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I'm an OnePlus and CM customer (not only a user, I've paid for their products) and I'm worried. I though OPO was going to be CM flagship and they were going to make an effort to show they can produce and deliver good software, I'm afraid I can't confirm that.
Of course Micromax is a more lucrative project but they have customers.
I chose OPO because of the hardware and because of CM, I've been using CM for years. I didn't chose this phone for the money, I could have paid $600 for another phone, I just didn't like any other phone, I trust Nexus line mostly because of the software but I don't like Nexus 6 so CM software was a nice solution at the time.
So my next phone won't come with CM since I can't trust this company anymore. For me the most important point to choose a phone is software support and CM is no different than Samsung or LG updating their products.
Also of interest is that Cyngn has signed a pretty juicy exclusivity deal with an OEM that is universally hated in those areas where Cyanogen has brand recognition.
How disheartening that Cyanogen has gone so corporate so fast. I wonder if it's just the new faces they have for the company and Steve Kondik & Co. were as surprised by what happened as OnePlus was. I can't imagine the actual devs have changed that much, but they definitely let the new corporate "suits" they hired run them into the ground fast.......![]()
"as long as OnePlus didn’t breach the agreement in the first 30 days, Cyanogen “shall not engage in the integration of CyanogenMod with any other mobile device manufacturer for the purpose of distributing such device in the permitted territory”."
This part of the article is incorrect as if you look at what was actually written in the report it states:
"Provided OnePlus is not in breach of this Agreement, for a period of thirty (30) days after the Launch Date, Cyanogen shall not engage in the integration of CyanogenMod with any other mobile device manufacturer..."
If you look at the position of the comma in the actual statement in the report, you can see that these conditions are only applicable for the first 30 days after launch
So my question is, will this mean that CM is going to stop updating international OPO's in the future? That's going to piss a lot of people off, and I'm going to have to be the one to explain to my fiance why my phone advice to her turned bad.
Might be time for me to convince her to let me replace it with Omni or something else.
From what Kirk said ("Carl. We will be terminating our relationship with one plus. I will get back to you with more details shortly."), there might well be issues. Nobody knows, but that kind of message seems rather like CM are ending working with 1+.
It is rather unusual though - you don't "break" a contract by telling the other party you will do it, and send details later. That's just not how you do business. You negotiate the specifics, and try to have a clean, quiet, and drama-free break-up, without headlines or press releases. Both sides would discuss the terms and settlements, and legal would sign off on it. That's how it usually works. In this case, this is highly unusual.
So that means One plus One broke their side of contracts , since Cyno' went ahead and entered into agreement with Micromax.Well spotted, I had already rectified this in the article and marked it as a correction, then I saw this comment. You are correct in that the exclusivity on integration assistance was a 30 day deal.
I'm an OnePlus and CM customer (not only a user, I've paid for their products) and I'm worried. I though OPO was going to be CM flagship and they were going to make an effort to show they can produce and deliver good software, I'm afraid I can't confirm that.
Of course Micromax is a more lucrative project but they have customers.
I chose OPO because of the hardware and because of CM, I've been using CM for years. I didn't chose this phone for the money, I could have paid $600 for another phone, I just didn't like any other phone, I trust Nexus line mostly because of the software but I don't like Nexus 6 so CM software was a nice solution at the time.
So my next phone won't come with CM since I can't trust this company anymore. For me the most important point to choose a phone is software support and CM is no different than Samsung or LG updating their products.
No, as someone who dealt with Steve, Arcee, Koush, and many of the other Cyngn leads (as a contributor to CyanogenMod) prior to the Focal fiasco - Kirt's personality is VERY compatible with the personalities of Steve, Arcee, Koush, etc. Koush is gone, but his legacy lives on in terms of setting the "attitude" of the company. This **** is nothing that is surprising to people like Steve and Arcee, since in their point of view, there's nothing wrong with any of the crap that Cyngn has pulled.How disheartening that Cyanogen has gone so corporate so fast. I wonder if it's just the new faces they have for the company and Steve Kondik & Co. were as surprised by what happened as OnePlus was. I can't imagine the actual devs have changed that much, but they definitely let the new corporate "suits" they hired run them into the ground fast.......![]()
It's not like your device is going to suddenly stop working. If Cyngn were to push out an OTA that sabotaged the device without warning, it would be the end of the company. Maybe not immediately, but it would ensure that they were unable to establish any partnerships needed to pay back their investors.Yeah, that struck me as REALLY strange and more than a little bit off-putting. I agree, it is certainly not "usual behavior", even among backstabbing companies out there.
