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halkhali83

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Your question was so direct ... I tried different ways, and my question was ''are you going to ship according to the order number?'' . Her answers were not clear first time, then she finally said ''it depends on the shipping destination, and we are planning to ship first in the US''
 
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AdamColligan

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I just tried again

Again, I'd love to know if anyone received that email before 12:08MDT, but that's clearly not exactly the only thing wrong here.

Just now:
Samuel Rhodes: Hello. My name is Samuel Rhodes, How can i help you today?

Client: Are there multiple agents that come up as Samuel Rhodes, or would this be the same rep I spoke to before?

Samuel Rhodes: How can i help you with?

Client: Are there multiple agents that come up as Samuel Rhodes, or would this be the same rep I spoke to before?

Samuel Rhodes: Its the same.

Client: So I want to ask about shipping. First question is: will we need to submit a payment of some kind before our unit can ship?

Samuel Rhodes: Yes we will send you a link to make the payment for the shipping.

Once that is done, We will process your shipping and send you the tracking numbers and other details

Client: Is there an expectation about when I will get that link?

Samuel Rhodes: You should receive it today or tomorrow.

Client: The last time we spoke, you told me that email delays had to do with emails going out in batches. Have *any* customers received real shipping information yet?

Samuel Rhodes: Not yet. Our team is working on that as we speak.

Client: I was also told that there is information that I was supposed to receive in addition to the shipping information.

Samuel Rhodes: Yes as i mentioned earlier, All the information you require will be sent in the personal email.

Client: Can you let me know what went wrong the last time we spoke? You told me that the emails that went out on Monday were in batches and that there could be delays on those messages because of that, but that they contained complete shipping information and had already begun being sent earlier int he day. But it appears that there was only one email with an incomplete country list, it was the same for everyone and sent at the same time, and it was sent using the MailChimp service so wouldn't have needed to trickle out. So why was the information so far off?

Samuel Rhodes: There was nothing that went wrong. We have thousands of customers from different countries and each of them has different shipping rates. Some countries have additional taxes as well. So our team is working day and night to sort this to make sure that the phones start shipping on Friday and it is our Number one priority right now. I understand that you have waited a very long time but i request you to wait a little bit more. Just a day or two.

Client: But you personally told me almost two that the "complete" shipping emails had already started going out. And you told me that batched emails were going out to different customers at different times, when it looks like the ones so far have been single shots using a high-capacity (simultaneous send) service. That's what I mean when I ask what went wrong.

*told me almost two days ago

Samuel Rhodes: The email that i meant was the email you received yesterday.

You have been transferred to: Jessica.

Client: Right, and you called that an "email with the complete information" and said that it had already begun being sent out in batches. But as far as I can tell, there were no batches -- it wasn't sent to anyone until after that conversation, when it went through a MailChimp list. And it contained no shipping information for the US and no shipping information for any other country except a dollar figure without further explanation. So I'm interested in how I could have

...been told something that was that far off base

Jessica: I am sorry that you misunderstood. We are going to start sending the personal emails soon.

Client: I didn't misunderstand -- I have the conversation saved. That's the issue I'm having here. You said something in black and white that wasn't true, and you're telling me I misunderstood it.

From Monday before the country-list message went out: "Samuel Rhodes: I see. I understand that. But this email with the complete information are started being sent out.

And once again, they are by batches. So please give us time and you will get them eventually."

Jessica: Yes what we meant was that email.

Client: But, and correct me if I'm wrong, it had not started being sent out. It was not sent out at all until 12:08 MDT, when it went out to everyone through MailChimp. At it did not contain any shipping information for the US or any shipping information for anywhere else except a dollar figure. I'm reconsidering my order now not because of the delay but because it looks like there might be an honesty problem. And so I'm trying to figure out what went wrong so that I can have confidence in what I'm told again.

Jessica: I am not sure what you mean by wrong. We said we will send out the shipping details and we sent and we also said that we will do a followup email to everyone individually which we are working on right now.

Client: Are you able to see the full conversation above? You said that you were sending complete details -- there were *no* details for the US and almost no details for anywhere else. You said you had already begun sending them, that they were being sent around the clock, when none had been sent. You don't see why that's wrong. Customers came asking because they had not received something when it was expected. You told them that *other* customers had received it and that it was just taking time to get to their batch. If in fact that isn't true, you don't see why it's wrong?

Jessica: How do you know that everyone received the email at the same time?

