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beserker15

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- Again, with same settings as above and if you tap to focus an area, S21U blurs everything else out but Note 20U still keeps other items in the picture in focus(which I prefer since I am not selecting portrait mode for Bokeh effect). So in short S21U has aggressive targeted area focus logic which explains many people saying S21U photos look blurry. Samsung needs to provide a toggle or a slider to choose focus aggressiveness on S21U

Do you happen to have both phones now? If so, can you check the exif to see if they're both using the main camera? Both have the same sensor size and aperture. Logically speaking, when focused on the same spot, should create the same or very similar focal plane. On my S21U, if I have focus enhancer on, for closer objects it will switch to the ultra wide and crop in to get a wider focal plane. Curious if this is what your Note is doing.
 

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Can you guys post night mode/low light pics with march Snapdragon update? also post the build/firmware version? thanks.

@pafc66 and others that have this update. Try to recreate some before and after low ligt/night mode shots?

ALSO, it should be known by now, that Samsung phones works best if you tap to focus before taking the shot, and don't forget to keep steady even during daylight.
 

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Can you guys post night mode/low light pics with march Snapdragon update? also post the build/firmware version? thanks.

@pafc66 and others that have this update. Try to recreate some before and after low ligt/night mode shots?

ALSO, it should be known by now, that Samsung phones works best if you tap to focus before taking the shot, and don't forget to keep steady even during daylight.
I tried the other day in challenging conditions, night+street lights+heavy rain.
What I noticed mostly is the inconsistency of the auto mode.
As you can see, the auto named pictures are not consistent.
The ones called "pro" are where I took the time to change the settings by hand. They are darker than real life but I like them better.

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VICosPhi

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Do you happen to have both phones now? If so, can you check the exif to see if they're both using the main camera? Both have the same sensor size and aperture. Logically speaking, when focused on the same spot, should create the same or very similar focal plane. On my S21U, if I have focus enhancer on, for closer objects it will switch to the ultra wide and crop in to get a wider focal plane. Curious if this is what your Note is doing.

Yes I still have both and using Note20U as primary phone due to camera focus being sharper for overall image and it being 20 grams lighter (built-in S-pen is nice to have as well)

Sorry should have mentioned that I tested with main camera and verified in EXIF data as well. I think either the new sensor Samsung used in S21U causes this overblown Bokeh or it is a software thing in S21U.

Focus enhancer was turned on during macro shots testing as that feature is only available on S21U and Note20U does not have a focus enhancer.
 

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Yes I still have both and using Note20U as primary phone due to camera focus being sharper for overall image and it being 20 grams lighter (built-in S-pen is nice to have as well)

Sorry should have mentioned that I tested with main camera and verified in EXIF data as well. I think either the new sensor Samsung used in S21U causes this overblown Bokeh or it is a software thing in S21U.

Focus enhancer was turned on during macro shots testing as that feature is only available on S21U and Note20U does not have a focus enhancer.

Could you post comparison pics of the photos focused on the same spot? I had the S20 Ultra which also has a similar sensor and I didn't really notice a difference. Though I only had them side by side for less than a week before I sold it my S20U lol.
 

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I tried the other day in challenging conditions, night+street lights+heavy rain.
What I noticed mostly is the inconsistency of the auto mode.
As you can see, the auto named pictures are not consistent.
The ones called "pro" are where I took the time to change the settings by hand. They are darker than real life but I like them better.

Latest ver for SD888

Definitely the pro pics are quite better did you used pro mode, or just dropped the exposure?
 

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Yes I still have both and using Note20U as primary phone due to camera focus being sharper for overall image and it being 20 grams lighter (built-in S-pen is nice to have as well)

Sorry should have mentioned that I tested with main camera and verified in EXIF data as well. I think either the new sensor Samsung used in S21U causes this overblown Bokeh or it is a software thing in S21U.

Day to day usage I see very little difference between my wifes Note 20 U and my S21 U.

The bokeh effect on the S21 U is amazing though, close up its real bokeh not fake, and I personally love it. For photography bokeh is the main difference between a £50 lens and £500
0 lens.

HOWEVER the AF on the S21U back focuses ALOT. For some reason it will consistently miss the focus on where you tap the screen in some situations. Manual focus delivers much better results but than you loss HDR with I love on this camera.

Samsung need to relase some software to allow for manual overide in auto mode - so essentially a 'P' mode that is found on all half decent cameras.

I've found the software implementation of fake bokeh to be identical on both phones. They are both very good, and unless pixel peeping will pass for images from a real f 1.8 stop zoom lens.

I do agree on weight and design of the Note 20 U been nicer + S pen. For my next phone upgrade I think I'll get the Note rather than the S series if Samsung keeps the Note going.
 
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Definitely the pro pics are quite better did you used pro mode, or just dropped the exposure?
I don't recall exactly but yes, I mostly played with exposure, shutter speed and a bit of white balance to make it match better to real life.
I suppose I could have done better, but I was fighting with my umbrella at the same time, haha
 
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I'd wish Samsung would offer options to turn off their cheap unsharp mask and denoising. The overall performance of their sensors are pretty good, why would you force people to have a photo style you prefer? Let people decide how to alter the sensor results. I know, RAW hasn't that post processing. However, denoising is still noticable and also cheap compared to professional denoising filters.

