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Icefeldt

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After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.

I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.

So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?

My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
 

marchnz

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Yes. I've written about this a bunch. Look for my posts

You really don't need a modified "hal/mal" ROM with FYT.

Buggy MTCD is dead, long live MTCD :)
 

ludditefornow

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Very happy with my Navifly 7862 4gb. GPS is terrific and can't recall an unexpected reboot. Radio app is a bit naff but bang for buck, I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Bluetooth to phone is seamless and hotspot from phone via macro works like a charm.

If you are the sort of person who looks to find fault, you probably won't be happy. If you just want a system that works for the most part and you know the interface limitations, you will be fine.
 

Bob_Sanders

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After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.

I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.

So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?

My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".

Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though

For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd
 

marchnz

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I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".

Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though

For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd

I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.

Context is everything.

What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.

I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.

On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!

Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.

Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
 
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Bob_Sanders

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I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.

Context is everything.

What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.

I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.

On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!

Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.

Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.

I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.

And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.

Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.
 

marchnz

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Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.

I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.

And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.

Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.

Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
 

Bob_Sanders

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Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?

Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)

z Dasaita Wiring Diagram.jpg
 

marchnz

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Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?

Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)

View attachment 5452281

Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.

All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.

Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.


You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.

The point is, the newer FYT units blow the MTCx units away in nearly every aspect, especially sound, while providing for the same features and more than the MTCx platform.
 

Bob_Sanders

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Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.

All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.

Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.

As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"

You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.

I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.
 

marchnz

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Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.

As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"


I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.

I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.

I think I was highly skeptical like you initially, the chinese origin headunits appear to be largely copies and reuse, with little improvements between generations. I was surprised at just how good, at least my unit is.

Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.

At least the FYT unit I have, which is an YIN 53 / Mekede has inputs you mention. It's also listed on the schematic diagram obtained from 4pda.

Regarding the optical output, consider optical provides a multichannel noise immune method to connect a power amp via a single "cable."

Don't forget the MCUs on the MTCx platform are the same between processors, also bugs are widely reported in the MTCD forums, including PX6.

Maybe we agree to disagree.
 
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dbmgreen

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I have owned several Joying units over the last 5 years or so, with generally good experiences. Last July/Aug I installed an SC 9853i in my Kluger/Highlander.

Recently a couple of things have gone pear shaped.

1) The google play store needs "uninstall updates" to function (had this with the older devices as well)
2) Waze and google maps are "freezing" sometimes very quickly sometimes after an hour.
3) The built in 4G has disappeared and I now only get 3G/H+ (this is subsequent a firmware update, which installed older modem firmware)

I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.

They (Joying) were very good in the past sending me a new unit when the screen got a white ring around it, but really have had no luck with them resolving these issues.

I would probably buy a new device off them, but not the same device, the only problem is their website doesn't really have detailed enough information to make an assessment/comparison of the underlying hardware in each of their different models.
 

marchnz

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Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.

My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.
 

forgivegod

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I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...

Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.
 

forgivegod

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if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Yea. I'm on my 2nd joying for my 2010 Rav4. I highly recommend getting one with buttons/knobs. Its very annoying to change volume by screen touching (even if you have steering controls). It seems the devices go thru these rounds of improvement that go like
Version 1 : great new screen, no buttons, no knobs
Version 2 : same new screen, touch buttons
Version 3 : same new screen, knobs and actual buttons

My only gripe is lack of customization of radio app, and the icons on the launcher have stupid large borders (wish the app icon was simply displayed)

I think they are coming out with a whole new ui
 

dbmgreen

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Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...

Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.

Nah all good, have reset a number of times, and reloaded every version of firmware available to me. I only got the device in 2020 AUG, I feel like it may have had slightly different firmware on it (to what is available for download) based on the screenshots I sent to Joying when I was initially trying to troubleshoot. Yes even wiped completely twip_all.

I think its is running hot 70-90 degrees but this is a recent problem, it ran fine for 12 months.

We use (did use) 4G module for a hotspot in the car for all the passengers, it had worked seamlessly up until joying sent me their firmware :(

I wish I could identify what model they are selling for the 2018 Highlander, I would just buy a new one. I do like their product, and I'm currently 1 of three dodgy products with no resolution :) --- Chinese vendors
 

marchnz

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What "brand" are you looking at :)

ro.build.fytmanufacturer=116
MCU = NOR

Seller was Mekede. There is no "brand" on Android head units, only factory. You would be taking a gamble buying from any seller without asking for screenshots of the system info, they might ship a unit from any number of factories and therefore variants.
 

christan

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Question to the Joying owners in here ... Some people were complaining about the old Intel-based chip units from Joying having buggy firmware, I haven't really read this about the new UIS-based units. Did you notice noteworthy bootloops, bugs etc.?
 

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