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t3chfan

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FWIW I don't think Saygus has any nefarious or cynical motive, I just think they are a bunch of amateurs who went into something naively with the best of intentions, now find themselves up to their neck in s**t and are trying to bury their head in the sand hoping, just hoping that their Shenzen partners can build what they want, to the quality that they want.

I know I've banged this drum before, but spend 15 minutes reading about the Kreyos Meteor smart watch debacle - the problem is, unless you are big enough to have your own manufacturing plants you are reliant on outsourcing this aspect, and leave yourself to be very very exposed to sometimes less than honest and transparent 'partners'.

However this does not excuse the lack or transparency to the customers, but do you really, really want to know that Saygus still has not built a single working device that has the specifications and features that they advertise. Because, if I was a betting man (and I'm not, which is why I got my pre-order refunded!) I would suggest that this is exactly the current situation.
 

pah2602

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FWIW I don't think Saygus has any nefarious or cynical motive, I just think they are a bunch of amateurs who went into something naively with the best of intentions, now find themselves up to their neck in s**t and are trying to bury their head in the sand hoping, just hoping that their Shenzen partners can build what they want, to the quality that they want.

I know I've banged this drum before, but spend 15 minutes reading about the Kreyos Meteor smart watch debacle - the problem is, unless you are big enough to have your own manufacturing plants you are reliant on outsourcing this aspect, and leave yourself to be very very exposed to sometimes less than honest and transparent 'partners'.

However this does not excuse the lack or transparency to the customers, but do you really, really want to know that Saygus still has not built a single working device that has the specifications and features that they advertise. Because, if I was a betting man (and I'm not, which is why I got my pre-order refunded!) I would suggest that this is exactly the current situation.

The most balanced post here to date.

This is what I believe also. A lot of paranoia here about scams with little substance.

All in all a poor effort from the company. I'm preoccupied with exams until 12th June. That's as long as I'm willing to give Saygus.
 

waterplanet

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If they are honest, its very easy for them to prove so. They just have to ship one of the nearly finished prototypes they claim to have to an independent 3rd party, for instance The Verge or Android Authority, and ask them to verify that the prototype works close to the specs.

They have claimed on twitter that they will do this, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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xtermmin

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The reason behind the delays is so obvious now:
It's taking Saygus longer than anticipated to transfer everyone's pre-order money to an offshore account!
The week+ "vacation" that Chad and the other Saygus higher-ups are on? They've already fled the country!
 

Omegaclawe

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This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.

3. Wait until the promised delivery date, while trying to make the customers believe that they are actually working on the product in the meantime.

4. When the customers wants refund, they pay back the exact amount they paid, but they keep the interest from the investment, so that they earn a small amount of money for each customer. If there are many customers this can add up to a considerable amount, making a scam like this profitable.

5. As long as there are enough preorders left, they will probably go on and on with new lies, excuses and claims that they will deliver this product in the future. When there are to few preorders left they will probably claim that they are unable to deliver the product because of some issues they ran into, they will (hopefully) pay the few people left back their money, and the project is over.


So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

There are a few big flaws with this plan: The first is the return on investment. Lets say they find some crazy savings account that offers then 2% APY and lets them withdraw whenever they want (good luck...), after six months of leading us on, they would gain less than six dollars per pre-order. Lets say they have as few as six employees, and none of them intend to make more than $30,000 off of this. In this case, they would need 30,000 pre-orders that last the entire six months to meet this goal, and that's not including hosting, payment processing, keeping the lights on, etc. It simply does not pay the bills.

Meanwhile, the cost per phone is probably less than $300. If they make more than $250 per phone selling them, they do much, much better, and establish some longer-term income. Much better strategy, honestly.

