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isko01

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New update seems to have improved processing on the x10 lens, I said I would never do it, but pixel peepers will love it :).

Processing is now more natural in the bottom shot, especially for Bokeh effect.

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Overall the x10 zoom lens is now producing more usable pictures :).

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This is on March update? :)
Auto, scene optimizer off. 10x zoom.


So you recommend allways turn off screen optimisation? :)
 

beserker15

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Understand that. But when i had the S21U there were times you would think you are on the main lens (single tree icon) but the camera would actually select the ultra wide and crop in. This would happen when you zoom out and then select the single tree. Might have been a bug thats fixed now. But the only way you could tell is by the lack of detail and when you look at the exif data.
That's not a "bug", it's a "feature" called focus enhancer lol. Samsung anticipated that some people will be put off by the shallow depth of field (maybe rightly so as evidence by some in this thread) so there's a feature called focus enhancer that crops in from the ultra wide to have more uniform sharpness. It is an option that can be disabled though.

Your points about complaining about inconsistent software for an expensive flagship is fair though. Luckily in the US for me, it is much cheaper. The hardware has a lot of potential and even if the software doesn't improve significantly, great pictures can still be had but requires adapting to the software more. It's fine as a simple point and shoot, but better if one can deal with its quirks haha.

So you recommend allways turn off screen optimisation? :)
Scene optimization has its benefits like taking pictures of the moon lol. But I think generally speaking, the less you have to rely on Samsung's AI, the better lol.
 

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That's not a "bug", it's a "feature" called focus enhancer lol. Samsung anticipated that some people will be put off by the shallow depth of field (maybe rightly so as evidence by some in this thread) so there's a feature called focus enhancer that crops in from the ultra wide to have more uniform sharpness. It is an option that can be disabled though.

Your points about complaining about inconsistent software for an expensive flagship is fair though. Luckily in the US for me, it is much cheaper. The hardware has a lot of potential and even if the software doesn't improve significantly, great pictures can still be had but requires adapting to the software more. It's fine as a simple point and shoot, but better if one can deal with its quirks haha.


Scene optimization has its benefits like taking pictures of the moon lol. But I think generally speaking, the less you have to rely on Samsung's AI, the better lol.

Yeah I know that. I called it a bug because my understanding was that focus enhancer was meant to help with macro shots? So it would only trigger at close distances. Maybe I am wrong. But I tried taking the below picture which I thought was from the main lens and was meant to be landscape but was apalled at the quality. Checking the exif data revealed that it was taken with the wide angle (f2.2)and cropped in. I couldn't figure why the software would decide that, thought it was a bug. But maybe its just poor scene optimisation AI. Like you guys say maybe the S21U isnt optimised for point and shoot.
 

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You kidding right? This are 10x shots, from 30 meters or so.Find me a phone that can even come close to this.
he is absolutely on point though thats what smartphone photography is good at , only fit to screen inspection and no pixel peeping, for instagram/fb etc all phones will do using gcam, 10x is not something ordinary Joe will use more than a few times per year
 

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There is no pleasing some people, I suspect for some even the new Sony A1 at £6K isn't good enough, as you certainly cannot just 'point and shoot' on that thing and just expect amazing results :).
The only problem with that comparison is that at £6k that camera isn't even targeting the point and shoot audience. Where as the primary audience for a premium phone camera is people who point and shoot. The whole purpose of computational photography on phones is so that the average joe can take DSLR like pictures without having to know the ins and outs of photography. The S21U is not marketed like the $2500 sony Xperia Pro which is a Pro phone for camera nerds and its more than fair for people paying over a grand to expect Samsung to deliver pixel like processing with their camera software. Clearly Samsung are missing the mark with their camera software if so many people are dissatisfied. Defending them doesn't help push them to improve, complaining does.
 

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he is absolutely on point though thats what smartphone photography is good at , only fit to screen inspection and no pixel peeping, for instagram/fb etc all phones will do using gcam, 10x is not something ordinary Joe will use more than a few times per year

Even with almost max crop there is good amount of details left, only on max crop the detail start to degrade, its almost on main cam phones detail level, go try with other phones and post the results here.
 

