Apparently the new face unlock isn’t as secure as google made it sound like

[barondebxl]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50085630

Google's Pixel 4 support website tells customers: "Your phone can also be unlocked by someone else if it's held up to your face, even if your eyes are closed." Wow


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[Exel]

What kind of people or friends are you around that this is that big of a deal?

I'm sure, in a couple of updates you will probably be able to toggle that setting on or off..

 

[barondebxl]

What kind of people or friends are you around that this is that big of a deal?

I'm sure, in a couple of updates you will probably be able to toggle that setting on or off..

Hahahahahahah. A secure biometric is supposed to be secure for a reason.


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[cheops2006]

A fix is in the works AFAIK

 

[Alcolawl]

Are you being paid to **** on the Pixel 4? The amount of threads you're making strictly to damage this device is astounding.

 

[bobby janow]

Are you being paid to **** on the Pixel 4? The amount of threads you're making strictly to damage this device is astounding.

He's just expressing his "opinion" . lol. It really reminds me of the Sammy folks and not the iPhone crowd. They usually don't care that much because it's such a different platform. I mean there's friendly banter back and forth but not the animosity of Samsung users. I am beginning to wonder if his iPhone sig is bogus. But being paid? I never really thought of that but I suppose it's a possibility. We might want to duck incoming flames unless he moved on to another forum.

When are you expecting your phone? I'm showing a date of October 23 - 25 but I know that slips sometimes.

 

[Alcolawl]

He's just expressing his "opinion" . lol. It really reminds me of the Sammy folks and not the iPhone crowd. They usually don't care that much because it's such a different platform. I mean there's friendly banter back and forth but not the animosity of Samsung users. I am beginning to wonder if his iPhone sig is bogus. But being paid? I never really thought of that but I suppose it's a possibility. We might want to duck incoming flames unless he moved on to another forum.

When are you expecting your phone? I'm showing a date of October 23 - 25 but I know that slips sometimes.

Hah, yeah now that you mention it, it does remind me of Samsung trolls. Their ferocity in voicing their hatred of competing devices is unparalleled.

Google Fi says I should receive my phone by October 24-25. I expect it to be on time. If I remember correctly my Nexus 5X and OG Pixel were right on time. I honestly can't wait, this G7 is miserable.

 

[thesebastian]

Guys....don't feed him....

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[barondebxl]

So this is a pixel 4 thread and while I’m speaking on the device, you guys are busy speaking about me [emoji23]. Who is t he troll?


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[thesebastian]

So this is a pixel 4 thread and while I’m speaking on the device, you guys are busy speaking about me [emoji23]. Who is t he troll?


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If there is anyone who is not a troll in this Pixel 4 forum, is you. You have devoted your last days to this Pixel 4 forum, you opened topics and posted probably more than anyone here.
So yeah, your are probably the user with more love for this phone in the forum.
But you are angry, like you were betrayed by the phone, because it doesn't tick all the boxes you want. And this is completely normal.

However, because of this anger, all your posts are 100% negative. There is not even a single positiveness, 0 balance. This puts your credibility at stake. (This is not normal).
And this is what I meant by not feeding you. It's pointless because you will keep using your time talking negative about the Pixel 4 and that's a waste of time.



Anyway, to put something "on topic" (because 99% of this thread and post are about you, and not the Pixel 4, and nobody enjoys or cares about that).
It seems this issue will be fixed in the future:
https://9to5google.com/2019/10/20/pixel-4-face-unlock-eyes/

This could take 1 month or much more. We don't know, but at least is what we got.
To me (subjective part of the post) this flaw is not critical and knowing that this will be fixed in the future, makes this much less of an issue.

The only person who has access to the phone while I'm sleeping is my lady. But she also knows my PIN so she could unlock the phone without interacting with me.
Let's put another example: If I'm sleeping in a Chalet with people I don't 100% know. I can always enable "Lockdown" before going to sleep.

But if it was critical for me and I need an upgrade urgently, then I'd move on to another phone and that's it.

 

[barondebxl]

If there is anyone who is not a troll in this Pixel 4 forum, is you. You have devoted your last days to this Pixel 4 forum, you opened topics and posted probably more than anyone here.

So yeah, your are probably the user with more love for this phone in the forum.

But you are angry, like you were betrayed by the phone, because it doesn't tick all the boxes you want. And this is completely normal.



However, because of this anger, all your posts are 100% negative. There is not even a single positiveness, 0 balance. This puts your credibility at stake. (This is not normal).

And this is what I meant by not feeding you. It's pointless because you will keep using your time talking negative about the Pixel 4 and that's a waste of time.







Anyway, to put something "on topic" (because 99% of this thread and post are about you, and not the Pixel 4, and nobody enjoys or cares about that).

It seems this issue will be fixed in the future:

https://9to5google.com/2019/10/20/pixel-4-face-unlock-eyes/



This could take 1 month or much more. We don't know, but at least is what we got.

To me (subjective part of the post) this flaw is not critical and knowing that this will be fixed in the future, makes this much less of an issue.



The only person who has access to the phone while I'm sleeping is my lady. But she also knows my PIN so she could unlock the phone without interacting with me.

Let's put another example: If I'm sleeping in a Chalet with people I don't 100% know. I can always enable "Lockdown" before going to sleep.



But if it was critical for me and I need an upgrade urgently, then I'd move on to another phone and that's it.

Blah blah blah blah blah. I didn’t bother reading your whole post.

