Do you happen to have both phones now? If so, can you check the exif to see if they're both using the main camera? Both have the same sensor size and aperture. Logically speaking, when focused on the same spot, should create the same or very similar focal plane. On my S21U, if I have focus enhancer on, for closer objects it will switch to the ultra wide and crop in to get a wider focal plane. Curious if this is what your Note is doing.
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Do you happen to have both phones now? If so, can you check the exif to see if they're both using the main camera? Both have the same sensor size and aperture. Logically speaking, when focused on the same spot, should create the same or very similar focal plane. On my S21U, if I have focus enhancer on, for closer objects it will switch to the ultra wide and crop in to get a wider focal plane. Curious if this is what your Note is doing.
Can you guys post night mode/low light pics with march Snapdragon update? also post the build/firmware version? thanks.
@pafc66 and others that have this update. Try to recreate some before and after low ligt/night mode shots?
ALSO, it should be known by now, that Samsung phones works best if you tap to focus before taking the shot, and don't forget to keep steady even during daylight.
@pafc66 and others that have this update. Try to recreate some before and after low ligt/night mode shots?
ALSO, it should be known by now, that Samsung phones works best if you tap to focus before taking the shot, and don't forget to keep steady even during daylight.
I tried the other day in challenging conditions, night+street lights+heavy rain.
What I noticed mostly is the inconsistency of the auto mode.
As you can see, the auto named pictures are not consistent.
The ones called "pro" are where I took the time to change the settings by hand. They are darker than real life but I like them better.
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Yes I still have both and using Note20U as primary phone due to camera focus being sharper for overall image and it being 20 grams lighter (built-in S-pen is nice to have as well)
Sorry should have mentioned that I tested with main camera and verified in EXIF data as well. I think either the new sensor Samsung used in S21U causes this overblown Bokeh or it is a software thing in S21U.
Focus enhancer was turned on during macro shots testing as that feature is only available on S21U and Note20U does not have a focus enhancer.
Could you post comparison pics of the photos focused on the same spot? I had the S20 Ultra which also has a similar sensor and I didn't really notice a difference. Though I only had them side by side for less than a week before I sold it my S20U lol.
Definitely the pro pics are quite better did you used pro mode, or just dropped the exposure?
Day to day usage I see very little difference between my wifes Note 20 U and my S21 U.
The bokeh effect on the S21 U is amazing though, close up its real bokeh not fake, and I personally love it. For photography bokeh is the main difference between a £50 lens and £500
0 lens.
HOWEVER the AF on the S21U back focuses ALOT. For some reason it will consistently miss the focus on where you tap the screen in some situations. Manual focus delivers much better results but than you loss HDR with I love on this camera.
Samsung need to relase some software to allow for manual overide in auto mode - so essentially a 'P' mode that is found on all half decent cameras.
I've found the software implementation of fake bokeh to be identical on both phones. They are both very good, and unless pixel peeping will pass for images from a real f 1.8 stop zoom lens.
I do agree on weight and design of the Note 20 U been nicer + S pen. For my next phone upgrade I think I'll get the Note rather than the S series if Samsung keeps the Note going.
I don't recall exactly but yes, I mostly played with exposure, shutter speed and a bit of white balance to make it match better to real life.
I suppose I could have done better, but I was fighting with my umbrella at the same time, haha
I'd wish Samsung would offer options to turn off their cheap unsharp mask and denoising. The overall performance of their sensors are pretty good, why would you force people to have a photo style you prefer? Let people decide how to alter the sensor results. I know, RAW hasn't that post processing. However, denoising is still noticable and also cheap compared to professional denoising filters.
Gcam had shown us in the past Galaxy generations that the sensor can so so much more.
Gcam had shown us in the past Galaxy generations that the sensor can so so much more.
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The one that meets your requirements is the Google Pixel model. Obviously you are not Samsung’s main customer base.
the problem is not only samsung but especially android, because google prevents the constructor from accessing the source kernel which allows to fully exploit the photo and video material because if google does this the pixel range is no longer of any interest because they are not at the hardware level
I mentioned Gcam only to get a comparison with a good camera app which handles the sensor output differently. I am a Samsung user since Note 1.
I have just got the S21U and pets are still kryponite it seems in mixed to low light.
Over the last year or 2 I have tried various gcams across snapdragon and exynos models and none of them were as good as the stock camera. I guess I just never found a decent config.
Over the last year or 2 I have tried various gcams across snapdragon and exynos models and none of them were as good as the stock camera. I guess I just never found a decent config.
Was a pompous, ridiculous comment. Jesus.
Anyway, both my snapdragon and exynos versions are returned. Pity. Cause they're so much potential there.