Client: I don't for sure

Jessica: It was sent in batches. Some got instantly and some got after a few hours

Client: I know that the few people that mentioned it all said the same time. I know that my own message headers showed it was from MailChimp, which suggests there would be no problem with volume capacity. I know there are a large number of people on the XDA thread about the phone, and no one was aware of any send-out until immediately after that same time. And I know that what I was told about the content of the email was wrong. So I'm just putting 1+1+1 together

Jessica: Its your right to believe what you think is right. But we have thousands of subscribers and they all received at different timings.

Client I guess there isn't much point in pursuing it further. I just realized I was arguing with a ShutterStock image

Chat ended

That last thing is true, by the way, though I don't have the post count required to make a hyperlink. [It's tineye.com (slash) search (slash) 6cf6eee3b6946a7a2b4dc93870d9aa5d227b7e30 (slash)... I don't know why it irritates me or even whether it counts as unprofessional, as I'm sure it's common. But it still bothers me. I guess it's my pesky expectation problem again, or just the context.
 

ryan49ryan

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I'll try and curb some of the negativity, hope Saygus follows through and I don't end up creating more negativity!
I asked Jessica in the 24/7 chat about shipping as we were getting close to Friday. She replied and told me that within a few hours they would be sending out individual emails with shipping details and then tracking numbers. She also said they will be spread out, some sooner and some later as they are individual.
Yes I know to take everything from the 24/7 chat with a grain of salt but once again, any news is better than nothing!
 

TheYoungLord

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I'll try and curb some of the negativity, hope Saygus follows through and I don't end up creating more negativity!
I asked Jessica in the 24/7 chat about shipping as we were getting close to Friday. She replied and told me that within a few hours they would be sending out individual emails with shipping details and then tracking numbers. She also said they will be spread out, some sooner and some later as they are individual.
Yes I know to take everything from the 24/7 chat with a grain of salt but once again, any news is better than nothing!

Hopefully I actually manage to get this one. I haven't received any emails since the initial order went through.
 

NexVision

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The problem is the chat is based out of some company overseas or it is a autobot. I was leaning towards a bot but I threw some curveball comments and it understood (which is rare for a bot). So I will go with a overseas chat center (there are tons) and for the most part they know absolutely nothing. I am sticking it out till Friday because at this point y not. However I do not believe anything coming from this company anymore. I am still on the fence about this Andreas person as well as I find it extremely hard to believe that he is able to get any info from anyone as well, however stranger things have happened. The company has literally been called out on numerous avenues and has yet to respond to anything so why they would give Andreas any info is the puzzling part

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out on Friday either people start getting tracking numbers, we get another delay email, or the site evaporates and a bunch of calls to CC companies begin.

I know Chad has stated on twitter he doesn't like the term VAPORWARE however if the shoe fits................. Again only time will tell.
 
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The problem is the chat is based out of some company overseas or it is a autobot. I was leaning towards a bot but I threw some curveball comments and it understood (which is rare for a bot). So I will go with a overseas chat center (there are tons) and for the most part they know absolutely nothing. I am sticking it out till Friday because at this point y not. However I do not believe anything coming from this company anymore. I am still on the fence about this Andreas person as well as I find it extremely hard to believe that he is able to get any info from anyone as well, however stranger things have happened. The company has literally been called out on numerous avenues and has yet to respond to anything so why they would give Andreas any info is the puzzling part

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out on Friday either people start getting tracking numbers, we get another delay email, or the site evaporates and a bunch of calls to CC companies begin.

I know Chad has stated on twitter he doesn't like the term VAPORWARE however if the shoe fits................. Again only time will tell.

Andreas is one of Saygus fans. He supported them by creating a new Saygus webpage. I highly doubts that he knows more information than us. Most of what he claimed before was not true. I just realized that when he yesterday answered a question in Saygus Facebook fan page that he contacted Chad Sayers and knew lots of info from him, while I kept trying to contact Saygus management along the last week without any output till the lady who replied my phone call told me Chad, Tim, and Chris are on vacation. Everyone can try this and see!
 

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The problem is the chat is based out of some company overseas or it is a autobot. I was leaning towards a bot but I threw some curveball comments and it understood (which is rare for a bot). So I will go with a overseas chat center (there are tons) and for the most part they know absolutely nothing. I am sticking it out till Friday because at this point y not. However I do not believe anything coming from this company anymore. I am still on the fence about this Andreas person as well as I find it extremely hard to believe that he is able to get any info from anyone as well, however stranger things have happened. The company has literally been called out on numerous avenues and has yet to respond to anything so why they would give Andreas any info is the puzzling part

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out on Friday either people start getting tracking numbers, we get another delay email, or the site evaporates and a bunch of calls to CC companies begin.