If this IS a scam, they need to keep as many people's pre-order money as possible for when they go "bankrupt". In this case, they would likely make refunds more difficult to get... consider that when they refund you in full from a credit-card type purchase, they lose some money due to the payment processor. Probably higher than that 1% or so they might make off of a high-interest account. Also, in that case, the May 22nd date would have been almost ideal for declaring bankruptcy, considering they are unable (and otherwise unlikely) to collect more orders prior to the actual ship date of the device.

As a business, at this point, actually fulfilling our orders seems like the most profitable course of action... which is not to say that we'll get exactly what was promised... but here's hoping.
 

vertigo_2_20

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This is what I think is their motivation:

1. Create some prototypes and a spec of an amazing product that they promise to deliver at a date in the future, and offer prepaid preorders with some benefits.

2. Invest the money from the preorders in something. Hopefully low risk, like a high interest bank account.

3. Wait until the promised delivery date, while trying to make the customers believe that they are actually working on the product in the meantime.

4. When the customers wants refund, they pay back the exact amount they paid, but they keep the interest from the investment, so that they earn a small amount of money for each customer. If there are many customers this can add up to a considerable amount, making a scam like this profitable.

5. As long as there are enough preorders left, they will probably go on and on with new lies, excuses and claims that they will deliver this product in the future. When there are to few preorders left they will probably claim that they are unable to deliver the product because of some issues they ran into, they will (hopefully) pay the few people left back their money, and the project is over.


So I will strongly recommend anyone that preordered to request a refund as soon as possible. If you still believe this V^2 (Vaporware-Squared?) will ever be released, there is no reason you cannot buy it later, after its released.

I guess you missed my earlier post about this, you might want to take a look and see that the interest idea is very unlikely.
 

enzo ferraro

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For The Record

I have been extremely skeptical about this entire project, and have attempted to make my feelings known on this forum.

I fell in love with the phone when I first read of it early in the year, and paid $549 on Feb 3 in hopes of getting my hands on it soon, but that hope faded in the following weeks and months, and early last week I asked Saygus for a refund. I was very unsure they had any cash left at this late date, but they sent me an email saying they had handed off my request to their credit card outfit.

I just learned that my credit card company received $549 on Sunday, and credited it to my account. I wanted to let everybody
know, once again, "just for the record."

I intend to follow this project, and if the phone eventually gets produced and performs at or near its intended goals, I'll probably purchase one because it seems to have all the specs I'm very interested in having in a single device.

As with everyone else on this forum, I'm still hoping for the very best.
 

Freaky Beanie

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I have been extremely skeptical about this entire project, and have attempted to make my feelings known on this forum.

I fell in love with the phone when I first read of it early in the year, and paid $549 on Feb 3 in hopes of getting my hands on it soon, but that hope faded in the following weeks and months, and early last week I asked Saygus for a refund. I was very unsure they had any cash left at this late date, but they sent me an email saying they had handed off my request to their credit card outfit.

I just learned that my credit card company received $549 on Sunday, and credited it to my account. I wanted to let everybody
know, once again, "just for the record."

I intend to follow this project, and if the phone eventually gets produced and performs at or near its intended goals, I'll probably purchase one because it seems to have all the specs I'm very interested in having in a single device.

As with everyone else on this forum, I'm still hoping for the very best.

Glad to hear that you have received your refund ;)
 
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Zinguy

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That was a nice catch on the old poster. Consider investigative reporting as a career. Sifting through seemingly irrelevant information and piecing them together for a clearer picture of the Saygus trainwreck.
My conspiracy theory is mass gross incompetence. This evidence of still another rebranding effort in the early stages is just more confirmation. Normal path to market : Idea. > Plan.> Execution of plan.> Correction/fine tuning.>Marketing> Sale.
Saygus path: Idea.> Marketing.> Hype.> More Hype.> Fail. >More Hype.> Fail. > More Hype.> Crickets
 

halkhali83

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Saygus History?

