[Discussion] SAYGUS V2

[hormazdm]

A thread has been created just for the purposes of alternative to the V2 here.

Folks are free to post here on the subject:good:

Are you still in the game Tony.....still on the ship??

 

[TonyStark]

Are you still in the game Tony.....still on the ship??

"Game"

What game

Serious phone is serious:silly:

TonyStark is in EVERY GAME

 

[ryan49ryan]

Following up on a post in the Facebook group with a link to a street view tour of the Saygus offices. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.562...!3m3!1sKY88tT124IkAAAQDMaeeVg!2e0!3e2!6m1!1e1

I noticed another phone on a poster that kind of looks like the V2 but slightly different. Someone had suggested that the tour was taken in 2011 although it is listed as April 2013. Any idea if this is what turned into the V2 or another phone that never saw the light of day?

 

[Boom515]

Following up on a post in the Facebook group with a link to a street view tour of the Saygus offices. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.562...!3m3!1sKY88tT124IkAAAQDMaeeVg!2e0!3e2!6m1!1e1

I noticed another phone on a poster that kind of looks like the V2 but slightly different. Someone had suggested that the tour was taken in 2011 although it is listed as April 2013. Any idea if this is what turned into the V2 or another phone that never saw the light of day?

Searched for Vphone LTE

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/saygus-maker-vphone-looks-8m-new-funding/2012-08-20

 

[ryan49ryan]

Old phot is old. That was their first attempt at a cell phone.

They had a signed agreement with Verizon for this device, which never made it to market.

The phone in the photo isn't the original Vphone though. It only ran android 2.3 and the phone on the poster looks to be running something 4.0+. Additionally there is no front facing speaker and the display has a glass frame before the plastic/Kevlar which the V2 does not.
For reference here is a picture of the Vphone

 

[shaxs]

Old phot is old. That was their first attempt at a cell phone.

They had a signed agreement with Verizon for this device, which never made it to market.

And no, that is not a peak at their old v1 phone. The v1 was a candy bar shaped slider. This is called the v lte. Looks like a completely different phone. So they have failed at two and are now going to fail at a third.

 

[hdtechk]

Following up on a post in the Facebook group with a link to a street view tour of the Saygus offices. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.562...!3m3!1sKY88tT124IkAAAQDMaeeVg!2e0!3e2!6m1!1e1

I noticed another phone on a poster that kind of looks like the V2 but slightly different. Someone had suggested that the tour was taken in 2011 although it is listed as April 2013. Any idea if this is what turned into the V2 or another phone that never saw the light of day?

All though Saygus's offices look the same the hall way is much darker now so its not resent

 

[Boom515]

Yeah this looks to be a separate device. By the time the Vphone was finished it was pretty much outdated and probably just not very profitable. Every time I relax, something like this comes up lol

 

[Boom515]

This picture

Paris Hilton says it was taken January 18,2013. Interesting

 

[hdtechk]

Hope this backwards counter stops soon

 

[ryan49ryan]

And no, that is not a peak at their old v1 phone. The v1 was a candy bar shaped slider. This is called the v lte. Looks like a completely different phone. So they have failed at two and are now going to fail at a third.

My guess, based on the fact that there no info whatsoever on another phone called the Vphone LTE, is that this phone just turned into the V2 part way into it's development as to make it clear it was a different phone than the original Vphone which was not LTE enabled.

 

[dkryder]

i was doing a search via the wayback machine and found an interesting story about the oneplus invite system on the saygus website i think it was on an investor page back in december 2014. in that story the writer states saygus has obtained verbal promises for billions, if needed. if true they seem to be with the big guys.

 

[waterplanet]

Do you really guys believe the story of old and new partner??
They did not mention the world class marketing agency name that they partnered with, so no one could investigate and discover their new fib.
Mentioning this story is just to pave the way for the new imaginary superphone that is gonna delayed for a couple of months.
I started to believe they did not build any phone yet, except the three demos that they used to take and show in every tech. events.
I just don't what is their goal? what do they want?

This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.

3. Wait until the promised delivery date, while trying to make the customers believe that they are actually working on the product in the meantime.

4. When the customers wants refund, they pay back the exact amount they paid, but they keep the interest from the investment, so that they earn a small amount of money for each customer. If there are many customers this can add up to a considerable amount, making a scam like this profitable.

5. As long as there are enough preorders left, they will probably go on and on with new lies, excuses and claims that they will deliver this product in the future. When there are to few preorders left they will probably claim that they are unable to deliver the product because of some issues they ran into, they will (hopefully) pay the few people left back their money, and the project is over.