I know Chad has stated on twitter he doesn't like the term VAPORWARE however if the shoe fits................. Again only time will tell.

They use LiveChat (livechatinc.com). They are not bots, but are "cyborgs" - the service displays your question to them AS YOU TYPE IT, not when you hit "send" at the end. The service also analyzes what you type, and while you are typing it is displaying the operator a list of matching pre-canned responses. Useful feature, when the operator gets hundreds of similar questions. (like "are you really shipping on 22nd?")
:)
 

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I will do it.
Just like Saygus had a "prototype" phone, Sony had "prototype" sensors long before the mass release in April. Normally those prototypes are given to OEMs to try out and test before the mass release.
It is also possible Saygus originally used some other sensor, and at a later stage decided to change to this latest&greatest Sony sensor. This may have actually explained the delay.
And the third possibility, the sony sensor bit of info is just an unsubstantiated rumor, and the final phone would have some no-name crappy sensor, paired with same quality crappy lens.

And a forewarning: if you do receive a shipping notification on Friday, don't expect to receive the phone on Tue. I am 75% sure they will pre-generate shipping labels for all orders in one day, and then actually start packaging phones and applying the labels to them. The actual physical shipment maybe up to a week or more away from the time you receive your tracking number,
 
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They use LiveChat (livechatinc.com). They are not bots, but are "cyborgs" - the service displays your question to them AS YOU TYPE IT, not when you hit "send" at the end. The service also analyzes what you type, and while you are typing it is displaying the operator a list of matching pre-canned responses. Useful feature, when the operator gets hundreds of similar questions. (like "are you really shipping on 22nd?")
:)
OK, so pre write a line of message you want answers for. Once they are online copy and paste text to chat. If you receive answers...

This will prove your theory yay or nay;)
 
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There really is no advantage to "the float" these days. Interest rates on money in a bank account or CD are so low that it doesn't even keep up with our ridiculously low rate of inflation

This is true if you're using your own money, but at ~$500 each with ~10,000 people, that's $5,000,000, so at 0.85% APR, which is the highest available right now to my knowledge, that's $42,500 interest annually. Over 3 months, that's ~$10k. If they used the money to play the stock market, and made, say, 6%, it would be ~$75k. Granted, the former wouldn't be enough to make it worth it, and the latter likely wouldn't either, not to mention it would be very risky and open them up to a lot more criminal charges, but then, who knows. The more likely scenario, to me, is that the ~$5M gets put into an offshore account and the company files bankruptcy. I just wish I could decide whether I think this is complete incompetence, a criminal scheme, or they just flat out don't give a crap what their customers and others think of them and all they care about is making their phone.

On another note, another thing about this that has been bugging me is the name. Who thought V^2 was a good name. That only leaves one decent (and not very good, IMHO) name for a successor, the V^3. Then what? The V to the fourth? Seems they didn't leave themselves a lot of options in the future with the naming convention.
 

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On another note, another thing about this that has been bugging me is the name. Who thought V^2 was a good name. That only leaves one decent (and not very good, IMHO) name for a successor, the V^3. Then what? The V to the fourth? Seems they didn't leave themselves a lot of options in the future with the naming convention.

They probably trying to mislead competition from getting hold of their fcc/trademark details that would reveal crucial information which would give competition an advantage. They are a small smartphone company in a big smartphone dominated world. They gotta tread lightly.
 
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On another note, another thing about this that has been bugging me is the name. Who thought V^2 was a good name. That only leaves one decent (and not very good, IMHO) name for a successor, the V^3. Then what? The V to the fourth? Seems they didn't leave themselves a lot of options in the future with the naming convention.

Maybe that's why they announced rebranding that is coming on Friday. They will probably change v^2 to v*2, so for the #4 it will be "v by 4" , not "v to the fourth".
These small companies don't have well thought through long term plans and strategies.

One thing I do not get is why they want to bother charging US customers $8-12 for shipping. That requires a bunch of emails sent, a bunch of new transactions processed, a bunch of orders reconfirmed, etc. Should have just swallowed that $8-12, made their own lives easier, and just shipped all US orders for free.

I just hope this phone delivers as expected, especially in the camera department.
 

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    Alright then.

    I was thinking of getting my refund and decided to take my own advice and contact Saygus through the # I posted above.

