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Monaco72

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Hi Guys. I discovered the forum here and the people who are also not entirely satisfied with the mi 11 lite 5g and the oled display.
My display feels relatively sharp and easy to read. But knowing that is a drama. Check out my review below. I took a few pictures and maybe someone will see which display was installed on me.

I have had the mi 11lite 5g in black with 8gb and 128gb for a good 5 weeks.
Before that, I used a low budget xiaomi Redmi note 7 for a good 2 years, which accompanied me very well and was very satisfied.
Since xiaomi has only been releasing larger and heavier devices lately, I have not yet been able to decide on a new device!

Then the xiaomi mi 11 lite 5g was introduced and I was blown away by the weight of the device. The size is only slightly larger than my redmi note 7.

My experiences in the 2 weeks are as follows.
Optics. Holding a very beautiful and light device in your hand is a dream.
Display! At first I was a little disappointed! After years of using an LCD display, I had promised myself a slightly bigger wow effect from the oled. Yes black is black.
But somehow my display has a slight hint of green with the color white! (Very minimal)
Then I dealt a little more with the settings for color. Lo and behold, there is an extended mode where you can control the RGB colors individually. I only turned the full bar back minimally for green and lo and behold, the touch of the green tinge is gone.
It doesn't seem to be optimally calibrated at the factory or it is due to my device !?
Let's get to the speakers.
They are really good and can be loud without consuming. Bass shouldn't be expected from such a thin device.
I think the quality of the conversation is very good. The person you are speaking to can be heard loud and clear, and the other person confirms that they are easy to understand.
The camera takes good pictures and is only a little exaggerated with one of the colors! That would be green, what you could see in the test.
I was impressed with the video recordings, the microphone quality! You can hear what is spoken clearly.
Up until now, xiaomi would have always had problems, which was also a bit better with a pocco f3 with an additional microphone, but not great either.
In terms of power consumption, I can only compare it with my old redmi note 7, which consumes a little more. Well, the device also has completely different performance data.
However, I am impressed with my old redmi note 7 how economical the device is, with a very old snapdragon 660 process and 4000 mAh battery.

Conclusion. Since the mi 11lite 5g is still relatively new, some updates and optimizations will certainly come here and there.

For me personally, it's the perfect device.
Only wireless charging would have been the icing on the cake, what they could have given the device.
This may come with the next model, the mi 12 lite .........
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shokmah

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Thanks for the feedback, mine was also bought from Mi France and it came with Tianma. I ordered it in black.

What is your feedback on the screen quality? does it look sharp?
It's sharp enough for me. the only screen I can compare to is the 442ppi 5" amoled that comes with yotaphone 2 and pretty much the same for me.
I can notice the pixels if I get as close as 20cm or so from screen but I almost never do that as you cannot see the whole screen.

as mater of fact I use dark mode like 99.999% of time (and amoled theme for apps that allow it)
dunno if it affects my perception.

beside this, videos and photos look neat so far.
this phone is light and almost perfect (miui have too many bugs)
 

cabezazo

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Considering Mi 11 Lite 5G's differential features (uncommonly thin & light profile with high refresh rate OLED screen + 5G) and the fact that Xiaomi is not promoting / flash deal discounting it (as opposed to other Mi 11 series phones, at least here in Spain) makes me think there's something wrong they're (hopefully) trying to address before giving it more exposure. From a business perspective, that'd make sense if they wanted to minimize negative impact on the company.

For whatever's worth, here you are a link to a thread in Spanish concerning issues with Mi 11 Lite 5G (Mi Community)
 

sirgoldi

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Considering Mi 11 Lite 5G's differential features (uncommonly thin & light profile with high refresh rate OLED screen + 5G) and the fact that Xiaomi is not promoting / flash deal discounting it (as opposed to other Mi 11 series phones, at least here in Spain) makes me think there's something wrong they're (hopefully) trying to address before giving it more exposure. From a business perspective, that'd make sense if they wanted to minimize negative impact on the company.

For whatever's worth, here you are a link to a thread in Spanish concerning issues with Mi 11 Lite 5G (Mi Community)

Looks like ultra low profile (especially considering not that small battery even for today standards) come with a few problems. As you said that might be the reason when they are careful about promoting this device. Looking at Xiaomi's portfolio, this is kind of experiment.

Anybody got MIUI 12.5 in Europe? I'm in UK (phone from Vodafone) and still on 12.0.2.
 

pl1992aw

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Anybody got MIUI 12.5 in Europe? I'm in UK (phone from Vodafone) and still on 12.0.2.

