Companion Thread Android Wear 2.0 for SmartWatch 3 port

Mikegrmn

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So this is the additional thread I had suggested for discussing all the topics that clutter the official "Android Wear 2.0 for SmartWatch 3 port progress" thread.

This thread is meant to discuss any topic accompanying the AW2.0 port for Sony SW3 so that the main development thread doesn´t get cluttered as it was in the past. I hope people use this thread and keep the development thread clean.

Examples for discussions are:
  • Wild discussions about ETA
  • Discussions about what the port means for warranties
  • Discussions about future battery life of SW3
  • And many more topics (above are only examples of what´s possible

Any active developer on the main thread may jump in here and comment on any discussion.

Please be nice to each other. No insulting, flaming, trolling...
It would be great if we could all behave like adults (or at least pretend to do so ;)).

The progress thread for the port can be found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch-3/general/android-wear-2-0-smartwatch-3-port-t3562129
 

Mikegrmn

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So, I held off adding off topic stuff to the main thread for AW2.0 on Sony SW3.
I bought my SW3 maybe a month ago, because even after 2-3 years, it still looked as if it were the best option compared to my beloved Pebbles.
My Pebble time steel got replaced in the middle of last year when its battery died (actually, the battery got hot to a degree that I would probably have gotten burns from it). Once I saw a post of someone in the Pebble forums who had worn his time steel while sleeping and who got a big huge burn blister on his arm, I stopped wearing mine and was looking for a new watch.
Long story short (I could go on if you want to read it though....):
I looked into the Vector watches, but they were bought by Fitbit, too, so I´ve checked Android wear once again. I had a Moto 1. Gen once, but the battery didn´t even keep up for one work day.
With Sony SW3 being at about 2 days battery life, I decided on it, knowing that it may not get AW2.0.
I don´t regret buying it, even if AW2.0 doesn´t make it on my watch for whatever reason.

I just wondered if anyone followed up on older watches running AW2.0 previews and who can shed some light what it could mean for battery life.
I´d be ok if my watch battery doesn´t last as long as it does now (almost 3 days), but I would want 2 days at least. This gives me a nice time frame with enough left over power so that I don´t have to worry that the watch could die before day´s end.

I want my watch to show the time first (and I love the reflective always on display) and my notifications. The rest for me is nice to have, but I don´t need it. The "little" Google watch seems nice, but at 240mAh, first reviews indicate that it won´t be better than my first Moto 1.
And a watch needs to be a watch. Means for me that I don´t want to make calls on it and that it needs to be way smaller than a brick.
 

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Thanks, that is really good idea, other thread was really getting derailed every 5 minutes. I hope mods will declutter that thread and move all offending posts here.

According to reddit, last 2.0 developer previews did not cause any significant battery duration changes compared to 1.x versions. But on the other hand, both LG watches (only watches that run final 2.0 at the moment), experience wildly inconsistent battery life (some say it is very good, some say it really sucks).

Regarding warranties, you can still lock back the bootloader in the end and hope that they don't notice you tinkered with it. I'm not sure whether there even is permanent switch that shows bootloader has ever been unlocked, so I think everyone will be fine. The alternative is being stuck with an old dead OS, so IMO benefits outweigh warranty. Plus quality control on Sonys seem to be pretty good (There are usually a lot of posts about people complaining that their watch/phone/laptop/whatever has broken, but I have not seen any for SW3), so there is less chance you will need warranty.
 
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Mikegrmn

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Regarding warranties, you can still lock back the bootloader in the end and hope that they don't notice you tinkered with it. I'm not sure whether there even is permanent switch that shows bootloader has ever been unlocked, so I think everyone will be fine. The alternative is being stuck with an old dead OS, so IMO benefits outweigh warranty. Plus quality control on Sonys seem to be pretty good (There are usually a lot of posts about people complaining that their watch/phone/laptop/whatever has broken, but I have not seen any for SW3), so there is less chance you will need warranty.
Yup, like I had posted before. I want the new firmware, but don´t care about warranty too much (unless the watch would break within a couple of months). Before smartwatches, I bought a new watch about every 1-2 years anyways. In terms of price, I think they were around 120 bucks in average. So not really as expensive as a smartwatch. I like having options and when I feel the watch gets old or I want to have something new, I usually go for it. Same with my glasses which usually run around 500-1000 every 2 years, depending on the frame I choose. But glasses alone (without the frame) usually cost about 300-400. I don´t spend too much on other stuff (dining, clothes, cars), so getting some gadgets every now and then doesn´t break the bank. But it´s a matter of what´s important to you. Electronic stores today try to sell additional insurances, but I actually had never a gadget break on its own ;)
If it broke, it was usually my fault and mostly I handle my toys carefully.
So back to the battery. If the watch lasts 2-3 days like it does now, I´m more than happy and I still think it´s the best compromise in terms of size, features and battery. Pebble was great as long as it lasted, but I couldn´t read the display with my glasses off.
For that I used the ttmm watchfaces, and I made a similar one on Facer, and I can read SW3 with this watchface better when I wake up at night as compared to the smaller size screen on Pebble.