    I spoke with Mindy. She of course took my info and asked me some questions. She read back to me "xxxxxxxxx.XDA" Yes..

    Once again she reiterated "xxxxxxxxx.XDA". I said yes again...

    She asked me to hold, when a man came on and said Hello this is Chad Sayers:eek:

    Chad was extremely pleased to hear from me and even better that I was a part of XDA.

    After some formalities, which included his thanks to all that have supported Saygus from XDA, he went on to explain some of the issues they had, and what they are working on.

    One of the company's looking to supply parts was Sharp. Over time, there camera failed to work with the system. Sharp later resolved this issue (or so they thought.) Sharp also made the promise to Saygus to build these for the March release date. Sharp had issues with assembly and layout which caused the first delay. Saygus ended up using a second source (for camera) which had assured Saygus this change would offer a May delivery.

    During the last few days of assembly (with devices ready to pack) they ran into further issues in Q&A (once again) with the back camera and connection interference. This lead to finding a better suited facility to finish the task of assembly.

    All the components are aligned (this was a brushed over statement)

    Chad says the phones are in the process :)silly:). He had to take a call but not before I stopped him and gave him my number. I asked him to call me from one of the V2s. He agreed to do this later today or tomorrow. This call will be put on YT of which (hopefully) I will confirm.

    The funny thing regarding the "call me" part was, him saying "yeah having a video showing that it can make calls is a good idea":laugh:

    I will now wait to see if he replies



    BTW I never did get to ask for my refund;)

    UPDATE Chad did not return call. Gave it an additional 3 days and then canceled order. At this point I feel there is to much smoke and mirrors. I can appreciate delays and the complications they face. I have issue with "the greatest technology found in any smart phone" still being a fact.

    When I did call to cancel, Mindy once again took my call. At the end of our conversation, she offered a possible delivery date of mid July to mid August.

    Good luck to all of whom hold out.
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    This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.

    I understand they have egg on thier face from both the previous v1 and from the 22nd May debacle and they do not want the public relations nightmare of stating then missing another shipping date BUT to do as the old musroom joke says, to keep us in the dark and feed us s4!7, is too much now. Especially the BS they keep shovelling us.

    They must have known weeks before 22nd May they were going to miss the shipping dates (or did they magically have the necessary certifications on an unfinished phone?), and they continue their lies until today.

    Now they have started a new campaign and we seem to have lost importance as the new campaign brings in a wave of new and enthusiastic customers (indiefunders) with all sorts of stupid requests - can we have a phablet, can you put all hte buttons on the other side, can you make another fundamental change that'll take months to re-engineer - and Saygus respond to all these "fools" hoping to score some more "fools" gold. And yet they constantly ignore us, the original customers who really do deserve a lot better from them.

    To judge their integrity let us judge factually, all copy and paste from their official Twitter account:

    • until 15 Jun or so run the OFFICIAL Twitter run by a complete twit. (everyone with any marketing knowledge knows you don't talk about yourself, your product or how great you think your company is and NEVER use generalisations like we are the best - always tell the consumer what your product does for them. See Apple for great examples).
    • 18 May - Yeeee haw! It's the week of shipping! (without certifications? So no shipping was ever going to happen)
    • 23 May - Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership AND Original production schedule was expected to stay the same. The transition has caused some delays. (So change of manufacturing partner occured prior to this date)
    • 29 May - We've been working hard with our partners to finish the V-Squared. (the use of "finish" in this manner implies the phone just needed the finishing touches)
    • 29 May - Were working hard on getting a specific shipping date (still waiting for this)
    • 3 Jun - Working on some QA testing with our new partners. Filming full demos for you the beginning of next week! (Suggesting the phone will be finished shortly, just in the stages of final testing and will be ready to film)
    • 15 Jun - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (ok, then, so now they are being finished)
    • 15 Jun - (released youtube video with Lewis Hilsenteger showing an apparently computer generated screen overlay on an unworking demo phone)
    • 15 Jun - reply to another tweet - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (the phones are being finished AGAIN?)
    • 17 Jun - Newest V Squared with box just in for E3 with redesign to include Type C USB AND Dual SIM wrapped in Lollipop 5.1! (suggesting to us that they now have boxed phones - shipping must be close again right?)
    • 17 Jun - (a few minor celebrities to try to dazzle us, waving a big mac at a starving crowd - look at our 128Gb phone - woooooo! - video lies about them doing the first 4K video (Z3 had this last year - Saygus have since changed the text to first look 4k video ) and lies about the biggest resolution selfie ever taken (HTC Desire Eye had 13M front camera released dec 2014 with dual front flash - that is asking for a law suit right there if you ask me)
    • 18 Jun - The hardware in current version you see in videos is final. The only changes are slight tuning for performance. (why did you change from the supposedly working 4.4.4 to 5.0 then 5.1, now talk of 5.1.1 if it induces delays?)
    • 19 Jun - Official Facebook page announced - links to empty FB "Business Manager" page, again no quality check even on the links they post.