Vodafone MIUI might be special made. Only when Vodafone release the update, then you can get it.

If you check update and there's no update after 12.0.2.0, then that's it for now for Vodafone official version.

If you want to try the newer 12.5.1.0 version, you have to unlock bootloader and flash other region ROMs.

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And about locking bootloader after flashing EEA or global, personally will not risk it. But there's success case in other phone models as written here:

NEVER lock bootloader when you have a non-China region phone with China ROMs.
 
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sirgoldi

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Vodafone MIUI might be special made. Only when Vodafone release the update, then you can get it.

If you check update and there's no update after 12.0.2.0, then that's it for now for Vodafone official version.

If you want to try the newer 12.5.1.0 version, you have to unlock bootloader and flash other region ROMs.

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And about locking bootloader after flashing EEA or global, personally will not risk it. But there's success case in other phone models as written here:

NEVER lock bootloader when you have a non-China region phone with China ROMs.
I think I'm not going to risk it then.

Anyway, I have absolutely no idea why they put Vodafone rom. Phone is unlocked to other networks and there is not even single Vodafone app or other bloatware than Xiaomi's.

Absolutely ridiculous. And I have a feeling that updates will be long delayed and at some point no longer available.
 

cabezazo

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Looks like ultra low profile (especially considering not that small battery even for today standards) come with a few problems. As you said that might be the reason when they are careful about promoting this device. Looking at Xiaomi's portfolio, this is kind of experiment.
I believe many people would be interested if other companies followed suit (devices with capable specs, a big screen and reasonable battery size, but also thin & light profile); however, based on feedback on the Mi 11 Lite 5G, it might not be that easy to pull off.

You hit the nail on the head: just an experiment so far.
 

sirgoldi

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I believe many people would be interested if other companies followed suit (devices with capable specs, a big screen and reasonable battery size, but also thin & light profile); however, based on feedback on the Mi 11 Lite 5G, it might not be that easy to pull off.

You hit the nail on the head: just an experiment so far.
Even though my first contact with this phone was quite disappointing because of poor display sharpness, I still think it's a phone one of a kind and will keep it in the end as I see no alternative really. I bought it mainly because of RN8Pro weight (okay, Vodafone deal - £269 plus free MI Band 6 was convincing) and while I kind used to display (still disappointed about it and real resolution is the biggest problem but not the only one, I just prefer LCDs and that's it), I can't accept RN8Pro weight anymore. Additionaly I'm getting here more RAM, loud speakers even if they offer quite "basic" sound, absolutely amazing performance (can't believe they name it Snap 7xx series...!), okayish cameras and I think those will be improved as Snap 780 is too new to offer full potential it terms of software optimization.
 
Ah thanks. So patience is everything now. :)
V12.5.1.0.RKIEUXM went live on June 5th, MIUI updates aren't tied to any carrier.

You may have to check for updates multiple times till you get it. They usually roll out updates in phases, which means yours is yet to receive it.

If you're using V12.0.8.0 now and don't want to wait, you can download the OTA package yourself and install it.

V12.0.8.0 to V12.5.1.0 Europe
 
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If you're using V12.0.8.0 now and don't want to wait, you can download the OTA package yourself and install it.

V12.0.8.0 to V12.5.1.0 Europe
Easy steps on how to install OTA updates manually :
  1. Within your phone, navigate to Settings > About Phone > MIUI Version, and then press the three-dot icon in the top-right corner, and select “Choose Update Package”.
  2. If the “Choose Update Package” option is missing, tap on the MIUI logo 10 times to activate the option.
  3. Choose the downloaded .zip file.
  4. Wait for the update to install.
Please bear in mind that the update process will only start if your phone is on V12.0.8.0 Europe. Any other version and region will refuse to update.
 

shokmah

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12.5 ota has been released for 5G version, not 4G.
didn't know that, just read like 2 days ago about miui 12.5.2 went live on Mi 11 lite.
V12.5.1.0.RKIEUXM went live on June 5th, MIUI updates aren't tied to any carrier.

You may have to check for updates multiple times till you get it. They usually roll out updates in phases, which means yours is yet to receive it.

If you're using V12.0.8.0 now and don't want to wait, you can download the OTA package yourself and install it.

V12.0.8.0 to V12.5.1.0 Europe
thanks, did the second.
labels and UI in general seems to look sharper. (can't be assertive about this, may be a perception bias )
 

sirgoldi

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V12.5.1.0.RKIEUXM went live on June 5th, MIUI updates aren't tied to any carrier.

