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aj7400

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I have noticed that no matter what app it is , big in size like 500 mb + or small in size 5 mb , it takes multiple seconds to get installed.

It gets downloaded immediately and then it gets stuck in installing for about 7-8 seconds .

Did not used to happen on my iphone.
Did not see this thing in any android as well .

What are your views?
 
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babyboy3265

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It's normal for Exynos phones. It was the same on my s9+ and s10+. Just Samsung being lazy and not wanting to optimize.
That is not the case with the s21. There are plenty of videos showing the exynos next to a snap and the speeds are the same.

Especially with the updates of the last months these speed issues are cleared out.

The guy having slower installations could be due to a 100 reasons and he has not specified enough info to rule in any conclusion.
 

ione2380

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That is not the case with the s21. There are plenty of videos showing the exynos next to a snap and the speeds are the same.

Especially with the updates of the last months these speed issues are cleared out.

The guy having slower installations could be due to a 100 reasons and he has not specified enough info to rule in any conclusion.
Ok, then all my Samsung phones must be defect, including my s21ultra.
 

ione2380

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Side by side with my Huawei p30 pro, I updated Samsung browser. It took 5 seconds on Huawei and 12 seconds on my s21 ultra. I uninstalled the update and reinstall. The second time, Huawei still took 5 seconds, but the 21ultra went up to 15 seconds. The 3rd time, 16 seconds for Samsung, still 5 for Huawei.

Huawei p30 pro has a 7nm SoC that was launched in 2018 vs a 5nm 2021 SoC on Samsung. What a shame for Samsung.

This the only problem I have with Exynos phones. Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process.
 

babyboy3265

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Ok, then all my Samsung phones must be defect, including my s21ultra.
If you are so certain it is exynos, at least try and explain how do you know that installations are so much faster on SNAP?

My s9+ was okay with installation speeds and my s21 is way faster.

I just tested and installed a 119mb APK, it took exactly 4 seconds for the installation to be completed trough a file manager.
 

ione2380

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If you are so certain it is exynos, at least try and explain how do you know that installations are so much faster on SNAP?

My s9+ was okay with installation speeds and my s21 is way faster.

I just tested and installed a 119mb APK, it took exactly 4 seconds for the installation to be completed trough a file manager.
Read my previous post. It's not just Snapdragon. Uninstall the Samsung browser updates and reinstall. Tell me how long it takes. What was the 119mb app that you installed? So I can try on my ultra.

It's not just the size of the apk that matters, it's also what app you install. Some of them take much longer than others.
 

babyboy3265

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Side by side with my Huawei p30 pro, I updated Samsung browser. It took 5 seconds on Huawei and 12 seconds on my s21 ultra. I uninstalled the update and reinstall. The second time, Huawei still took 5 seconds, but the 21ultra went up to 15 seconds. The 3rd time, 16 seconds for Samsung, still 5 for Huawei.

Huawei p30 pro has a 7nm SoC that was launched in 2018 vs a 5nm 2021 SoC on Samsung. What a shame for Samsung.

This the only problem I have with Exynos phones. Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process.
It all boils down to pre-existing software and settings. Some may be user adjusted settings, and others are pre-adjusted ROM settings by the manufacturer. At the end of the day it could also be the playstore being different. And also security settings performing extra scans that slow the process down...
 

babyboy3265

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Read my previous post. It's not just Snapdragon. Uninstall the Samsung browser updates and reinstall. Tell me how long it takes. What was the 119mb app that you installed? So I can try on my ultra.

It's not just the size of the apk that matters, it's also what app you install. Some of them take much longer than others.
So I updated my Samsung browser and it was an 80MB update, the moment it downloaded, it took 14 seconds to install.

Then I updated my Brave Browser and the download was 78MB, the installation was barely 2.5 seconds.

It likely also has to do with the way the app files are structured.
 

ione2380

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This was my experience with my last 3 exynos Samsung phones. You can try and explain things, but the result is the same. Exynos is still slower in installing and updating apps, than Kirin or Snapdragon. I tried 3 different Google accounts, în case something was wrong with my old one and no change.
 

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Side by side with my Huawei p30 pro, I updated Samsung browser. It took 5 seconds on Huawei and 12 seconds on my s21 ultra. I uninstalled the update and reinstall. The second time, Huawei still took 5 seconds, but the 21ultra went up to 15 seconds. The 3rd time, 16 seconds for Samsung, still 5 for Huawei.

Huawei p30 pro has a 7nm SoC that was launched in 2018 vs a 5nm 2021 SoC on Samsung. What a shame for Samsung.