    Now a few things not on the official twitter feed.

    First the Indigogo campaign disingeniously starting at $8xx,xxx dollars and they now claim $1 million reached !!!! Thankyou, please give us more, the more you give us the faster you get your phones!!!

    Now the conjecture:

    I believe the Indiegogog "success" is an attempt to get bloggers and android websites to report their "success" in taking $1million in two or three days to make the phone look popular, it is in my opinion a blatent attempt to use our unfulfilled pre-orders to gain free publicity. There is only one sort of publicity our unfulfilled orders should be making.

    And the Twitter feed is now littered with over enthusiastic Astroturf (wikipedia: On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.[1][2] Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.) from their "world leading" marketing company?

    I was defintely under the impression that the phones were almsot finished and just needed some final touches as phones were failing QA testing, I was given the impression that the almost finished phones were to be shifted to a new manufacturer for final assembly due to light leaking into the camera module.

    I was definitely given the impression that there would be a short delay as parts where shipped to the new facilty and completed.

    We are continually given the impression there are working models available when it now seems there are 2 or 3 working engineering samples with inconsistent parts (different backs).

    Now we are told we'll have the phone before Indiegogo customers/backers which is in "fall" which is up to 22nd Dec 2015.

    So the new shipping date is before 22 Dec (they hope). And we've all seen their timeline they released which does not feature our phones coming to us any time before this date.

    There are constant promises of news coming soon, exciting news coming soon, wait for it, a countdown coming soon, totla bull**** as nothing is coming ever from these guys.

    Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it. I doubt the phones are even made yet, we've been promised several times they were near completion.

    Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

    I have been "lucky" enough to get 3 months holiday, the phone was supposed to arrive at the beginning of my free time, it is now looking like I won't even receive it by the end of my holiday.

    To keep stringing us along like this is disrespectful. Give us a shipping date so we can decide if we wait or grab something else that exists.

    My suggestion is we all hit twitter asking for a current shipping date timeline and pound them into submission on this after all they are now profiting from the delays and we are being treated as 2nd class since they already have our money - chasing new money seems to be far more important than trying to satisfy those of us willing to gamble upon their word previously.
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    Thank you for the retort.In fact I expressed '+1' and Smileys in confirmation with the postings of @porkandbeans and @Boom515.If they have any objection in it I will wholeheartedly withdraw them.I think internet has introduced these shortcuts in order to make communication easier.And in xda even many eminent and well known developers are using them.However if you are feeling any kind of irritation in having used them by me I beg your pardon.And I shall make it a point not to use them in my comments relating to your posts.

    ---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 PM ----------


    He's not talking about you thanking them, he's talking about you making a separate quote and reply for each and every post you agree with ("+1" or smilies). Doing it for every single post that you agree with is, well, very spammy. Instead, use the "Thanks" button located on each post. It expresses your approval and confirmation of that person's post without clogging up the forum with quoted replies and "+1"s.
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    Samsung is gonna have a bowel movement in their pants!