You may have to check for updates multiple times till you get it. They usually roll out updates in phases, which means yours is yet to receive it.

If you're using V12.0.8.0 now and don't want to wait, you can download the OTA package yourself and install it.

V12.0.8.0 to V12.5.1.0 Europe
I'm on 12.0.2.RKIEUVF (Vodafone) I'm afraid.
 

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    FOURTH phone. Green Mint from Xiaomi UK. Difference is DAY AND NIGHT.

    I consider this display clearer than Redmi Note 8 Pro while Tianma is clearly the worst performer. What an absolute joke. I wasn't convinced that difference is there but after displays side by side showed by one user I knew I couldn't go wrong with this last gamble.
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    Which colour by the way? my both orders on Mi France website were Limited Edition Truffle Black, and both came with Tianma.
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    I knew right away when I saw the screen, everything was clear unlike the tianma one which looks like stretched resolution. If Xiaomi ever say that both screens are indistinguishable, that's an absolute lie.

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    I have not checked but since I have the problem of black pixels I already know which display I have. but I have no desire and time to trying the luck to buy the right one sooner or later. So I ask: is it a problem that can be solved by updating or will it always remain so? Changing with a custom rom in the future the problem will remain the same can it be solved?
    Yes it can be fixed. (Mostly)
    *for those that don't want to read detail and explanations you can skip down to Calibration*

    There are actually two issues with this panel, both related to calibration.

    I'll start with color temperature since I think this is the one causing the most issues for folks. I won't bother to link the specific review sites, but some tech reviewers take the time to run calMAN on smart phones and my numbers are based on those.

    Most phones are calibrated to around 7400K, this is a "cool" temperature. This gives a slight blue push, and the human eye (mostly) likes this profile. It makes the colors "pop" and seem more vibrant, it gives the impression of sharpness and detail. The Mi 11 Lite however has a color temperature set at 5400K. This is a "warm" temperature, and gives a slight orange/yellow push. Our eyes perceive this as dull, and less sharp/detailed. Neither of these temperature is correct, but one is (better) preferred over the other. The correct temperature is 6500K which is the color temperature that all movies, TV and photography are created in. If any content made at 6500K is viewed on a screen with a higher or lower temperature the color rendering will be wrong. I think what people are seeing when they compare two phones is a difference in the color temperature between the two phones and it comes down to the way our eyes perceive color and detail.

    Gamma.

    Gamma should be set at around 2.2 and it should be fairly consistent between 48%, 25% and 10%. On my phone the Gamma is 1.5, 1.7 and 1.8 respectively. These numbers are clearly too low, way off the standard. Gamma that is set too low will reduce the ability of the panel to display proper color range/detail. This is most evident in the Black/Grey color space and is likely the culprit when people talk about pixelation and "black crush".

    The Saving Grace. Settings > Display > Color Scheme > Advanced Settings >

    Pre-Calibration:
    I used my DataColor Spyder Express colorimeter and Auto-calibrated my PC monitor.
    The above pattern is used to set brightness and contrast on LCD panels, brightness sets the black and contrast sets the white point.
    These pictures were used to check the results of calibration. In particular the 2nd picture with the three ladies, a very fair skinned blonde, an Asian women and a Black women. The skin tones should look natural not tinted or "off", in general none of the colors on this picture should look over saturated or over sharp.

    CALIBRATION:

    On My Phone - Adjustments were made in "light mode" (not dark mode) < important. I selected the sRGB color space because that is what would have been used for the photos AFIK. Using the first test pattern, https://www.photofriday.com/info/calibrate to set the black and white levels. I turned the brightness to 80% ish on the slider (Auto off obviously) and the contrast I left as is.
    [Note: The correct method to set white point is usually to crank the contrast to max and then back it off until you see the 3 distinct white shades in the circle. On this phone though that was only slightly higher than the 50% default setting anyway so I left it as is. I kind of felt that setting it higher might be counter productive since part of the issue I was trying to resolve is lower detail in blacks and I thought a higher setting might just amplify the problem.]

    The sliders are approximately 60mm, so my adjustments are from left to right in mm.
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    G - 24mm ,so slightly lower than the red
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    Blue - I set this last, My setting ended being around 41mm or around 66%. After you've adjusted the R&G sliders and with the B still at 100% you'll see that the screen has a pretty strong Blue tint. If you drop the Blue slider down to the left you'll see a distinctive orange/yellowish tint the lower it goes. The correct level should be somewhere in between when the screen actually looks white. For me this was approximately 41mm.