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for me to talk about the p40pp is absurd. each lens has different colors, the 10x zoom is very dark even in broad daylight, automatically still takes yellow photos and to get good results you have to waste time with the settings. 90% of the p40pp photos are edited with lightroom or protoshop before being posted. luckily in this forum I found in addition to the edited photos also some originals where the limits of that cam come out.
i have had many huawei but the camera limitations have never been solved.
at the moment i prefer samsung that with the simple point and shoot always assures me the result.
I've realized one thing over the years, S series users have to learn how to edit photos like others do.
 
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beserker15

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Not at all... Is a lot Better

Those are definitely great pictures, but it's not something the Ultra can't do either. The Ultra's weaknesses that were discussed is fur detail under low light, or focusing in low light. A bright, beautiful scenic landscape should not be a problem for the Ultra.
 
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Not at all... Is a lot Better

Why are you sending Main cam photos when we talk about the tele? the tele has terrible DR/contrast issues, please stay consistent.

I know main cam is great, but tele is not, it cant even come close to DR/colors that S21U has.
 

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    The S21 Ultra (S20 Ultra too...) is not part of this range, it would rather be the s21 or s21 + for that: the problem is that users have not understood that smartphones which use "DSLR" functions are not to be used as a point and shoot device.
    And as I state on a post before, if you want a point and shot with good results almost the time you should go for the 12 pro max. The s21 ultra camera is a different photo perspective. you can get good results on photo mode, but that's not the purpose of this phone, were you have specific modes for specific situations that doesn't allow you to be creative using them. On a "point and shot" phone you are more limited. Not criticizes anyone. Just depend in what you want to do with you phone camera.
    On one example, I love taking nigh sky photos. Because the 12 pro max hasn't a pro mode I couldn't get the result I expect, even using third party apps. With the 21u I can take great night sky photos as I can tweak almost the settings in pro mode depending o the surrounding conditions.

    I am sorry but I strongly disagree.

    I've had a lot of phones, and Samsung always offered me satisfying camera performances.

    The problem with the S21U is software and comes from the post-processing, it could be easily solved if they wanted to.

    A little less sharpness here, more precision there... That's all We want.

    I also have a iPhone 12 Pro Max offered by the office and yeah it could be better for quick pictures but I dislike using it. I never get what I want so this is not my main camera.

    We all know S21U can do a lot better on Auto Mode and We must continue to ask for it.
     

    dazed1

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    Not at all... Is a lot Better

    Lets see how better the DR/color/contrast is, and this is with EARLY January firmware, on AUB9 it is significantly better on the tele,




    Terrible cold balance, with blue tint, weak DR, bad contrast, crashed shadows. No phone can match Ultra''s telephoto currently.
     

    rockky

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    I would agree. It doesn't feel like an upgrade from the note 9. At least for the purposes I use it for. My S21U ships back today so I reset it and packed it yesterday and have been using the note 9 as my main phone again and while initially I did miss the super smooth 120hz display. After a while you forget about it and its not noticeable anymore. Unless you need the power of the new chip for gaming or intense tasks I would say stick with the note 9 for another year. Small things like being able to plug in whatever earphones are lying around to take a call quickly rather than waiting for Bluetooth to connect or being able to jot down notes etc without having to look for a pen are features I really missed when using my S21U. After paying £1300 the experience still fell incomplete and unsatisfactory in many ways. I was willing to compromise on those but the blurry cameras were the final nail in the coffin for me. The note 9 was already an expensive £900 device and I plan to get my moneys worth from it. It is truly the last great note!
    I still have my Note 9 and there is no WAY I'd return the 21U for it for an number of reasons. Not even close.
    Everyones experiences and perceptions are different!
     
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    thegr8anand

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    So i went on a trip last week and used my ultra for taking pictures and videos and was satisfied with the result. I have stopped pixel peeping and found pics look decent on phone and sharing on social media. Wanted to share some of them.

    Exynos, AUB9, Auto mode, and scene optimizer off.

    Part 1 - pics from plane

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    3 - 3x - similar to above
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    4 - 10x - similar to above
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    5 - Ultra wide - similar to above
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