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So it looks like the ship date was clearly a lie based on the info I managed to pull out of them. They could never ship without FCC certs. If they are just now working on FCC stuff expect a long wait...
 

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So it looks like the ship date was clearly a lie based on the info I managed to pull out of them. They could never ship without FCC certs. If they are just now working on FCC stuff expect a long wait...
I do think I remember reading somewhere they were going to work on the Verizon certs in June, though if they were using that as a estimate for all certs it was misleading. Either way any legitimate progress is a relief.
 

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I do think I remember reading somewhere they were going to work on the Verizon certs in June, though if they were using that as a estimate for all certs it was misleading. Either way any legitimate progress is a relief.

Honest business practice???????

LOL!!!!!!

Oh well..... may they learn from their mistakes.

At least real progress is being shown this time.

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Maybe they were doing Fcc before but didn't bother telling us and telling us now it's maybe part of the 'we will be more transparent and keep you update''

i don't know and honestly don't mind,at least somethings happening
 

Charlie Brown

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Holy photoshop batman!! The logo on the back plate is photoshop. Ask me how I know.....

The front of the phone has a massive piece missing on the upper left near the V logo. There seems to be some kind of film over the screen. They could have at least set the correct date and time manually for us lol.

I doubt they will have a video with a fully working device by next week.

Just being realistic here. I hope I am wrong!

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vertigo_2_20

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Maybe they were doing Fcc before but didn't bother telling us and telling us now it's maybe part of the 'we will be more transparent and keep you update''

i don't know and honestly don't mind,at least somethings happening

Even if they were, which it doesn't appear is the case, they would have known they wouldn't be anywhere close to a May 22nd release with that still pending. They appear to have essentially admitted to lying. I have a new theory to explain their behavior: instead of criminal intent or incompetence, I think they've just been deceiving us this whole time in order to try and keep people from buying other phones while they get the V2 ready. I think they knew all along it wouldn't be ready to go until at least later this month, if not July or August, but they gave earlier dates to prevent people that wouldn't want to wait that long from going with other phones. Then once each promised delivery date came, they just delayed it for a little longer, figuring most people would hang on that little while more since they've already been waiting this long.
 

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Just out of interest and morbid curiosity and for kicks I tried to find some quotes out of the Quran and Bible relating to the "11:47"pm in the screen shot

Here are the results:

Quran
11:47
Sahih International
"[Noah] said, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from asking that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have mercy upon me, I will be among the losers."

Bible
Luke 11:47
"Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them."

Leviticus 11:47 New International Version (NIV)
" 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’”

Good times! :p
 

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Just out of interest and morbid curiosity and for kicks I tried to find some quotes out of the Quran and Bible relating to the "11:47"pm in the screen shot

Here are the results:

Quran
11:47
Sahih International
"[Noah] said, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from asking that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have mercy upon me, I will be among the losers."

Bible
Luke 11:47
"Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them."

Leviticus 11:47 New International Version (NIV)
" 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’”

Good times! :p

I looked in The Book of Mormon. There are lots of chapters 11 but none of them has a verse 47. Dang!
 

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Holy photoshop batman!! The logo on the back plate is photoshop. Ask me how I know.....

The front of the phone has a massive piece missing on the upper left near the V logo. There seems to be some kind of film over the screen. They could have at least set the correct date and time manually for us lol.

I doubt they will have a video with a fully working device by next week.

Just being realistic here. I hope I am wrong!

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It wouldn't surprise me if the unit we saw didn't have software on it. My guess is they put their stupid render in there and re-applied the plastic that goes over the screen, nothing's missing on the top from what I can see, I can see where the film has been cut. From what I've heard if they don't go through the carriers the FCC certification isn't required.
 

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From what I've heard if they don't go through the carriers the FCC certification isn't required.

I find that hard to believe. Regardless of whether they go through the carriers, I would think they still need to be checked to make sure they're not going to cause interference or other issues on the wireless spectrum. The FCC isn't there to check wireless devices for the carriers, it's there to check the devices to ensure they work properly and aren't going to negatively affect other devices. I see stickers on and/or mention in the manuals of various wireless devices regarding FCC compliance. I'm not sure if this means they've been certified by the FCC or just that they've been tested by the manufacturer and verified to comply.
 

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From what I've heard if they don't go through the carriers the FCC certification isn't required.