After I checked Saygus office on Google (2010 images), I found it has more than 10 rooms and also seems to have not less than 25 employees.
I'm currently having questions to a business expert:
- How Saygus was able to manage paying those employees salaries and the rent of this well-furnished suite?
I remember when I checked Saygus website by the end of last year, I could not found any business or product, nor any software or project to sell on website. It was almost news page mentioning different stories.
- Did Saygus have any revenue along these years? from what?
 
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alexanseris

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After I checked Saygus office on Google (2010 images), I found it has more than 10 rooms and also seems to have not less than 25 employees.
I'm currently having questions to a business expert:
- How Saygus was able to manage paying those employees salaries and the rent of this well-furnished suite?
I remember when I checked Saygus website by the end of last year, I could not found any business or product, nor any software or project to sell on website. It was almost news page mentioning different stories.
- Did Saygus have any revenue along these years? from what?

An excellent question!
But unfortunately, I don't have the answer
 
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Cullenator

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Waiting for a refund

I have been extremely skeptical about this entire project, and have attempted to make my feelings known on this forum.

I fell in love with the phone when I first read of it early in the year, and paid $549 on Feb 3 in hopes of getting my hands on it soon, but that hope faded in the following weeks and months, and early last week I asked Saygus for a refund. I was very unsure they had any cash left at this late date, but they sent me an email saying they had handed off my request to their credit card outfit.

I just learned that my credit card company received $549 on Sunday, and credited it to my account. I wanted to let everybody
know, once again, "just for the record."

I intend to follow this project, and if the phone eventually gets produced and performs at or near its intended goals, I'll probably purchase one because it seems to have all the specs I'm very interested in having in a single device.

As with everyone else on this forum, I'm still hoping for the very best.

Glad to hear you got your refund. I'm still waiting for mine.

I contacted his excellency Samuel Rhodes yesterday, and he was actually surprisingly helpful in opening a follow-up ticket for my original refund ticket. I imagine he's had a lot of practice with that by now? Anyway, if it's helpful at all, here's my refund status so far, for those wondering about the process:
  1. I opened a ticket 6 days ago for a refund,
  2. I added a comment to the ticket 3 days ago explaining that I was still waiting for a response and would have to initiate chargeback if I didn't hear anything soon.
  3. I talked to Samuel Rhodes yesterday about the ticket, and he opened a second follow-up ticket for me.
It's not a painless process, but it's not a complete disaster (for me or Saygus) yet. I remain hopeful that it won't become one.

And good luck to the brave souls who remain on the Saygus train, although obviously I wouldn't advise it.
 

bob90210

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After I checked Saygus office on Google (2010 images), I found it has more than 10 rooms and also seems to have not less than 25 employees.
I'm currently having questions to a business expert:
- How Saygus was able to manage paying those employees salaries and the rent of this well-furnished suite?
I remember when I checked Saygus website by the end of last year, I could not found any business or product, nor any software or project to sell on website. It was almost news page mentioning different stories.
- Did Saygus have any revenue along these years? from what?

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1555400/000155540012000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml
 
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theleftykid

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They bloody invested the money to another company for a 30% equity. Now they are waiting to have their share back before paying the factory in China to start manufucturing the phone. Sadly, the company where they invest our money went on bankrupt and now they have trouble giving us a refund. 4 days now and still I have not heard from them about my request for a refund.
 

Cullenator

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They bloody invested the money to another company for a 30% equity. Now they are waiting to have their share back before paying the factory in China to start manufucturing the phone. Sadly, the company where they invest our money went on bankrupt and now they have trouble giving us a refund. 4 days now and still I have not heard from them about my request for a refund.

Um... That's a pretty specific claim, do you have a source or other reason to believe that?

Considering the last 3 days were part of a long weekend for the US, I'd say you don't have to get worried yet. Did you see this post? Looks like @enzo ferraro got his refund 2 days ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/say...-one-maybe-t2996443/post60972637#post60972637
 

JabbaMac

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That sec report is from 2012, and it just states how they were trying to raise $8M in investments by selling shares of their company. Chad has mentioned their "investors" before...these are they. Or those are they? They are those? Whatever. Why don't you nervous Nelly's all just get a refund and leave. These conspiracy theories are ridiculous.
 