    Gamma - this is a funny one. I'm not sure what this is actually supposed to do (on this phone) or what it actually ends up doing. Setting the slider down to the left does seem to reduce/eliminate the pixelation on very dark/black screens. I ended up setting Gamma to 10mm roughly 17%, seemed to be a sweet spot for my panel.
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    Prior to calibration I ran a Netflix movie "Space Sweepers". I selected this because it's a space movie and will likely show any defects or detail loss in the Blacks, plenty of dark screens/scenes. During the opening credits there was a distinct and rather annoying pixelation. This is odd because it should just be a static color background, it should display only one shade of black or near black with the text so seeing pixelation is a strange result. While watching the actual movie though I couldn't see any noticeable artifacts or distortions or pixelation.
    Post calibration the movie, including the opening credits played fine. I'm guessing this is mostly the result of the Gamma slider adjustment.

    All in all I'm very pleased with the results and the time I spent correcting the calibration of this phones panel, all content looks much more accurate. Photos I took now look correct when viewed on my phone (yay), colors look spot on. This is particularly noticeable in pictures with trees and grass which previously looked wrong, trees looking too green and grass looking way too bright. Now those same pics look rich in color and pretty much the same as if I stand outside and look at the same scene I took the picture of.

    HDR - WTF. When viewing HDR content the phone detects and switches to a HDR Mode, disregarding all my custom calibration settings.
    Since I only have a HD Netflix account I can only comment on what I've viewed on YouTube... which can be kind of sketchy. Some HDR content looks stunning. Amazing color range and texture details that are in a different class when compared to my Mi 6 IPS panel, in a completely different league. Some HDR content though can really hi-lite the issues with this panel. Color banding and loss of detail in black/near black. There should be no color banding at all on a 10bit panel and I believe this can all be traced back to the awful Gamma results I discussed earler. I will bring this to the attention of Xiaomi but I'm not sure it can be fixed. It could very well be baked in to the specific panel hardware and an update, even if Xiaomi was inclined to issue one, might not be able to fix the problem.

    To anyone that tries these adjustments please let me know if it improved your experience with this panel.
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    I bought a mi 11 lite 5G a few days ago, and it's a great phone. On the other hand, I thought the screen was not great, I felt like everything was blurry compared to my old Samsung A5 2016 (also having a 1080p amoled).

    After asking around on Reddit, it looks like Xiaomi is using two different screen suppliers, with two different technologies.
    The video below explains it perfectly well.

    So it is possible to come across a "PenTile" (or diamond) screen, a classic for AMOLED, or else a "RGB Delta" screen.

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    I'm really disappointed with Xiaomi, either you get a good screen or a not so good one... I tried to contact the support to have more information, but without more.
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    GOT HUAXING! YES!

    FOURTH phone. Green Mint from Xiaomi UK. Difference is DAY AND NIGHT.

    I consider this display clearer than Redmi Note 8 Pro while Tianma is clearly the worst performer. What an absolute joke. I wasn't convinced that difference is there but after displays side by side showed by one user I knew I couldn't go wrong with this last gamble.
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    Hi. I got Mi 11 Lite 5G from Vodafone in UK. Black colour. Display is absolute disaster. Clarity is like in cheap phone 7 years ago. Additionally this display uses 3.8 TIMES more mAh in auto brightness then IPS in my Redmi Note 8 Pro causing much faster battery drain. It was in 90 Hz but now I'm testing in 60 Hz and it will be approximately around double what RM8 Pro needs for display.

    This is absolute joke Xiaomi. They sent reviewers good phones and scamming customers with cheap junk displays.

    For that reason I can't see any other choice than return this phone. I was so excited because of lightweightness and there we go... I feel Xiaomi scammed me. This is nowhere premium or midrange display. This is cheapest of the cheapest AMOLED. RN8 Pro IPS feels like Lamborghini compared to that junk. Mi Lite 5G screen is so unclear it causes huge discomfort for my eyes.

    Thanks for this thread.
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    That's a fair point, thank you. I checked it with my previous phone which has a LCD panel - turns out, it's more sharper than the AMOLED on the Mi 11 Lite 5G which is really strange.
    That's not strange at all. LCD's uses pure RGB matrix and it 's always sharper than pentile at a given resolution. A 1080p LCD is comparable to a 1440p amoled with pentile.

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