From here - https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/faqs-wireless-phones

All wireless phones sold in the United States meet government requirements that limit their RF energy to safe levels. The relative amount of RF energy absorbed in the head of a wireless telephone-user is given by the Specific Absorption Rate (SAR). The FCC requires wireless phones to have SAR levels no greater than 1.6 watts per kilogram.
 

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the phone can be sold in most of the rest of the world without FCC cert. maybe that is why saygus did not have the u.s. on the ship price sheet. at the time ithe list was released they could not ship to the u.s.
 
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Holy photoshop batman!! The logo on the back plate is photoshop. Ask me how I know.....

The front of the phone has a massive piece missing on the upper left near the V logo. There seems to be some kind of film over the screen. They could have at least set the correct date and time manually for us lol.

I doubt they will have a video with a fully working device by next week.

Just being realistic here. I hope I am wrong!

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Regarding that you think the image is Photoshopped. It wouldn't surprise me that Saygus did Photoshop it, as badly as I want it to be real. Out of curiosity I ran the photo through a tool that indicates areas with varying JPEG compression which is a sign that the image has been manipulated in some way. The reason the photo is so dark is that photos on twitter are compressed quite a bit which reduces the data available in the image.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f115b32b864d55c53fb9bae58f8f5d2840aa6529.330684
Basically areas that are are lighter and coloured have higher contrast, in this photo the only areas that this shows up are edges and reflective areas which are naturally higher contrast areas. The area with the logo comes up surprisingly clean, indicating that based on what this tool looks for, the image was probably not Photoshopped. See the fotoforensics site for what images that have had things Photoshopped into them look like and to get a more in depth idea of how to analyze the output. http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php I would expect to see the whole logo or at least the area surrounding it to be a bright white or at least not the same black as the rest of the back.

analysis.php

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Charlie Brown

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Regarding that you think the image is Photoshopped. It wouldn't surprise me that Saygus did Photoshop it, as badly as I want it to be real. Out of curiosity I ran the photo through a tool that indicates areas with varying JPEG compression which is a sign that the image has been manipulated in some way. The reason the photo is so dark is that photos on twitter are compressed quite a bit which reduces the data available in the image.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f115b32b864d55c53fb9bae58f8f5d2840aa6529.330684
Basically areas that are are lighter and coloured have higher contrast, in this photo the only areas that this shows up are edges and reflective areas which are naturally higher contrast areas. The area with the logo comes up surprisingly clean, indicating that based on what this tool looks for, the image was probably not Photoshopped. See the fotoforensics site for what images that have had things Photoshopped into them look like and to get a more in depth idea of how to analyze the output. http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php I would expect to see the whole logo or at least the area surrounding it to be a bright white or at least not the same black as the rest of the back.

analysis.php

CGldGRBUQAE5MEj.jpg

I'm a photoshop master and graphic artist for 25 years. I teach part time when not working for clients.

The logo was photoshopped on. The tool you use as stated only detects varying compressions. Which would be poor to only use one aspect of possible evidence to prove a molested image.

There are way too many artifacts around the logo. Pointing that it was put there then someone tried to clean up and soften the borders to blend it in. Albeit, this can cause excessive artifacting of the image.

Cheers

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I'm a photoshop master and graphic artist for 25 years. I teach part time when not working for clients.

The logo was photoshopped on. The tool you use as stated only detects varying compressions. Which would be poor to only use one aspect of possible evidence to prove a molested image.

There are way too many artifacts around the logo. Pointing that it was put there then someone tried to clean up and soften the borders to blend it in. Albeit, this can cause excessive artifacting of the image.

Cheers

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Well you can't say I didn't take you up on the initial offer for someone to ask you how you knew it was Photoshopped! :p I'll go with someone who actually knows their stuff over some fun tool I found online any day! I do agree completely with not liking those artifacts around the logo, wasn't sure if it was just Twitter's compression or not before. Thanks!
 
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the phone can be sold in most of the rest of the world without FCC cert. maybe that is why saygus did not have the u.s. on the ship price sheet. at the time ithe list was released they could not ship to the u.s.

Saygus later clarified that the US wasn't on the list at first because they hadn't worked out the shipping price with a distributor yet (lot to choose from, so they probably wanted to shop around for the best deal).

Additionally, Canada was part of the original list, and Industry Canada interfaces with the FCC compliance database, so if it was truly licensed for selling in Canada, it would also be in the FCC database, but it's not.
 
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This is why I'm waiting...