TonyStark

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Alright then.

I was thinking of getting my refund and decided to take my own advice and contact Saygus through the # I posted above.

I spoke with Mindy. She of course took my info and asked me some questions. She read back to me "xxxxxxxxx.XDA" Yes..

Once again she reiterated "xxxxxxxxx.XDA". I said yes again...

She asked me to hold, when a man came on and said Hello this is Chad Sayers:eek:

Chad was extremely pleased to hear from me and even better that I was a part of XDA.

After some formalities, which included his thanks to all that have supported Saygus from XDA, he went on to explain some of the issues they had, and what they are working on.

One of the company's looking to supply parts was Sharp. Over time, there camera failed to work with the system. Sharp later resolved this issue (or so they thought.) Sharp also made the promise to Saygus to build these for the March release date. Sharp had issues with assembly and layout which caused the first delay. Saygus ended up using a second source (for camera) which had assured Saygus this change would offer a May delivery.

During the last few days of assembly (with devices ready to pack) they ran into further issues in Q&A (once again) with the back camera and connection interference. This lead to finding a better suited facility to finish the task of assembly.

All the components are aligned (this was a brushed over statement)

Chad says the phones are in the process :)silly:). He had to take a call but not before I stopped him and gave him my number. I asked him to call me from one of the V2s. He agreed to do this later today or tomorrow. This call will be put on YT of which (hopefully) I will confirm.

The funny thing regarding the "call me" part was, him saying "yeah having a video showing that it can make calls is a good idea":laugh:

I will now wait to see if he replies



BTW I never did get to ask for my refund;)

UPDATE Chad did not return call. Gave it an additional 3 days and then canceled order. At this point I feel there is to much smoke and mirrors. I can appreciate delays and the complications they face. I have issue with "the greatest technology found in any smart phone" still being a fact.

When I did call to cancel, Mindy once again took my call. At the end of our conversation, she offered a possible delivery date of mid July to mid August.

Good luck to all of whom hold out.
 
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    Alright then.

    I was thinking of getting my refund and decided to take my own advice and contact Saygus through the # I posted above.

    I spoke with Mindy. She of course took my info and asked me some questions. She read back to me "xxxxxxxxx.XDA" Yes..

    Once again she reiterated "xxxxxxxxx.XDA". I said yes again...

    She asked me to hold, when a man came on and said Hello this is Chad Sayers:eek:

    Chad was extremely pleased to hear from me and even better that I was a part of XDA.

    After some formalities, which included his thanks to all that have supported Saygus from XDA, he went on to explain some of the issues they had, and what they are working on.

    One of the company's looking to supply parts was Sharp. Over time, there camera failed to work with the system. Sharp later resolved this issue (or so they thought.) Sharp also made the promise to Saygus to build these for the March release date. Sharp had issues with assembly and layout which caused the first delay. Saygus ended up using a second source (for camera) which had assured Saygus this change would offer a May delivery.

    During the last few days of assembly (with devices ready to pack) they ran into further issues in Q&A (once again) with the back camera and connection interference. This lead to finding a better suited facility to finish the task of assembly.

    All the components are aligned (this was a brushed over statement)

    Chad says the phones are in the process :)silly:). He had to take a call but not before I stopped him and gave him my number. I asked him to call me from one of the V2s. He agreed to do this later today or tomorrow. This call will be put on YT of which (hopefully) I will confirm.

    The funny thing regarding the "call me" part was, him saying "yeah having a video showing that it can make calls is a good idea":laugh:

    I will now wait to see if he replies



    BTW I never did get to ask for my refund;)

    UPDATE Chad did not return call. Gave it an additional 3 days and then canceled order. At this point I feel there is to much smoke and mirrors. I can appreciate delays and the complications they face. I have issue with "the greatest technology found in any smart phone" still being a fact.

