[Discussion] Magisk Delta - Another unofficial third-party Magisk fork

[zgfg]

Hello, what are the differences between Magisk and Magisk Delta? Thank you have a nice day.

Several. With Delta you can use the old (used to be better for hiding) MagiskHide instead of DenyList. And optionally in SuList (that is, whitelist mode). Etc (some don't enable Zygisk and use Riru modules instead - again, for hiding). Please take time and read through the discussion in this thread

 

[hengkidermawan]

any update for stable version ?

 

[Reo0o]

Hello Guys,

Anyone having problem in rooting the new 13.1 update ?
Yesterday I updated my Oneplus 8T KB2003. Then I pulled the boot.img , patched it then flashed it on both slots a&b but Magisk Delta didn't detect the root ( installed N/A )

Oneplus 8T KB2003
OTA Oxygen 13.1.0.513(EX01)
Magist Delta 25210 Canary

Update:
I tried Official magisk 26.1 & 25.2 and the same problem happened

 

[bishoy ashraf]

From delta telegram about sulist usage
1.
Tips: In order to make modules more compatible with SuList, Magisk Delta supports mount module for SuList apps again after all modules file are directly unmounted from zygote process. However, it is better to enable Core-only mode before switching to SuList, add necessary apps to load modules then enable modules and reboot. If there is something wrong (SystemUI crashs), you can connect your device to adb and disable sulist by this command and reboot:

adb shell su -c magisk --hide sulist disable


Theme modules usually need SystemUI, Settings and Launcher to always be added to SuList to prevent crashing, there might be additional apps need to be added also

2.
This module will help you to add all module apps to sulist to prevent crashing. It uses aapt binary to parse the package name of apk (I forgot the source) As it is heavy to add code that automatically add module files to Magisk Delta, I won't add it.
sulist-auto-whitelist.zip

Could you provide a link to sulist-auto-whitelist.zip

 

[asripath]

See post 680

[Discussion] Magisk Delta - Another unofficial third-party Magisk fork

This is not an officially supported topjohnwu project. If you are looking for official Magisk source, please go to this page Introduction Custom Magisk fork by HuskyDG. Sync with official Magisk adding back MagiskHide...

forum.xda-developers.com

Could you provide a link to sulist-auto-whitelist.zip

 

[kevinco1]

Hello Guys,

Anyone having problem in rooting the new 13.1 update ?
Yesterday I updated my Oneplus 8T KB2003. Then I pulled the boot.img , patched it then flashed it on both slots a&b but Magisk Delta didn't detect the root ( installed N/A )

Oneplus 8T KB2003
OTA Oxygen 13.1.0.513(EX01)
Magist Delta 25210 Canary

Update:
I tried Official magisk 26.1 & 25.2 and the same problem happened

Have a OP8T as well and was able to upgrade to 13.1 just fine.

After patching the boot img, did you install Magisk to inactive slot? You must do this to retain root

 

[cabagekiller]

Is magisk delta dead?

 

[m0han]

Is magisk delta dead?

This on TG Channel dt. 23-May-2023

 

[appman1234]

Some users claimed they have issues with Systemless hosts/AdAway

That module installs its own hosts file at the time of installation file and it uses then the same Magisk systemless mechanism to mount over the /etc/hosts file but not by the use of Magisk built-in Systemless hosts)

Its hosts file will be updated only by updating the module. It says on GitHub that module will be updated every month but the latest version there is from December

I don't use the module but some say here (or in the AdAway thread) that they are ok with

Hi, zgfg.
I met the same issue as some others, i.e. by using sulist, only Systemless hosts/AdAway is not working; everything else works properly.
Currently, I switched to AdAway VPN mode instead of ROOT mode to block ads.
Read through recently tens of messages but cannot find out the resolution. Any break-through from anyone?
Thanks in advance.