    Samsung, instead of capitalizing on their strengths, they decided to imitate an unnamed Apple mobile device. Samsung ditched the removable battery and placed, regardless of what reviewers out there are saying, a small battery, as indicated by most of the battery tests not being done at 100% screen brightness.
    The Saygus V2, on the other hand, has technology that plays to the strengths of not having an unnamed Apple mobile device. A removable battery, regardless if you swap batteries or not: 1. You can most often get extended batteries, offering you crazy additional battery life if you choose, especially if the phone is popular. 2. If the battery ever degrades over time, and you're just not getting the same amount of juice life, you can just buy another battery.
    Also, regardless of what some out there are saying, a micro sd card slot is only a strength to the consumer. It offers additional storage, if you want to use it. If you don't need the extra storage today, then you don't have to use it. However, if you need the additional storage later in the future, then you have it. An example of this is 4k video. Lets say you're at a Zoo or Aquarium and want to take a lot of pictures or video. A micro sd card, gives you more room to place your recordings. Which brings me to the next thing: internal storage
    Most consumers buy apps and games for their phones. There are many games out there that have 1, 2 or even 3gb downloads, because the games are just so awesome. I have all the GTA games, Odd World, XCom, Bard's Tales, and most recently added Tomb Raider to name just a few. If you have 32gb of internal storage only, then you won't have room for all the 4k videos and pictures you want to take. This leads consumers to buy a 64gb phone. Even with a 64gb phone, without expandable storage, with having apps on your phone, taking up space, you may have room for pictures and videos, but not as much as if you had some additional storage.
    My argument is that having more internal storage, allows for consumers to buy more apps for their phones, which helps developers, but we also need to have micro sd card slots, which allows consumers to store more pictures and videos as well. Streaming and cloud services are good, but consumers should not be forced to rely upon them. Which brings me to the conclusion:
    The Saygus V2 has 64gb of internal storage, for all of my apps and with plenty of room for my future game purchases, of which more money will go to developers. The Saygus V2 has 2 micro sd card slots, so I can record plenty of videos and take many pictures, as I already own two 128gb micro sd cards. The price of the Saygus V2 is only $600 . The Samsung S6 starts at a higher price point, and keeps going up in price for increases in internal memory only. There is no WI-HD, there are no micro sd card slots, there are no front facing stereo speakers, there is no front facing 13mp camera with OIS, and there is no water resistance on the S6. The Saygus V2 has those things, and still has wireless charging built in. That is why I preordered the Saygus V2 and am patiently waiting for it. The Saygus V2 has exactly what I need. When the Saygus V2 becomes an international hit, other phone manufacturers like Samsung, are going to be scratching their heads, trying to figure out where they went wrong.
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    Hey Guys! :)

    I've recently had another call with Chad and Chris. As Alicia already wrote on Facebook, they are all very busy getting everything well organized for the 22nd of May. Chad will be flying to China tomorrow, in order to meet with their local team, near the factory, and to supervise the manufacturing process.
    Regarding the question, if May 22nd will be still the ship date, I've been told that they are on schedule and will start shipping on May 22nd. Unfortunately I don't have any concrete number of units, which will ship in the first batch, but the remaining devices will follow very soon.

    Concerning the VAT issue for European customers I can spread some hope, as there are ongoing talks with probably the biggest distributor for IT stuff in Europe. Besides that there are also some negotiations conducted with a large European retailer, which has its headquarter in Germany.

    Coming back again to the 'business' talks from earlier this day...
    It's not that easy to compare Saygus with some of the other big players in the smartphone market. Saygus is still relatively small against the well-established companies and has considerably less financial means to achieve its goals. You should try to keep this in mind, when talking about Saygus. ;)
    Moreover they want to give always the best and get better, where they have to improve. So they are really happy about every feedback, ideas or suggestions, in order to deliver you the best smartphone experience you've ever had. They really appreciate all your support. A great smartphone needs a great community to support it!
    In case you're having trouble reaching them, just drop me a message and I'll take care of your concern. :)


    As we approach four weeks to ship date without any announcement from carriers about compatibility, without any FCC info, without any info on beta testing, the risk of this being vaporware increases and with that increase, risk of losing the whole $550 outweighs the reward of saving $50-150.

    I can understand your motivations and hope you took the right decision. Feel free to come back again, whenever you want to!
    Nevertheless I want to point out that there has been an information about beta testing here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen...-one-maybe-t2996443/post60160367#post60160367
    Since we don't have any details about the FCC inspection yet, I'll try to get some more news on this in the next week.


    Does the phone support FM radio?
    Also about navigation does it support just GPS or GPS + Glonass?

    Although this question has been answered almost ten times now: FM will be definitely supported. Hurray! :D
    Not only GPS, but also GLONASS will be supported by the V² and both are already well tested and working.


    The only thing certification is going to do is say whether or not there going to sell it them self has nothing to do if it works on there network if have sim.

    As far as I know that's just the case with GSM/UMTS networks, but for CDMA the device has to be approved by the carrier in order to work with the specific network, as the carriers are having a device whitelist. See a detailed article about the difference between GSM and CDMA networks here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp


    Just to repeat it: I'm always quietly following here and trying to keep the thread clean and my contributions helpful.
    Apropos: Thanks for your endurance so far! In the end, this post got a little bit bigger than expected. :D

    Best wishes from Germany,
    Andreas