I’m not angry but if you feel like I am and that makes you feel good then run with it. I’ll keep talking about the pixel and you can keep on talking about me

I keep opening threads about the phone, 2 of them, and I’m getting more attention from you guys then any other threads. I wonder why

This phone would have been decent if it was priced lower than it is. I made my statements and have my point of view. If you don’t like it then you’re the one who’s gonna keep on getting angry. It’s easy, ignore this thread and pretend it doesn’t exist, you’ll be okay. You don’t have to defend this device or tell me to buy another phone if I don’t like this one. I’ve been on xda for years so I’ve seen it all with you sensitive little men. Don’t go to YouTube to read comments about the pixel 4 if this thread pissed you off this much, you might have a heart attack cause it’s bad how ppl are bashing this device. And rightfully so. It is what it is


It’s still a security risk. They shouldn’t ship a phone like this in the first place, it’s supposed to be secure. Also you can’t use it for logging to bank apps and stuff as of yet which sucks. We’ll see how that goes.

The pixel 4xl is cool, the pixel 4 is robbery.


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[thesebastian]

Ok good to hear that everything is clarified

Cheers

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[ibsk8]

I'm not a proponent of one security measures over the other.

I don't see the security risk any different than a finger print scanner. Someone could just as easily place a sleeping person's finger to the scanner. There's a likely an increase in waking the person up by touching them but not guaranteed. If you've been drinking or partying the person probably wouldn't be woke up.

 

[barondebxl]

Ok good to hear that everything is clarified

Cheers

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Cheers.

As far as the face unlock security issue, the patch is due “in the coming months” according to the verge.


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[barondebxl]

I'm not a proponent of one security measures over the other.

I don't see the security risk any different than a finger print scanner. Someone could just as easily place a sleeping person's finger to the scanner. There's a likely an increase in waking the person up by touching them but not guaranteed. If you've been drinking or partying the person probably wouldn't be woke up.

I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.


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[ibsk8]

I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.

For many, I'm sure , the fingerprint scanner or face unlock aren't deemed 'secure' enough and will just continue to use a secure pin.

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I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.

For many, I'm sure , the fingerprint scanner or face unlock aren't deemed 'secure' enough and will just continue to use a secure pin. Each person has a different security model that fits their security needs. For the vast majority of the smartphone owning population, fingerprint or face unlock technology is secure enough for them.

As you pointed out in a previous post : "I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them."
Fingerprint is a step down from a secure PIN and can be spoofed via various methods. Face unlock is a step down from a secure PIN and can be spoofed via various methods.
When faced with the decision between fingerprint and face unlock it will be a fair trade off from a security standpoint.

If security is of a major priority a strong PIN would be my suggestion.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

Two things.

First, if you live in a situation where you fear for the safety of your possessions and/or physical privacy violations to the point that you cannot sleep without worry, you have a greater problem. If you think you have a significant risk of being knocked unconscious for your digital data or you may be killed for access to your phone, you need to examine your lifestyle. If you are that worried you should be using a passcode. Period.

Secondly, commenters on forums and blogs who are hyperbolic in their support or detraction of consumer products make me EXTREMELY suspicious. For almost a decade companies paying for FUD campaigns in the consumer space has been occuring, and gets cheaper and more voluminous everyday.

I urge everyone to use their heads and read about things from proven reviewers. Consider your individual needs and make the decision that's right for YOU. On the internet if someone posts that a product is "terrible", "horrible", "ripoff", "worthless", "trash", or "the worst" just because things like; certain features need improvement, or because the device isn't at a certain price point, be suspicious of the source.

I've been doing tech (professionally and privately) for a loooong time and it's obvious when something else is at play beyond an "opinion" whether it be professional or private.

 

[barondebxl]

Two things.

First, if you live in a situation where you fear for the safety of your possessions and/or physical privacy violations to the point that you cannot sleep without worry, you have a greater problem. If you think you have a significant risk of being knocked unconscious for your digital data or you may be killed for access to your phone, you need to examine your lifestyle. If you are that worried you should be using a passcode. Period.

Secondly, commenters on forums and blogs who are hyperbolic in their support or detraction of consumer products make me EXTREMELY suspicious. For almost a decade companies paying for FUD campaigns in the consumer space has been occuring, and gets cheaper and more voluminous everyday.

I urge everyone to use their heads and read about things from proven reviewers. Consider your individual needs and make the decision that's right for YOU. On the internet if someone posts that a product is "terrible", "horrible", "ripoff", "worthless", "trash", or "the worst" just because things like; certain features need improvement, or because the device isn't at a certain price point, be suspicious of the source.

I've been doing tech (professionally and privately) for a loooong time and it's obvious when something else is at play beyond an "opinion" whether it be professional or private.

Bravo, you got me I’m a paid Samsung employee! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] that’s your “professional “ opinion hahahahahha I swear to God I’m laughing so hard right now.


Well I guess there’s no need for biometric security. I’m in fear of physical violation and I cannot sleep without worry, you sir are better than Sherlock Holmes, you have totally discovered me!

Let’s switch gears, Here’s a good article about the pixel 4 battery life:

https://www.droid-life.com/2019/10/21/pixel-4-battery-life/




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[Dusty Rhodes]

Glad you're so happy about... umm whatever.
Obviously you have a problem with anything Pixel related and have a bone to pick. I'll quote myself, "It's obvious when something else is at play..."
Good luck in your search. Don't bother replying you're on my ignore list.

 

[barondebxl]

Glad you're so happy about... umm whatever.
Obviously you have a problem with anything Pixel related and have a bone to pick. I'll quote myself, "It's obvious when something else is at play..."
Good luck in your search. Don't bother replying you're on my ignore list.

[emoji3064] [emoji24]




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