    When I did call to cancel, Mindy once again took my call. At the end of our conversation, she offered a possible delivery date of mid July to mid August.

    Good luck to all of whom hold out.
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    This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.

    I understand they have egg on thier face from both the previous v1 and from the 22nd May debacle and they do not want the public relations nightmare of stating then missing another shipping date BUT to do as the old musroom joke says, to keep us in the dark and feed us s4!7, is too much now. Especially the BS they keep shovelling us.

    They must have known weeks before 22nd May they were going to miss the shipping dates (or did they magically have the necessary certifications on an unfinished phone?), and they continue their lies until today.

    Now they have started a new campaign and we seem to have lost importance as the new campaign brings in a wave of new and enthusiastic customers (indiefunders) with all sorts of stupid requests - can we have a phablet, can you put all hte buttons on the other side, can you make another fundamental change that'll take months to re-engineer - and Saygus respond to all these "fools" hoping to score some more "fools" gold. And yet they constantly ignore us, the original customers who really do deserve a lot better from them.

    To judge their integrity let us judge factually, all copy and paste from their official Twitter account:

    • until 15 Jun or so run the OFFICIAL Twitter run by a complete twit. (everyone with any marketing knowledge knows you don't talk about yourself, your product or how great you think your company is and NEVER use generalisations like we are the best - always tell the consumer what your product does for them. See Apple for great examples).
    • 18 May - Yeeee haw! It's the week of shipping! (without certifications? So no shipping was ever going to happen)
    • 23 May - Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership AND Original production schedule was expected to stay the same. The transition has caused some delays. (So change of manufacturing partner occured prior to this date)
    • 29 May - We've been working hard with our partners to finish the V-Squared. (the use of "finish" in this manner implies the phone just needed the finishing touches)
    • 29 May - Were working hard on getting a specific shipping date (still waiting for this)
    • 3 Jun - Working on some QA testing with our new partners. Filming full demos for you the beginning of next week! (Suggesting the phone will be finished shortly, just in the stages of final testing and will be ready to film)
    • 15 Jun - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (ok, then, so now they are being finished)
    • 15 Jun - (released youtube video with Lewis Hilsenteger showing an apparently computer generated screen overlay on an unworking demo phone)
    • 15 Jun - reply to another tweet - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (the phones are being finished AGAIN?)
    • 17 Jun - Newest V Squared with box just in for E3 with redesign to include Type C USB AND Dual SIM wrapped in Lollipop 5.1! (suggesting to us that they now have boxed phones - shipping must be close again right?)
    • 17 Jun - (a few minor celebrities to try to dazzle us, waving a big mac at a starving crowd - look at our 128Gb phone - woooooo! - video lies about them doing the first 4K video (Z3 had this last year - Saygus have since changed the text to first look 4k video ) and lies about the biggest resolution selfie ever taken (HTC Desire Eye had 13M front camera released dec 2014 with dual front flash - that is asking for a law suit right there if you ask me)
    • 18 Jun - The hardware in current version you see in videos is final. The only changes are slight tuning for performance. (why did you change from the supposedly working 4.4.4 to 5.0 then 5.1, now talk of 5.1.1 if it induces delays?)
    • 19 Jun - Official Facebook page announced - links to empty FB "Business Manager" page, again no quality check even on the links they post.

    Now a few things not on the official twitter feed.

    First the Indigogo campaign disingeniously starting at $8xx,xxx dollars and they now claim $1 million reached !!!! Thankyou, please give us more, the more you give us the faster you get your phones!!!

    Now the conjecture:

    I believe the Indiegogog "success" is an attempt to get bloggers and android websites to report their "success" in taking $1million in two or three days to make the phone look popular, it is in my opinion a blatent attempt to use our unfulfilled pre-orders to gain free publicity. There is only one sort of publicity our unfulfilled orders should be making.