I'm wondering if I shouldn't root her device for her, TiBackup everything, and migrate her to another ROM or something.
OnePlus was already going in that direction for their future devices (which is NOT a violation of their Cyngn agreement)So this does show something fishy on the part of (not sure) Cyano, but I think seeing from the latest development 1+ has decided to go their own way of making custom Android Rom. Atleast the end user wont suffer bcoz of corporate hulla-ballo!!:silly:
That's the big thing here - Cyngn are establishing themselves consistently, time and time again, as partners you simply cannot rely upon or trust.As a new company to the market I would be much more concerned with getting a reputation as professionals who worked closely with partners and were honest and upfront in my dealings with everyone.
Small companies become big by working well with their first customers and letting the good word spread.
I have a fair amount of experience in organising technology companies and projects, and the golden rule is to always treat everyone in good faith. Don't try to pull contracts out - do everything with good faith and involve legal as a last resort.
If you get a reputation as a very professional and good company to deal with, you'll soon be reaping the benefits. Sending out one line emails to end contracts which are entered into, and then involving legal later, isn't a good idea... Now other customers will rightly be reluctant to work with them, as their word has been found to mean little.
When you have good relationships with customers, you'll find contracts are a formality for the lawyers to work with. That's how good, ethical business is done.
Yeah. OnePlus have done a lot of shady crap that I don't like. That is one of the reasons I have not purchased one of their devices.Although Cyanogen communication has been very childish and unprofessional and will bite them, I am sure more to this story.
We also know 1+ are a bunch of liers with false promises and terrible support. It is the kind of company which doesnt answer your tickets until you dispute your payment. Just check their own forum.
I think they have hurt Cyanogen so badly to provoke such unprofessional reactions. but at the end it will be the loss of Cyanogen. they have lost their credibility and image now. I will be surprised if any other OEM wants to work with them anymore. 1+ can always make their own ROM.
Cyngn has stated that this sort of consumer selection is their mission, but their actual actions in terms of contracts (There were a lot of provisions in Cyngn's contract that prevented OnePlus from working with anyone else for a certain period of time) and such make it clear that they have no intent on actually working on that stated mission. Their actual actions have been no different than the OEMs that users have historically gone to projects like CM to escape.If one could just select the rom they wanted from the factory, PA, omni, aokp, or another, then it wouldn't be exclusive to one software choice. In a way, having the option to run a certain rom without having to root and flash might put some of the "custom" roms more into the mainstream.
Why should a piece of hardware have to come from the factory with just a single software option? If the consumer could select exactly which rom and apps it runs, etc., it would only bespeak of the customization possibilities which keep so many using Android.
Yeah. A company like Cyngn whose path to the end user is through their hardware partner cannot have a committment to their users unless they have a committment to their hardware partners.You would want to sell more devices, but you would also want to be truthful to your partners, forget the end user. If the end user comes to know you are not faithful to your partner, I am guessing the end user's trust is lost.
As to this, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to Omni being provided to a commercial partner in the future, BUT - it HAS to be done the RIGHT way. One of the things that the CM guys said is "oh these guys are just anti-commercial". Which is wrong. We're "anti-unethical-douchebags". It IS possible to have a community project that has commercial involvement (Linux itself is a great example of this) but it has to be done RIGHT.Just to re-assure you that omni doesn't have any plans to become a company. One of the safeguards against that is to have 2 of the key people from the Focal situation on the core team. I don't understand the point in taking a community project, and turning it into a VC-funded start-up like this...
In any case though, a community project forming a company should be including its contributors in anything it did. That means if Omni was to somehow have money to be in a position to use for development (bear in mind since it isn't a company, it doesn't!), that money would be to pay the existing contributors.
That's the only ethical way to behave in that situation. One of the problems with Omni is many of the key contributors are already in their high-powered and high-intensity jobs from 9 to 5 (and longer, in cases). Thus they have limited time available to spend on it. But that's what happens in small community projects, I guess.
Huh? What does CM have to do with it? Moto G and E are indeed derived from Qualcomm CAF, as are all other HALs for non-Nexus Qualcomm devices. They are a perfect example of how the "less is more" approach can be better for users than excessive ricing. Their devices only add a few apps and small customizations on top of what CAF provides - and the end result for the user is excellent. If you want an idea of how OnePlus can deliver a great user experience with a small team - The Moto G and E (and to a lesser degree the X) are perfect examples of this concept.I'm somehow confused; aren't early adoption of CM for Moto G (2013) or Moto E based on CAF too?