This the only problem I have with Exynos phones. Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process.
The Google Play services (under GMS) is responsible for installation, not Samsung. And you just said it was not the type of CPU but software with this statement "Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process". Also, you are comparing an android version 10 phone to 11, the new Google Play services now support app bundles, delivery optimisation, instant play and various other changes to the installation process.

And you do not even know if the phone is Exynos and you are already blaming it. Look an issue, must be Exynos! Did you compare an Exynos vs Snapdragon S21? No you compared apples to oranges and got Exynos is the problem.

Do want to know the real reason? The malware scanning device care (under automation) slows it down, if you turn this off it's a lot faster.

You anti-Exynos people are like anti-vaxxers, "Did someone say Exynos?! Did you know that it is the number one cause of climate change! It is also responsible for the new delta strain of Covid!!!!".
 

babyboy3265

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The Google Play services (under GMS) is responsible for installation, not Samsung. And you just said it was not the type of CPU but software with this statement "Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process". Also, you are comparing an android version 10 phone to 11, the new Google Play services now support app bundles, delivery optimisation, instant play and various other changes to the installation process.

And you do not even know if the phone is Exynos and you are already blaming it. Look an issue, must be Exynos! Did you compare an Exynos vs Snapdragon S21? No you compared apples to oranges and got Exynos is the problem.

Do want to know the real reason? The malware scanning device care (under automation) slows it down, if you turn this off it's a lot faster.

You anti-Exynos people are like anti-vaxxers, "Did someone say Exynos?! Did you know that it is the number one cause of climate change! It is also responsible for the new delta strain of Covid!!!!".
Please do not speak poorly of people who have reservations regarding vax's. You do not know for a fact if they are right or wrong. Plenty of scientists have come out and expressed serious concerns about vax's, old and new, and it is a fact that big pharma suppresses what doesn't suit their interests.

Other than that, you are perfectly right about the comparison with oranges and apples and software functioning differently on different devices and OS versions.

Exynos is not to blame for climate change. At least not with the s21 series. Previous generation sucked a bit more, compared to Snaps.
 

ione2380

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The Google Play services (under GMS) is responsible for installation, not Samsung. And you just said it was not the type of CPU but software with this statement "Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process". Also, you are comparing an android version 10 phone to 11, the new Google Play services now support app bundles, delivery optimisation, instant play and various other changes to the installation process.

And you do not even know if the phone is Exynos and you are already blaming it. Look an issue, must be Exynos! Did you compare an Exynos vs Snapdragon S21? No you compared apples to oranges and got Exynos is the problem.

Do want to know the real reason? The malware scanning device care (under automation) slows it down, if you turn this off it's a lot faster.

You anti-Exynos people are like anti-vaxxers, "Did someone say Exynos?! Did you know that it is the number one cause of climate change! It is also responsible for the new delta strain of Covid!!!!".
You drunk or something? 😃 I'm not anti-exynos, quite the opposite, look at my post history. 🙂

I don't even know it's Exynos? How is that? The OP phone is exynos and my phone is exynos and I compared it with kirin and Snapdragon phones. Not just s21, but s9+ and s10+ too. The other phones have that app scanning thing on too and it doesn't slow them down.

And a cpu can be optimize to run better through software uodates, wtf are you on about? I didn't say Exynos is a bad cpu.


Btw, I had my anti-covid vaccines months ago. 🙂
 
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ione2380

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"This is the only problem I have with Exynos phones". I said that. Look 10 comments up. If I'm sharing my experience with my phones that I own, then I'm anti-Exynos and anti-vaxxer probably. 🤣🤣🤣


Look at this post where I defend Exynos.

But you already seen it and even gave me a like. 😃
 
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babyboy3265

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"This is the only problem I have with Exynos phones". I said that. Look 10 comments up. If I'm sharing my experience with my phones that I own, then I'm anti-Exynos and anti-vaxxer probably. 🤣🤣🤣


Look at this post where I defend Exynos.

But you already seen it and even gave me a like. 😃
These vaxes are messing with your minds it seems 🤣🤣🤣
 
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KingFatty

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Have you tried making a spreadsheet to track the app and the install time?

Then do a factory reset and reinstall the same apps and track the times in another column, to see how close the times are.

It could be the way software just is, like how when you have a fresh windows 10 installation, every app installs super fast, but after a while the registry gets cluttered and subsequent installs are slower.

maybe android is similar in how it just slows the software install process as you install more apps?