    And the Twitter feed is now littered with over enthusiastic Astroturf (wikipedia: On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.[1][2] Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.) from their "world leading" marketing company?

    I was defintely under the impression that the phones were almsot finished and just needed some final touches as phones were failing QA testing, I was given the impression that the almost finished phones were to be shifted to a new manufacturer for final assembly due to light leaking into the camera module.

    I was definitely given the impression that there would be a short delay as parts where shipped to the new facilty and completed.

    We are continually given the impression there are working models available when it now seems there are 2 or 3 working engineering samples with inconsistent parts (different backs).

    Now we are told we'll have the phone before Indiegogo customers/backers which is in "fall" which is up to 22nd Dec 2015.

    So the new shipping date is before 22 Dec (they hope). And we've all seen their timeline they released which does not feature our phones coming to us any time before this date.

    There are constant promises of news coming soon, exciting news coming soon, wait for it, a countdown coming soon, totla bull**** as nothing is coming ever from these guys.

    Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it. I doubt the phones are even made yet, we've been promised several times they were near completion.

    Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

    I have been "lucky" enough to get 3 months holiday, the phone was supposed to arrive at the beginning of my free time, it is now looking like I won't even receive it by the end of my holiday.

    To keep stringing us along like this is disrespectful. Give us a shipping date so we can decide if we wait or grab something else that exists.

    My suggestion is we all hit twitter asking for a current shipping date timeline and pound them into submission on this after all they are now profiting from the delays and we are being treated as 2nd class since they already have our money - chasing new money seems to be far more important than trying to satisfy those of us willing to gamble upon their word previously.
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    Thank you for the retort.In fact I expressed '+1' and Smileys in confirmation with the postings of @porkandbeans and @Boom515.If they have any objection in it I will wholeheartedly withdraw them.I think internet has introduced these shortcuts in order to make communication easier.And in xda even many eminent and well known developers are using them.However if you are feeling any kind of irritation in having used them by me I beg your pardon.And I shall make it a point not to use them in my comments relating to your posts.

    ---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 PM ----------


    He's not talking about you thanking them, he's talking about you making a separate quote and reply for each and every post you agree with ("+1" or smilies). Doing it for every single post that you agree with is, well, very spammy. Instead, use the "Thanks" button located on each post. It expresses your approval and confirmation of that person's post without clogging up the forum with quoted replies and "+1"s.
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    Samsung is gonna have a bowel movement in their pants!

    Samsung, instead of capitalizing on their strengths, they decided to imitate an unnamed Apple mobile device. Samsung ditched the removable battery and placed, regardless of what reviewers out there are saying, a small battery, as indicated by most of the battery tests not being done at 100% screen brightness.
    The Saygus V2, on the other hand, has technology that plays to the strengths of not having an unnamed Apple mobile device. A removable battery, regardless if you swap batteries or not: 1. You can most often get extended batteries, offering you crazy additional battery life if you choose, especially if the phone is popular. 2. If the battery ever degrades over time, and you're just not getting the same amount of juice life, you can just buy another battery.
    Also, regardless of what some out there are saying, a micro sd card slot is only a strength to the consumer. It offers additional storage, if you want to use it. If you don't need the extra storage today, then you don't have to use it. However, if you need the additional storage later in the future, then you have it. An example of this is 4k video. Lets say you're at a Zoo or Aquarium and want to take a lot of pictures or video. A micro sd card, gives you more room to place your recordings. Which brings me to the next thing: internal storage
    Most consumers buy apps and games for their phones. There are many games out there that have 1, 2 or even 3gb downloads, because the games are just so awesome. I have all the GTA games, Odd World, XCom, Bard's Tales, and most recently added Tomb Raider to name just a few. If you have 32gb of internal storage only, then you won't have room for all the 4k videos and pictures you want to take. This leads consumers to buy a 64gb phone. Even with a 64gb phone, without expandable storage, with having apps on your phone, taking up space, you may have room for pictures and videos, but not as much as if you had some additional storage.
    My argument is that having more internal storage, allows for consumers to buy more apps for their phones, which helps developers, but we also need to have micro sd card slots, which allows consumers to store more pictures and videos as well. Streaming and cloud services are good, but consumers should not be forced to rely upon them. Which brings me to the conclusion:
    The Saygus V2 has 64gb of internal storage, for all of my apps and with plenty of room for my future game purchases, of which more money will go to developers. The Saygus V2 has 2 micro sd card slots, so I can record plenty of videos and take many pictures, as I already own two 128gb micro sd cards. The price of the Saygus V2 is only $600 . The Samsung S6 starts at a higher price point, and keeps going up in price for increases in internal memory only. There is no WI-HD, there are no micro sd card slots, there are no front facing stereo speakers, there is no front facing 13mp camera with OIS, and there is no water resistance on the S6. The Saygus V2 has those things, and still has wireless charging built in. That is why I preordered the Saygus V2 and am patiently waiting for it. The Saygus V2 has exactly what I need. When the Saygus V2 becomes an international hit, other phone manufacturers like Samsung, are going to be scratching their heads, trying to figure out where they went wrong.
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    Hey Guys! :)

