Chainfire's Auto-Root update has Note 3 support

docnok63

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unlocked BL NEEDED.
I was not aware that this method needed an unlocked bootloader. I should have read more.

Indeed. This method will not work with a locked bootloader. We have to wait for an exploit in order to root.
Absolutely not true. It's completely possible to root a phone with a locked bootloader. It's also possible to install a custom recovery with a locked bootloader.

I'll be working with two of the top Verizon exploit devs from day one to get this device cracked. I won't be stupid enough to promise anything, but I will say this:

1) There was a day one OTA for the Sprint Note 3. No one knows what it did yet. DO NOT TAKE ANY OTA's. As soon as I get the device in my hands and tinker a bit, I'll post how to stop OTA's.

2) We will work tirelessly the first few days to get this done. There's a whole community out there waiting to tinker.
 

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I was not aware that this method needed an unlocked bootloader. I should have read more.



Absolutely not true. It's completely possible to root a phone with a locked bootloader. It's also possible to install a custom recovery with a locked bootloader.

I'll be working with two of the top Verizon exploit devs from day one to get this device cracked. I won't be stupid enough to promise anything, but I will say this:

1) There was a day one OTA for the Sprint Note 3. No one knows what it did yet. DO NOT TAKE ANY OTA's. As soon as I get the device in my hands and tinker a bit, I'll post how to stop OTA's.

2) We will work tirelessly the first few days to get this done. There's a whole community out there waiting to tinker.
This is great to hear!!1
 

ronaldheld

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It sounds as if within days of release we are likely to haveca method for rooting. I would be grateful for unlocking but expect to use Safestrap
 

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Absolutely not true. It's completely possible to root a phone with a locked bootloader. It's also possible to install a custom recovery with a locked bootloader.

I'll be working with two of the top Verizon exploit devs from day one to get this device cracked. I won't be stupid enough to promise anything, but I will say this:

1) There was a day one OTA for the Sprint Note 3. No one knows what it did yet. DO NOT TAKE ANY OTA's. As soon as I get the device in my hands and tinker a bit, I'll post how to stop OTA's.

2) We will work tirelessly the first few days to get this done. There's a whole community out there waiting to tinker.
Read what I said again.... And you're wrong. You can't write to the recovery image on a locked bootloader phone. That means no custom recovery. What you CAN do.... is bootstrap a recovery. Different process, different results.

If you had read my post more closely, I said that we are going to have to wait on an exploit for root capabilities. Once we have root, I'm sure a bootstrap will follow. Hopefully, exploitative rooting won't trip knox. If it doesn't, then a bootstrap recovery also shouldn't. At that point, a custom ROM (especially if hashcode creates a safestrap) should bypass the software side of knox preventing tripping from that as well.
 

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Read what I said again.... And you're wrong. You can't write to the recovery image on a locked bootloader phone. That means no custom recovery. What you CAN do.... is bootstrap a recovery. Different process, different results.

If you had read my post more closely, I said that we are going to have to wait on an exploit for root capabilities. Once we have root, I'm sure a bootstrap will follow. Hopefully, exploitative rooting won't trip knox. If it doesn't, then a bootstrap recovery also shouldn't. At that point, a custom ROM (especially if hashcode creates a safestrap) should bypass the software side of knox preventing tripping from that as well.
Since you want to argue sematics and I'm just in that kind of mood, my post never stated that SafeStrap involved writing to the recovery partition; simply that it was possible to have a custom recovery run on a device with a locked bootloader.

Neither the ME7 root method nor SafeStrap triggers Knox on the S4 and I don't expect them to for the N3. Of course, all this will be unnecessary if we get the bootloader. We only have a few days to wait for the devices and then a few days more to know for sure.
 
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Since you want to argue sematics and I'm just in that kind of mood, my post never stated that SafeStrap involved writing to the recovery partition; simply that it was possible to have a custom recovery run on a device with a locked bootloader.

Neither the ME7 root method nor SafeStrap triggers Knox on the S4 and I don't expect them to for the N3. Of course, all this will be unnecessary if we get the bootloader. We only have a few days to wait for the devices and then a few days more to know for sure.
You also never stated anything about a bootstrapped recovery. You posted about chainfire's root method, then argued (wrongly) against those that stated that method wasn't possible due to locked bootloader. Not one person in this thread said anything about not being able to root because of a locked bootloader, just that this particular method wasn't going to work. FFS admit that you were wrong and move on...
 

docnok63

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You also never stated anything about a bootstrapped recovery. You posted about chainfire's root method, then argued (wrongly) against those that stated that method wasn't possible due to locked bootloader. Not one person in this thread said anything about not being able to root because of a locked bootloader, just that this particular method wasn't going to work. FFS admit that you were wrong and move on...
I was not aware that this method needed an unlocked bootloader. I should have read more.



Absolutely not true. It's completely possible to root a phone with a locked bootloader. It's also possible to install a custom recovery with a locked bootloader.