But I think this theory could also explain the bizarre behavior reported above, where the same exact app is installed/uninstalled but the time needed to perform early installs is less than the time needed for the later installs, even though it's the exact same app.
 

blackhawk

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Use ApkExport

Make installable copies of all user, system apks and their updates. Store on SD card or flashstick/PC/backup hdds.
Reloads are a snap, no Playstore or download lag. Takes me about 20 minutes to load 4-5 gb of apks on my 10+. Only exactly what I want loaded gets loaded. Works perfectly.
You get the apk version you want rather than what Playstore is dooling out or has removed.

Apple? Bah-ha-ha-ha... sucks. What boring and expensive devices iPhones truly are.
Geared for the technically challenged🤣
 

ione2380

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Use ApkExport

Make installable copies of all user, system apks and their updates. Store on SD card or flashstick/PC/backup hdds.
Reloads are a snap, no Playstore or download lag. Takes me about 20 minutes to load 4-5 gb of apks on my 10+. Only exactly what I want loaded gets loaded. Works perfectly.
You get the apk version you want rather than what Playstore is dooling out or has removed.

Apple? Bah-ha-ha-ha... sucks. What boring and expensive devices iPhones truly are.
Geared for the technically challenged🤣
That still doesn't change the fact that Exynos is slower in installing apks, no matter the source.
 

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    XDA...now where first world problems seem to have overtaken the forums.

    Unless you are in a warzone or the apocalypse is literally on your doorstep...does a few seconds really matter. Agreed it takes a few seconds longer than some phones I've had....
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    Side by side with my Huawei p30 pro, I updated Samsung browser. It took 5 seconds on Huawei and 12 seconds on my s21 ultra. I uninstalled the update and reinstall. The second time, Huawei still took 5 seconds, but the 21ultra went up to 15 seconds. The 3rd time, 16 seconds for Samsung, still 5 for Huawei.

    Huawei p30 pro has a 7nm SoC that was launched in 2018 vs a 5nm 2021 SoC on Samsung. What a shame for Samsung.

    This the only problem I have with Exynos phones. Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process.
    The Google Play services (under GMS) is responsible for installation, not Samsung. And you just said it was not the type of CPU but software with this statement "Samsung couldn't care less about optimising app instalation process". Also, you are comparing an android version 10 phone to 11, the new Google Play services now support app bundles, delivery optimisation, instant play and various other changes to the installation process.

    And you do not even know if the phone is Exynos and you are already blaming it. Look an issue, must be Exynos! Did you compare an Exynos vs Snapdragon S21? No you compared apples to oranges and got Exynos is the problem.

    Do want to know the real reason? The malware scanning device care (under automation) slows it down, if you turn this off it's a lot faster.

    You anti-Exynos people are like anti-vaxxers, "Did someone say Exynos?! Did you know that it is the number one cause of climate change! It is also responsible for the new delta strain of Covid!!!!".
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    I was wrong about Exynos being the problem. Seems like sd888 version of s21U has the same "issue", so it's a Samsung software problem in general. I compared installation speeds of Exynos 2100 vs sd888 and the Snapdragon is faster, but on a different phone, not on Samsung. I don't have acces to a sd888 Samsung phone. My bad.
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    I have noticed that no matter what app it is , big in size like 500 mb + or small in size 5 mb , it takes multiple seconds to get installed.

    It gets downloaded immediately and then it gets stuck in installing for about 7-8 seconds .

    Did not used to happen on my iphone.
    Did not see this thing in any android as well .

    What are your views?
    I've noticed this too, app install times are longer On my current Samsung than on my wife's 3 year old OnePlus 6. No question installation as well as updates are slower on my S21U.

    This is obviously not a processor related problem alone, as the 2100 is obviously more capable than the SD845 found on the OP6. There are ample metrics to prove that.

    So it boils down to software. I'm assuming it has something to do with OneUI and setting up the app to work with the UI, especially with all the scaling, split screen, app management etc that OneUI overlays on the underlying Android base. But this is only a guess, and I'm not bothered by it enough to go researching into it.

    My final take on it: I don't spend enough time on the app installation screen (watching apps install and update), for these few seconds to bother me or impact my experience with the phone. In fact, after initial setup, there are very few new apps that I install on a daily basis for these extra seconds to add up and bother me. And updates occur in the background automatically when on Wi-Fi, so I'm not even aware of that.

    If I were to sit and put two different phones side by side and compare app installation, I might be able to establish a difference. But will it change the way I use my phone? I don't think so.
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    I have seen androids quickly installing and uninstalling apps.
    Samsung s21 ultra however takes atleast double the time and resources.

    I am not much concerned about the time but resources.

    Everytime i install or uninstall an app the whole device lags/slows down for like 2-3 seconds .
    I have cleared the data of device protection to bring it to default setting ( turned off ). Now i am not sure whether the malware scanner is turned off or on by default.
    But the installation speed is still the same