    I've recently had another call with Chad and Chris. As Alicia already wrote on Facebook, they are all very busy getting everything well organized for the 22nd of May. Chad will be flying to China tomorrow, in order to meet with their local team, near the factory, and to supervise the manufacturing process.
    Regarding the question, if May 22nd will be still the ship date, I've been told that they are on schedule and will start shipping on May 22nd. Unfortunately I don't have any concrete number of units, which will ship in the first batch, but the remaining devices will follow very soon.

    Concerning the VAT issue for European customers I can spread some hope, as there are ongoing talks with probably the biggest distributor for IT stuff in Europe. Besides that there are also some negotiations conducted with a large European retailer, which has its headquarter in Germany.

    Coming back again to the 'business' talks from earlier this day...
    It's not that easy to compare Saygus with some of the other big players in the smartphone market. Saygus is still relatively small against the well-established companies and has considerably less financial means to achieve its goals. You should try to keep this in mind, when talking about Saygus. ;)
    Moreover they want to give always the best and get better, where they have to improve. So they are really happy about every feedback, ideas or suggestions, in order to deliver you the best smartphone experience you've ever had. They really appreciate all your support. A great smartphone needs a great community to support it!
    In case you're having trouble reaching them, just drop me a message and I'll take care of your concern. :)


    As we approach four weeks to ship date without any announcement from carriers about compatibility, without any FCC info, without any info on beta testing, the risk of this being vaporware increases and with that increase, risk of losing the whole $550 outweighs the reward of saving $50-150.

    I can understand your motivations and hope you took the right decision. Feel free to come back again, whenever you want to!
    Nevertheless I want to point out that there has been an information about beta testing here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen...-one-maybe-t2996443/post60160367#post60160367
    Since we don't have any details about the FCC inspection yet, I'll try to get some more news on this in the next week.


    Does the phone support FM radio?
    Also about navigation does it support just GPS or GPS + Glonass?

    Although this question has been answered almost ten times now: FM will be definitely supported. Hurray! :D
    Not only GPS, but also GLONASS will be supported by the V² and both are already well tested and working.


    The only thing certification is going to do is say whether or not there going to sell it them self has nothing to do if it works on there network if have sim.

    As far as I know that's just the case with GSM/UMTS networks, but for CDMA the device has to be approved by the carrier in order to work with the specific network, as the carriers are having a device whitelist. See a detailed article about the difference between GSM and CDMA networks here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp


    Just to repeat it: I'm always quietly following here and trying to keep the thread clean and my contributions helpful.
    Apropos: Thanks for your endurance so far! In the end, this post got a little bit bigger than expected. :D

    Best wishes from Germany,
    Andreas