I'll be working with two of the top Verizon exploit devs from day one to get this device cracked. I won't be stupid enough to promise anything, but I will say this:

1) There was a day one OTA for the Sprint Note 3. No one knows what it did yet. DO NOT TAKE ANY OTA's. As soon as I get the device in my hands and tinker a bit, I'll post how to stop OTA's.

2) We will work tirelessly the first few days to get this done. There's a whole community out there waiting to tinker.
Silly rabbit. I did admit I was wrong and I my link was for the SafeStrap recovery for the S4. It's time YOU moved on. There's more important issues in life. I'm done with you.
 

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Realistic chance?

I've got an unlocked Droid Bionic. I was chicken and waited till it was out of warranty though. I wanted root so I could do full backups, something I believe was not possibly without it. Like you, I'm waiting for my VzW N3 to come in. I"m not sure how to restore some of my apps, or actually some of the data saved with that. TBpro wont help unless there is root. I've purchase the Asurian extended protection, not to much fine print info on it.. people say manufacturer warranty is voided with root. what about standard extended warranties like Asurian?

Bottom line.. just a guess, and I'll not hold anyone to it. What the odds that the guru's here will unlock our Vzw N3 without tripping knox, or somehow else voiding warrranty.

I'm probably sticking with stock rom for now..but without root, not sure how to get all my app data back. Someone said EZ file could make an apk but didnt see how. Someone else suggested helium makes good app backups without root, but that doesnt work on Motorola..so it wont work for my Droid bionic
 

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Please familiarize yourself with the Forum Rules at the top of every Forum. This is a discussion thread and not a Development thread. It has no place in the Development Forum. I have moved this to the General Section where it should have been all along.
I look forward to your future attention and cooperation.

EFM
 

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I was not aware that this method needed an unlocked bootloader. I should have read more.



Absolutely not true. It's completely possible to root a phone with a locked bootloader. It's also possible to install a custom recovery with a locked bootloader.

I'll be working with two of the top Verizon exploit devs from day one to get this device cracked. I won't be stupid enough to promise anything, but I will say this:

1) There was a day one OTA for the Sprint Note 3. No one knows what it did yet. DO NOT TAKE ANY OTA's. As soon as I get the device in my hands and tinker a bit, I'll post how to stop OTA's.

2) We will work tirelessly the first few days to get this done. There's a whole community out there waiting to tinker.
Docnoc we all appreciate this post and are confident the people working on this will find something for us. Fingers crossed and donations ready!
 

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Please familiarize yourself with the Forum Rules at the top of every Forum. This is a discussion thread and not a Development thread. It has no place in the Development Forum. I have moved this to the General Section where it should have been all along.
I look forward to your future attention and cooperation.

EFM
When I read your post I hear Nucky's voice from seeing your avatar and sig plus your words is how we would talk lol
 

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Ok so a couple of things to note here.

First off it is about a 2% chance that you can just flash a custom recovery. There was a phone recently where the recovery partition had no verification check. With that being said it would be a big over sight. The next thing is that with Hashcode already working on a qualcomm kexec and SS I would be very supprised to see it not work, or there not be a strap method. As for root, if I'm not mistaken, and i could be, but Chainfire relies on you having an unlocked bootloader, as his image just has an init script in the recovery to boot, change ro.secure to false and then flashback the old recovery. With this being said THIS WILL NOT WORK WITH LOCKED DEVICES. If the bootloader allows for a unsigned kernel recovery to boot you can do it, or if it allows for stacksmashing you can do it, but those are two very iffy things. As for a root on this device, its more then likely going to have to come from a security tag that has been created in the linux kernel, that allows unverified code to run.

Second off I think there's something important to point out here, and I'm going to post it back to the days where there was no android. As of right now we have achieved a semi unlocked state (see loki and SS) however this is much like Musclenerd and geohotz grabbing the source code and finding injection points, the big difference was when geohotz found the holygrail, an architecture level exploit. What this translates into our world is much harder since the iPhone has one chip and we have... well Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung to name some. With this being said, and I know its easier said then done, but I think we are going to need a Qualcomm level exploit to really unlock all of these phones. We have seen in the recent couple of days that there are interrupts early on in the boot chain, see rumrunner, are not impossible. The reality is that our holy grail lies in one of two places, a leek, which in reality is more likely to happen since the other option is not always possible, or a base level exploit. The thing to keep in mind is that it too geohotz 2 years to discover the A4 hole, and he was just one man. While a community is much bigger, I urge everyone looking for exploits on new phones to realize that YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY A PHONE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE STOCK.

Hope you all are enjoying your GN3. They really are a great device with or without an unlock!!!

On a side note:

Apparently Chainfire's method helped designgears root the AT&T version. This took about 3 days. Good news!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472760

The reason for this is it seems there is a leek there that is allowing him to run a script that flashes over files to the FS. Look at:

As usual, a big shout out to my anonymous source for the file hook-ups!
This means that he most likely has some sort of System dump that is signed and has RO.secure disabled. If you look there's actually a full 2.2 GB image that you have to download and flash, meaning that it most likely has something that allows for root, and not actually an exploit.
 
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