I think Samsung will get it right in the next generation or two
I noticed the same.Doing it's "magic" as it pleases.The pro mode on your closer shot looks so much crispier, but the detail of the tree gets lost, which the automatic mode renders quite well. What is really annoying, that in low light it does not always take the 10x or 3x you choose,but you do not see it instantly, as there is no indicator what lens you are on..And what I noticed:do not try to "adjust" the image detail after getting to shoot with the the 3x or 10x, cause it will jump to the zoom lens, without indication.Nice pics!
I noticed that yes.
Makes me think that like many say here, software updates will probably help a lot.
So I found something 'portrait' mode struggled with, not a bad attempt but clearly bike wasn't in the Samsung AI brief, so close but not quite around the wheels and spoke at the rear wheel. So so close to achieving the same effect as a DSLR with f 1.8 lens
This is reason why you need Bokeh, sharpness means little if you cannot separate the subject from the background.
This is reason why you need Bokeh, sharpness means little if you cannot separate the subject from the background
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Sure, here you go. The one that autofocuses on the water bottle(which is what should happen imo) is Note20U, and one that focuses on the wall is S21U
Yeah hopefully Samsung continues making Note series. The added screen real estate makes a huge difference as well. Bokeh is great on both phones, S21U maybe slightly better but I just wish that they give some manual control in auto mode to control the Bokeh intensity.
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you know that you can manually change the focus point in post ???
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In low light indoor situations, I always prefer normal 3:4 mode. But during daytime for landscapes 108MP is the best.2I have made a petition so we Exynos users have RAW on all the cameras, not just the main and ultra wide ones. The telephoto cameras are not available in Pro mode.
Petition : http://chng.it/YVk72yhDYD
You can reply to this forum too : https://forum.developer.samsung.com...all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos/1254911
You are very welcome, but really there is nothing to thank me for, as this is in my best interest as well -
10Btw guys you can submit these pictures to Samsung through the members app along with the logs the members app generates. They really look into it it seems. I sent the picture I posted above with the noise in the restaurant and they did reply asking for logs as they need to send those to their engineers. We should do this with photos that are off or look bad as it helps them make improvements. To me this is a really positive sign that Samsung are actually listening
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14I don't play with post processing much these days, but AD Photoshop/LR on the mobile is surprisingly good, this is going to be printed to acrylic plate at somepoint.
The dynamic range of the S21U really is quite something, even jpgs allows for post processing to the exact temperature 'look' you want.
The depth and general tone of pictures the S21 U is able to capture really did use to be only possible on 'proper' camera systems, even the x10 lens produces half decent efforts in post.
Add in the fact the entire work flow is possible on the phone, so no peeking on the back of a LCD camera screen, no faff with uploading to a laptop, no LR library to manage, no need to worry about backup due to the cloud, am pretty sure I can also send these file direct to Photobox/Snapfish or similar for large format printing all from the phone.......
From a purely a photography point of view, the S21 U is outstanding, there is no other way to put it.
12Hi all, I would like to share my experience. My wife has a 12 pro Max and I have the 21 ultra. I came from the 12 pro Max. I have the Exynos version. AUB9 version. I've been testing both phones from the last month against each other in many several conditions. I'm an amateur photographer form many years. Being short, I can state two main differences between two phones. Overall image quality is better, more detailed, on the s21 ultra (night mode and day light). The 12 pro max is more consistent on results. Each one of the phones has its own computational photo algorithms, for me I prefer the s21 ultra dynamic range, but this is something personal. The 12 pro max is a point and shot camera, most of the time you get really good results, good pictures. The 21 ultra is not, you need to understand a few photography basics to take all the advantage of the 21 ultra, and here is were it surpasses the 12 pro max, the flexibility you can get with the camera setup. In other words, you can take your creativity more further with the 21 ultra. From what I´ve been reading along this weeks about people comparing this two phones , and about being frustrated not getting the same images they get on the iPhone. They are two different worlds. You need to learn how to use the 21 ultra to achieve all his photo potential. With the 12 pro max you just don't need. You get good pictures right out of the box. For my personal use, the 12 pro mas was more boring to use as a camera. I do prefer the creative way.
On a personal note, the Huawei cameras are the best I've tested. I had all of them until the p40 pro plus. What a phone! I was able to capture the Milky Way on a light polluted sky. I miss the monochrome sensor on the P9.
About DXO mark, the tests I've made, not in studio, only in real life conditions, don't align with the ones they made. I'm quite sure the phone they test are still on a previous firmware. And it is a shame if they didn't take in account the firmware update.
Here is a regular simple picture taken with the 21 ultra that the 12 pro max can't do. The 12 pro max just blow away the sun, even reducing the exposure.
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