So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

 

[hormazdm]

This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.

3. Wait until the promised delivery date, while trying to make the customers believe that they are actually working on the product in the meantime.

4. When the customers wants refund, they pay back the exact amount they paid, but they keep the interest from the investment, so that they earn a small amount of money for each customer. If there are many customers this can add up to a considerable amount, making a scam like this profitable.

5.. As long as there are enough preorders left, they will probably go on and on with new lies, excuses and claims that they will deliver this product in the future. When there are to few preorders left they will probably claim that they are unable to deliver the product because of some issues they ran into, they will (hopefully) pay the few people left back their money, and the project is over.


So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

There is substance in what you have said above......and that could probably be the case that it unfortunately turns into vaporware.....but I think i will stick around for maybe a week or max 2 weeks to cancel my order and get a refund.......showing a little bit optimism here.......cause if and when the phone does come out in the general market, its going to be way way above the current pre-order price of $549.
Hoping for the best. If Saygus comes to know that their customers have given up then it will give them more chances and avenues to play with their money. Hence, guys who have stuck with their pre-orders, should in my, try and get some answers from Saygus. Keep proding and probing them. Somewhere someplace some truth or loophole will be visible.

 

[Soltkemecsei]

This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.
...
So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

I respect the freedom of speech, but I do feel that common sense should have at least that much respect...

 

[crazedgod]

Conspiracy Theory

Pre-ordered with order # 11** but cancelled after the first delay cos everything did always seems a little fishy to me.

While I do not believe that Saygus has any intention of ever releasing the phone as described, I’m not so sure about the deposit the money in an account and enjoying the interest theory. Interest rates in U.S have been the lowest in decades and would hardly earn them much. They could invest it internationally or in equity, but taxation laws and risks involved make these options unlikely.

Here’s my conspiracy theory - The phone was announced as bait for investors or buyers for the company. Saying you had 10k pre-orders from over 50 countries with no marketing {and cr**py customer service} could make Saygus attractive for a buyout. Investors obviously aren’t stupid but pitched well, you never know.

 

[Purest]

This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.

3. Wait until the promised delivery date, while trying to make the customers believe that they are actually working on the product in the meantime.

4. When the customers wants refund, they pay back the exact amount they paid, but they keep the interest from the investment, so that they earn a small amount of money for each customer. If there are many customers this can add up to a considerable amount, making a scam like this profitable.

5. As long as there are enough preorders left, they will probably go on and on with new lies, excuses and claims that they will deliver this product in the future. When there are to few preorders left they will probably claim that they are unable to deliver the product because of some issues they ran into, they will (hopefully) pay the few people left back their money, and the project is over.


So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

I've said this over a month ago. I definitely think they did this for interest but I don't think they made much. If you want to hurt them for the interest start doing charge backs instead of asking for a refund.

 

[Soltkemecsei]

I have heard a rumor that Chad is about to rule the world by occupying as many ice planets as possible before the Earth's water resources dry up. For this he needed some cash.
Pretty straightforward and quite comparable to all the rubbish theories of this thread.
Come on! Why would anyone go to expensive trade fairs to the other end of the world when all they want is getting our money (that we already gave them by that time!)? And all the interest-based nonsense theories. It is getting really annoying. This forum probably should have some trivia (like 3+4=?) before anyone being able to post messages.

 

[vladser]

My personal opinion: When the end of April Sagus announced another pre-order for $ 549, they already knew that they would not delivery May 22. They knew that after May 22 will be a massive request for refund and it's made to compensate for the refund to those who pre-order in January-February. Naturally those who pre-order only in the end of April, did not immediately withdraw the money. All this looks like a deception. And then there will be new pre-orders and delays.

 

[minatour44]

2nd batch of preorders

My personal opinion: When the end of April Sagus announced another pre-order for $ 549, they already knew that they would not delivery May 22. They knew that after May 22 will be a massive request for refund and it's made to compensate for the refund to those who pre-order in January-February. Naturally those who pre-order only in the end of April, did not immediately withdraw the money. All this looks like a deception. And then there will be new pre-orders and delays.

very good analysis, i'm praying as a 2nd batch invitee and purchaser your wrong, perhaps they didnt get enough funding and needed the extra cash flow to pay for the initial loan periodic charges?? although everyone talks about them keeping the interest, it might be more about having smaller outlay to keep loan charges from the banks to a minimum, since banks love to charge you through the nose, especially if its not backed by a guarantee.
I so want this phone, i almost wish id nver heard of it and was happy with my 5S, there really is no other phone i would leave apple for and this would have been it.....