Uuuh. I have to keep my posts shorter :) But then again, this is why I made this thread, right?
 

Mikegrmn

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Haha, now I was really confused. A mod must have moved comments from the dev thread to here, but the posts are right on top of everything else. If any mod is reading this, is it possible that posts that were moved are at least below the initial thread post, so that people know what this thread is about? Thanks.
 

gurningchimp

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Haha, now I was really confused. A mod must have moved comments from the dev thread to here, but the posts are right on top of everything else. If any mod is reading this, is it possible that posts that were moved are at least below the initial thread post, so that people know what this thread is about? Thanks.
It'll be the timestamps of the posts that cause this issue, your thread was created as a reaction to the off topic posts so when they're moved it screwed it up :D
 

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Okay I've told once about the TA partition thingy and I found some things out

At first:
It knows which firmware you flashed when, so they also get if you reflashed your FW to another version
Again every TA is unique as every SmartWatch and uses a SerialKey (same of your device)

Then the really bad thing: It knows when you unlocked the bootloader and that detailed

And idk if it's result of UB but the most of the TA partition is just written full of FF and 00 so no real DRM keys



Your PDesire
 

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Okay I've told once about the TA partition thingy and I found some things out

At first:
It knows which firmware you flashed when, so they also get if you reflashed your FW to another version
Again every TA is unique as every SmartWatch and uses a SerialKey (same of your device)

Then the really bad thing: It knows when you unlocked the bootloader and that detailed

And idk if it's result of UB but the most of the TA partition is just written full of FF and 00 so no real DRM keys



Your PDesire
Then the warranty is fully void if we unlock the bootloader
 

Mikegrmn

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If a community rom would support stuff like custom roms on phones? Especially like functions that usually don´t come in regular stock roms. I think of something like automating flight and screen mode based on time of day.
With the 2-3 day battery, I like using my watch as my first alarm clock to wake me gently before my real alarm clock goes off, so I´m wearing it during the night, but I don´t need the screen on or notifications during the night. And it preserves battery.
E.g. on my phone, I love using the volume rocker to skip music while the screen is off. Or maybe adjust vibration settings. Stock just isn´t strong enough, so I use a separate app to have the watch shake 3 times instead of only once. But this only works for phone app notifications.
 

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Functionality with iPhone

I would like to use my sw3 as a run tracker paired with an iPhone. There currently doesn't seem to be a way to use the GPS when paired with an iPhone. It looks like there will be some increased functionality for iOS users in aw2 but does anyone know of a way to load a running app like Runkeeper to sw3 with aw 1.x? Thanks in advance.
 

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I would like to use my sw3 as a run tracker paired with an iPhone. There currently doesn't seem to be a way to use the GPS when paired with an iPhone. It looks like there will be some increased functionality for iOS users in aw2 but does anyone know of a way to load a running app like Runkeeper to sw3 with aw 1.x? Thanks in advance.
You can install the app from ADB.

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Mod Edit; Off -topic comment removed

---------- Post added at 06:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:16 PM ----------

I have a question about theatre mode , whenever I enable it , the screen goes off for a few seconds and comes back to an always on display mode , but rest is same , unless I press the side button it won't wake up ....
Is this regular or is it a bug ? :confused:
 
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Mod Edit: Off topic comment removed

---------- Post added at 06:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:16 PM ----------

I have a question about theatre mode , whenever I enable it , the screen goes off for a few seconds and comes back to an always on display mode , but rest is same , unless I press the side button it won't wake up ....
Is this regular or is it a bug ? :confused:[/QUOTE]

This has always been the case as far as I know.
 
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* * * Thread Cleaned * * *

Apparently several users have not read, or have forgotten the Xda Rules for posting in the forum.

This thread is for comments, announcement, and news about the Smartwatch 3 / Android Wear 2.0... NOT whether users agree with Xda rules, or with Moderator actions, or how users think Xda should be operated.

If users in any thread continually violate the rules, requiring multiple Moderator visits in within a few days time, that thread may be closed until users figure out how to post without violating the rules.

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Please have another go at the rules, and follow them when posting in Xda.

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If a community rom would support stuff like custom roms on phones? Especially like functions that usually don´t come in regular stock roms. I think of something like automating flight and screen mode based on time of day.
With the 2-3 day battery, I like using my watch as my first alarm clock to wake me gently before my real alarm clock goes off, so I´m wearing it during the night, but I don´t need the screen on or notifications during the night. And it preserves battery.
E.g. on my phone, I love using the volume rocker to skip music while the screen is off. Or maybe adjust vibration settings. Stock just isn´t strong enough, so I use a separate app to have the watch shake 3 times instead of only once. But this only works for phone app notifications.
You could look into tasker or similar apps. The problem is, those apps may use more battery power than leaving the watch as normal. However, they should be able to control the settings for you. You may need root to do so as well.

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