 

[zgfg]

Hi, zgfg.
I met the same issue as some others, i.e. by using sulist, only Systemless hosts/AdAway is not working; everything else works properly.
Currently, I switched to AdAway VPN mode instead of ROOT mode to block ads.
Read through recently tens of messages but cannot find out the resolution. Any break-through from anyone?
Thanks in advance.

If using Magisk Delta with SuList, you MUST put all root apps to SuList - incl. AdAway

That's what it means SuList = MagiskHide Whitelist mode

In the normal (Blacklist) MagiskHide or DenyList mode, you put to MagiskHide (DenyList)l those apps you want to hide Magisk from, in the SuList mode you must add all root apps (AdAway, modules apps) to the SuList

Actually, that's not the question for AdAway but for the Magisk fork you're using (SuList is not in the official Magisk, not even MagiskHide - in the official Magisk you have only DenyList), ie about the proper usage/configuration of your particular unofficial Magisk fork

If you use Magisk Delta, please read in the Delta thread on XDA about the SuList config

I'm not familiar with the new Magisk Alpha settings/usage (if needed, please check on their Telegram channel)

 

[appman1234]

If using Magisk Delta with SuList, you MUST put all root apps to SuList - incl. AdAway

That's what it means SuList = MagiskHide Whitelist mode

In the normal (Blacklist) MagiskHide or DenyList mode, you put to MagiskHide (DenyList)l those apps you want to hide Magisk from, in the SuList mode you must add all root apps (AdAway, modules apps) to the SuList

Actually, that's not the question for AdAway but for the Magisk fork you're using (SuList is not in the official Magisk, not even MagiskHide - in the official Magisk you have only DenyList), ie about the proper usage/configuration of your particular unofficial Magisk fork

If you use Magisk Delta, please read in the Delta thread on XDA about the SuList config

I'm not familiar with the new Magisk Alpha settings/usage (if needed, please check on their Telegram channel)

Thanks for your reply.
I did all the necessary settings you mentioned already. My bank apps, root apps, Google wallet, SafetyNet, etc all working well except AdAway.
That's why I'm curious about anyone has solve the issue here.
Thanks again.

 

[zgfg]

Thanks for your reply.
I did all the necessary settings you mentioned already. My bank apps, root apps, Google wallet, SafetyNet, etc all working well except AdAway.
That's why I'm curious about anyone has solve the issue here.
Thanks again.

I use Magisk Delta with SuList and AdAway works fine for me.
On my second phone I use Magisk Canary (DenyList) and AdAway also works fine for me.
On both phones AdAway in the root mode with Systemless hosts enabled

Btw, you quoted one my old post - but that post was mostly an answer to some user who asked about the following module, not about AdAway:

GitHub - pantsufan/BlockAds: Magisk module to block ads on android

Magisk module to block ads on android . Contribute to pantsufan/BlockAds development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

If you have a particular problem with AdAway (root mode), then please precisely describe what is your problem (and what is your configuration)

In my post you quoted, there was no particular problem with AdAway described (I only wrote generally "Some users have problems with AdAway") hence I don't see how to answer about the "resolution" for your "problem"

Ie, pls don't expect that people would roll out to the old messages, trying to find if there was some context at that time of my old quoted post or later (if you posted your problem at some point) to figure out about the problem you have

There might be a problem with Systemless hosts on some ROMs (it was discussed here).
Some Magisk versions do not support systemless modules.
Some users may have problem with Chrome or particular apps (not blocking ads), etc.

 

[appman1234]

I use Magisk Delta with SuList and AdAway works fine for me.
On my second phone I use Magisk Canary (DenyList) and AdAway also works fine for me.
On both phones AdAway in the root mode with Systemless hosts enabled

Btw, you quoted one my old post - but that post was mostly an answer to some user who asked about the following module, not about AdAway:

GitHub - pantsufan/BlockAds: Magisk module to block ads on android

Magisk module to block ads on android . Contribute to pantsufan/BlockAds development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

If you have a particular problem with AdAway (root mode), then please precisely describe what is your problem (and what is your configuration)

In my post you quoted, there was no particular problem with AdAway described (I only wrote generally "Some users have problems with AdAway") hence I don't see how to answer about the "resolution" for your "problem"

Ie, pls don't expect that people would roll out to the old messages, trying to find if there was some context at that time of my old quoted post or later (if you posted your problem at some point) to figure out about the problem you have

There might be a problem with Systemless hosts on some ROMs (it was discussed here).
Some Magisk versions do not support systemless modules.
Some users may have problem with Chrome or particular apps (not blocking ads), etc.

