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For all the fanboys claiming that the camera is good, please have a look at this article:

Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra just got beat by iPhone 12 Pro Max — here’s how | Tom's Guide

The camera software definitely needs improvement ! Given the already visible progress over the last updates I am however pretty confident that we will see a lot of further improvements down the line. One of the big issues IMHO is consistency, images can come out as garbage or as pretty nice - without (at least for me) a hint on what was the cause and what I could do as user.

Having said that as already stated in this thread the DXO mark test has some pretty strange conditions - including using an old firmware version and not using the optical zoom but instead digital zoom in their zoom comparison. Personally I don't feel that the DXO mark review is giving a realistic picture of the performance of the camera system....
 

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For all the fanboys claiming that the camera is good, please have a look at this article:

Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra just got beat by iPhone 12 Pro Max — here’s how | Tom's Guide

I have to say I thought DXO normally do some 'fair' tests but when you look into the detail its very odd for example to even mention when comparing 'intermediate' zoom at x4 the sample shots on rivals to the S21U are optical verus digital. Equally the 'long' range zoom was done at x8 I think, where the S21U is using digital zoom versus optical.

Ita strange for a group who know what they are doing not to point out these issues with the scoring system.
 

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S21 Ultra with March update AUB7 (Snapdragon)
 

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I have to say I thought DXO normally do some 'fair' tests but when you look into the detail its very odd for example to even mention when comparing 'intermediate' zoom at x4 the sample shots on rivals to the S21U are optical verus digital. Equally the 'long' range zoom was done at x8 I think, where the S21U is using digital zoom versus optical.

Ita strange for a group who know what they are doing not to point out these issues with the scoring system.

They haven't been fair for years . Once they became a Chinese backed private company they became a laughingstock.
 
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Been following this discussion even though I returned my S21U as I was still considering buying it again if they fixed things in a month or two and have come to the conclusion that it's absolutely not worth buying a Samsung phone new at full price. By the time they get the camera to perform like it was meant to the market value of a new S21U would definitely not be the same as what you paid for it in early February in fact I've already seen the 256 gb sealed on ebay go for £800 that's 400 cheaper than what Samsung is still selling it for and that too barely a month later. So it just makes more sense to wait a few months maybe around 6 and buy a mint condition one on ebay for £700-800. I see nearly new note 20Us for £650 and its barely been 7 months I'm sure now would be a good time to buy a note instead as they would have fixed the bugs and at that price you won't feel too bad if things aren't perfect. But never again in my life am I paying full price for a Samsung. They aren't bad phones, just not worth the money they charge though. Unless you're really rich and money isn't of concern to you and you must have the absolute latest then the above advice doesn't apply.
 
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Samsung SHOULD ADD the same bright vs natural option as for front camera on the back camera!

It would instantly solve ALL problems!
 

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Been following this discussion even though I returned my S21U as I was still considering buying it again if they fixed things in a month or two and have come to the conclusion that it's absolutely not worth buying a Samsung phone new at full price. By the time they get the camera to perform like it was meant to the market value of a new S21U would definitely not be the same as what you paid for it in early February in fact I've already seen the 256 gb sealed on ebay go for £800 that's 400 cheaper than what Samsung is still selling it for and that too barely a month later. So it just makes more sense to wait a few months maybe around 6 and buy a mint condition one on ebay for £700-800. I see nearly new note 20Us for £650 and its barely been 7 months I'm sure now would be a good time to buy a note instead as they would have fixed the bugs and at that price you won't feel too bad if things aren't perfect. But never again in my life am I paying full price for a Samsung. They aren't bad phones, just not worth the money they charge though. Unless you're really rich and money isn't of concern to you and you must have the absolute latest then the above advice doesn't apply.

Absolutely, best way to get a phone for great price and get a polished product is to wait 3 months. This doesn't mean S21U does not worth 1k, because if a phone is worth it this is it, but regarding price/performance/satisfaction ratio, almost every product that is bought by early adopters ends up same.
 

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Are indoor shots of people/faces still overly smoothing? If it is, then I'm returning my s21 ultra. The camera is no contest in the best lighting conditions, but it makes indoor shots of people and subjects overly smooth.


This is with face smoothing off as well.
Nope, I haven't noticed that. Seems natural to me.
 
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in fact I've already seen the 256 gb sealed on ebay go for £800 that's 400 cheaper than what Samsung is still selling it for

Did anyone actually pay full price for one? I paid £880 after the £220 trade in for battered S9 which was very generous + 10% discount code + buying it through University educational discount. Than throw in the 'free' Bud Pros (surprisingly good), and the smart tag.

It will be cheaper later this year am 100%, and actually I recon the Note 20 U is the better 'value' device as I do wish the S pen integration was better.
 

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Did anyone actually pay full price for one? I paid £880 after the £220 trade in for battered S9 which was very generous + 10% discount code + buying it through University educational discount. Than throw in the 'free' Bud Pros (surprisingly good), and the smart tag.

It will be cheaper later this year am 100%, and actually I recon the Note 20 U is the better 'value' device as I do wish the S pen integration was better.
Well I wouldn't really consider a trade in a discount as you are still technically paying for it in kind but overall looks like you did get a good deal. I just got the £250 trade in and a£50 discount + the freebies. But today the 256gb is easily available on eBay for between 850-900 without a trade in. You can get it for 800 also if you are lucky. I've seen the 800 ones get snapped up in minutes though. If you sell your phone on top of that it works out even cheaper. If you're forking out £600 from your pocket after selling your phone then this phone is good value at that price. I did end up buying the note for a little over £600 open box but new. Let's hope it works out. I read that it's camera has issues too especially with macro but produces cleaner images overall.
 
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