect and open the song selections from dlna and their progress is very fast compared to the smb server, but this time most of the music I opened from dlna, for example, music files with .ape extension are not visible in dlna, but they appear in smb, I activated remote browsing but still the same

Another problem is that the album covers appear in low resolution in dlna, but in very high quality in smb.

Also, every time I open the program, a remote browsing warning appears.

If you look at the other picture , data exchange is always active , for example , if I play music like dsd , this data exchange is like 50-60 mb , it was not like this before , music transitions and progress are slow due to this data flow , what is the solution ?

I use bubbleupnp for streaming music

my setup;

Rpi3b+
moodeaudio
topping e30 dac

 

[bubbleguuum]

Update: After some more troubleshooting, it seems I've found the solution.

On the rom I'm using (Crdroid 8), there's the option to chose different system fonts (I've always chosen Google Product Sans). I'm not sure how to explain, but for whatever the reason, while running bubbleupnp and using this font, the ambient display won't show track info. Strangely enough, this only happens with bubbleupnp, for other media apps have no issue displaying info with this font, and if I use stock system font, bubbleupnp will display info as well, so no idea what's really going on...

Anyhow, and to cut a long story short, I've reverted back to stock font, and flashed the Google Product Sans font as a module through Magisk instead, and voila, problem solved...

@krilok

Thank you for letting me know the resolution of this issue.
The cause is really surprising indeed !
I have no explanation for it. Maybe BubbleUPnP sends some metadata other apps don't, which cause the issue.

 

[krilok]

@krilok

Thank you for letting me know the resolution of this issue.
The cause is really surprising indeed !
I have no explanation for it. Maybe BubbleUPnP sends some metadata other apps don't, which cause the issue.

Yeah, very strange indeed... Thank you anyhow for the help, and for the great work you do with Bubbleupnp.

 

[bubbleguuum]

@Veram

To remove the "REMINDER" toast message displayed on app startup, simply disable More > Gear icon > Local and Cloud > UPnP/DLNA Media Server settings > Enable remote browsing. You do not need it anyway as this feature is for browsing BubbleUPnP acting as media server, from another UPnP/DLNA client on your local network.

If you use SMB to play to your renderer, it is normal for your renderer to stream from your phone, as BubbleUPnP has to act as an intermediate http server to serve the SMB track to your renderer. The renderer is incapable of streaming SMB directly from the SMB server which only supports http streaming. That explain the huge in/out traffic shown on your screenshot when playing a track, as both BubbleUPnP is reading from your SMB server, and your renderer reading from BubbleUPnP the resulting http stream.
This is the main drawback of SMB over an UPnP/DLNA media server. SMB can also generally be slower as the SMB protocol is less efficient than http.
UPnP/DLNA media servers indeed do not generally support APE, except maybe Asset UPnP.
A more compatible solution would be to convert your APE to FLAC, as the latter is broadly supported by UPnP/DLNA media servers.

In the latest versions of Bubbleupnp, song selections and song changes are slow while playing the files on the hard disk on my computer that I connect to and share with the smb server, and the data exchange part on my phone is always busy, this was not the case before, also if I connect and open the song selections from dlna and their progress is very fast compared to the smb server, but this time most of the music I opened from dlna, for example, music files with .ape extension are not visible in dlna, but they appear in smb, I activated remote browsing but still the same

Another problem is that the album covers appear in low resolution in dlna, but in very high quality in smb.

Also, every time I open the program, a remote browsing warning appears.

If you look at the other picture , data exchange is always active , for example , if I play music like dsd , this data exchange is like 50-60 mb , it was not like this before , music transitions and progress are slow due to this data flow , what is the solution ?

I use bubbleupnp for streaming music

my setup;

Rpi3b+
moodeaudio
topping e30 dac

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[Devg1]

Not sure if this has been discussed before but I am wondering if Bubbleupnp app is able to support grid view with thumbnails of the albums instead of list view ? Maybe a way to toggle it ?

Some screenshots that I see online or on the play store of this app seems to indicate that the app displays the albums in grid view but I am not able to do so.

Other apps, like hifi cast, fidata does this by default. If you have a long album list (I have more than 5tb of files on nas), list view is very slow and its really help with grid view as you can save space and the pages to scroll to get to the end. Some apps even allow user to configure the number of thumbnails per line, which is extremely handy for a large library.