Gcam had shown us in the past Galaxy generations that the sensor can so so much more.
 
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I'd wish Samsung would offer options to turn of their cheap unsharp mask and denoising. The overall performance of their sensors are pretty good, why would you force people to have a photo style you prefer? Let people decide how to alter the sensor results. I know, RAW hasn't that post processing. However, denoising is still noticable and also cheap compared to professional denoising filters.

Gcam had shown us in the past Galaxy generations that the sensor can so so much more.

The one that meets your requirements is the Google Pixel model. Obviously you are not Samsung’s main customer base.
 
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The one that meets your requirements is the Google Pixel model. Obviously you are not Samsung’s main customer base.
I'd wish Samsung would offer options to turn of their cheap unsharp mask and denoising. The overall performance of their sensors are pretty good, why would you force people to have a photo style you prefer? Let people decide how to alter the sensor results. I know, RAW hasn't that post processing. However, denoising is still noticable and also cheap compared to professional denoising filters.

Gcam had shown us in the past Galaxy generations that the sensor can so so much more.

the problem is not only samsung but especially android, because google prevents the constructor from accessing the source kernel which allows to fully exploit the photo and video material because if google does this the pixel range is no longer of any interest because they are not at the hardware level
 
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The one that meets your requirements is the Google Pixel model. Obviously you are not Samsung’s main customer base.

I mentioned Gcam only to get a comparison with a good camera app which handles the sensor output differently. I am a Samsung user since Note 1.
 

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I tried the other day in challenging conditions, night+street lights+heavy rain.
What I noticed mostly is the inconsistency of the auto mode.
As you can see, the auto named pictures are not consistent.
The ones called "pro" are where I took the time to change the settings by hand. They are darker than real life but I like them better.

Latest ver for SD888
I noticed the same.Doing it's "magic" as it pleases.The pro mode on your closer shot looks so much crispier, but the detail of the tree gets lost, which the automatic mode renders quite well. What is really annoying, that in low light it does not always take the 10x or 3x you choose,but you do not see it instantly, as there is no indicator what lens you are on..And what I noticed:do not try to "adjust" the image detail after getting to shoot with the the 3x or 10x, cause it will jump to the zoom lens, without indication.Nice pics!
 
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kipue

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I noticed the same.Doing it's "magic" as it pleases.The pro mode on your closer shot looks so much crispier, but the detail of the tree gets lost, which the automatic mode renders quite well. What is really annoying, that in low light it does not always take the 10x or 3x you choose,but you do not see it instantly, as there is no indicator what lens you are on..And what I noticed:do not try to "adjust" the image detail after getting to shoot with the the 3x or 10x, cause it will jump to the zoom lens, without indication.Nice pics!
I noticed that yes.
Makes me think that like many say here, software updates will probably help a lot.
 
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Gzoom82

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So I found something 'portrait' mode struggled with, not a bad attempt but clearly bike wasn't in the Samsung AI brief, so close but not quite around the wheels and spoke at the rear wheel. So so close to achieving the same effect as a DSLR with f 1.8 lens:)

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This is reason why you need Bokeh, sharpness means little if you cannot separate the subject from the background :(.

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Could you post comparison pics of the photos focused on the same spot? I had the S20 Ultra which also has a similar sensor and I didn't really notice a difference. Though I only had them side by side for less than a week before I sold it my S20U lol.

Sure, here you go. The one that autofocuses on the water bottle(which is what should happen imo) is Note20U, and one that focuses on the wall is S21U




Day to day usage I see very little difference between my wifes Note 20 U and my S21 U.

The bokeh effect on the S21 U is amazing though, close up its real bokeh not fake, and I personally love it. For photography bokeh is the main difference between a £50 lens and £500
0 lens.

HOWEVER the AF on the S21U back focuses ALOT. For some reason it will consistently miss the focus on where you tap the screen in some situations. Manual focus delivers much better results but than you loss HDR with I love on this camera.

Samsung need to relase some software to allow for manual overide in auto mode - so essentially a 'P' mode that is found on all half decent cameras.

I've found the software implementation of fake bokeh to be identical on both phones. They are both very good, and unless pixel peeping will pass for images from a real f 1.8 stop zoom lens.

I do agree on weight and design of the Note 20 U been nicer + S pen. For my next phone upgrade I think I'll get the Note rather than the S series if Samsung keeps the Note going.

Yeah hopefully Samsung continues making Note series. The added screen real estate makes a huge difference as well. Bokeh is great on both phones, S21U maybe slightly better but I just wish that they give some manual control in auto mode to control the Bokeh intensity.
 

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Sure, here you go. The one that autofocuses on the water bottle(which is what should happen imo) is Note20U, and one that focuses on the wall is S21U






Yeah hopefully Samsung continues making Note series. The added screen real estate makes a huge difference as well. Bokeh is great on both phones, S21U maybe slightly better but I just wish that they give some manual control in auto mode to control the Bokeh intensity.
you know that you can manually change the focus point in post ???
 

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