I eventually fixed it because of your reply:-
I changed my Magisk Delta from Canary (v25210) to Stable/Beta (v25206). The AdAway in root mode is now working!
So there should be some issues between Magisk Delta Canary (v25210) with using Enforce SuList and AdAway in root mode.
Thanks a lot!

 

[zgfg]

I eventually fixed it because of your reply:-
I changed my Magisk Delta from Canary (v25210) to Stable/Beta (v25206). The AdAway in root mode is now working!
So there should be some issues between Magisk Delta Canary (v25210) with using Enforce SuList and AdAway in root mode.
Thanks a lot!

I use latest Delta Canary v25210 fdac22ba and it works for me

 

[appman1234]

I use latest Delta Canary v25210 fdac22ba and it works for me

Same version of Canary but did not work for me if using SuList. My phone is Redmi K20 Pro with MIUI 14 v14.0.12 (port rom) in Android 13.
Your previous post said "I use Magisk Canary (DenyList)" - Yes, it works for me too if using DenyList.

 

[elbart88]

This on TG Channel dt. 23-May-2023

or perhaps google wrote him that they were about to sue him if wouldn't stop development? as they did with John

 

[HippoMan]

or perhaps google wrote him that they were about to sue him if wouldn't stop development? as they did with John

That's not what happened with John.

The only reason for John having changed his development priorities is because he took a job with Google.

 

[kevinco1]

or perhaps google wrote him that they were about to sue him if wouldn't stop development? as they did with John

This never happened or any new version like 26 would have never been released

 

[pndwal]

or perhaps google wrote him that they were about to sue him if wouldn't stop development? as they did with John

Are you thinking of the cease and desist notice Google sent Steve Kondic for bundling proprietary gms (GApps) with CyanogenMod years ago?...

John Wu has been careful in recent times to remove proprietary code from Magisk, and since doing that has also removed MagiskHide and ceased any 'root hiding business as it is just straight up conflict of interest' to 'spoof/alter/manipulate any non-Magisk related signals or traces to circumvent any device state detection' particularly because of his 'having access to almost all Google source code (as all Googlers [Google employees] do)'...

Far from threatening to sue, Google simply reviewed his involvement with the modding community and his Magisk project and contributions, 'going through his management chain, copyright, legal, code of conduct etc before granting him approval to continue. Apparently 'employees at most big tech companies simply aren’t allowed to create/contribute to their own open source projects without going through some kind of review process'.

John said "I have to thank all the support from my managers as they take the majority of the credit on all the communication involved during the review process".

PW

 

[zgfg]

Does Husky's OverlayFS module work on Magisk Delta without the need for special KernelSU?

I tried to install to my phone with Magisk 26102 and the installation failed saying that special kernel is required

Then I tried to my other phone with Magisk Delta latest (still 25210) and it successfully installed

And I played with eg hosts file. I disabled AdAway, it returned me the hosts file back to 34b default one (no ads blocking)

Then I copied my hosts file (15MB, AdAway) from the other phone, and with OverlayFS I was able to do it (my System is otherwise read-only)
I
So when I disable OverlaFS and reboot, I have default 34b hosts file

When I enable OverlayFS and renoot, I have that 34 MB hosts file that I copied from the other phone (and ofc, ads are correctly blocked although my AdAway is still disabled)

Hence, OverlayFS definitely works for me, mounting my /system as read-write while the module is enabled

On the other side, I cannot believe that my Xiaomi.eu ROM (MIUI 13, A12), now almost 8 months old, has KernelSU built-in