This kind a sums it up as to why I'm waiting for my V²: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Saygus-V2_id9073/rivals :good:

And please, do not bother and point out the CPU and GPU as a deficiency... because as it stands today, CPU and GPU a more than adequate for at least 1 to 2 more years...

And yes, Saygus is horrible at communicating but aren't we all...
 

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    Alright then.

    I was thinking of getting my refund and decided to take my own advice and contact Saygus through the # I posted above.

    I spoke with Mindy. She of course took my info and asked me some questions. She read back to me "xxxxxxxxx.XDA" Yes..

    Once again she reiterated "xxxxxxxxx.XDA". I said yes again...

    She asked me to hold, when a man came on and said Hello this is Chad Sayers:eek:

    Chad was extremely pleased to hear from me and even better that I was a part of XDA.

    After some formalities, which included his thanks to all that have supported Saygus from XDA, he went on to explain some of the issues they had, and what they are working on.

    One of the company's looking to supply parts was Sharp. Over time, there camera failed to work with the system. Sharp later resolved this issue (or so they thought.) Sharp also made the promise to Saygus to build these for the March release date. Sharp had issues with assembly and layout which caused the first delay. Saygus ended up using a second source (for camera) which had assured Saygus this change would offer a May delivery.

    During the last few days of assembly (with devices ready to pack) they ran into further issues in Q&A (once again) with the back camera and connection interference. This lead to finding a better suited facility to finish the task of assembly.

    All the components are aligned (this was a brushed over statement)

    Chad says the phones are in the process :)silly:). He had to take a call but not before I stopped him and gave him my number. I asked him to call me from one of the V2s. He agreed to do this later today or tomorrow. This call will be put on YT of which (hopefully) I will confirm.

    The funny thing regarding the "call me" part was, him saying "yeah having a video showing that it can make calls is a good idea":laugh:

    I will now wait to see if he replies



    BTW I never did get to ask for my refund;)

    UPDATE Chad did not return call. Gave it an additional 3 days and then canceled order. At this point I feel there is to much smoke and mirrors. I can appreciate delays and the complications they face. I have issue with "the greatest technology found in any smart phone" still being a fact.

    When I did call to cancel, Mindy once again took my call. At the end of our conversation, she offered a possible delivery date of mid July to mid August.

    Good luck to all of whom hold out.
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    This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.

    I understand they have egg on thier face from both the previous v1 and from the 22nd May debacle and they do not want the public relations nightmare of stating then missing another shipping date BUT to do as the old musroom joke says, to keep us in the dark and feed us s4!7, is too much now. Especially the BS they keep shovelling us.

    They must have known weeks before 22nd May they were going to miss the shipping dates (or did they magically have the necessary certifications on an unfinished phone?), and they continue their lies until today.

    Now they have started a new campaign and we seem to have lost importance as the new campaign brings in a wave of new and enthusiastic customers (indiefunders) with all sorts of stupid requests - can we have a phablet, can you put all hte buttons on the other side, can you make another fundamental change that'll take months to re-engineer - and Saygus respond to all these "fools" hoping to score some more "fools" gold. And yet they constantly ignore us, the original customers who really do deserve a lot better from them.

    To judge their integrity let us judge factually, all copy and paste from their official Twitter account:

    • until 15 Jun or so run the OFFICIAL Twitter run by a complete twit. (everyone with any marketing knowledge knows you don't talk about yourself, your product or how great you think your company is and NEVER use generalisations like we are the best - always tell the consumer what your product does for them. See Apple for great examples).
    • 18 May - Yeeee haw! It's the week of shipping! (without certifications? So no shipping was ever going to happen)
    • 23 May - Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership AND Original production schedule was expected to stay the same. The transition has caused some delays. (So change of manufacturing partner occured prior to this date)
    • 29 May - We've been working hard with our partners to finish the V-Squared. (the use of "finish" in this manner implies the phone just needed the finishing touches)
    • 29 May - Were working hard on getting a specific shipping date (still waiting for this)
    • 3 Jun - Working on some QA testing with our new partners. Filming full demos for you the beginning of next week! (Suggesting the phone will be finished shortly, just in the stages of final testing and will be ready to film)
    • 15 Jun - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (ok, then, so now they are being finished)
    • 15 Jun - (released youtube video with Lewis Hilsenteger showing an apparently computer generated screen overlay on an unworking demo phone)
    • 15 Jun - reply to another tweet - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (the phones are being finished AGAIN?)
    • 17 Jun - Newest V Squared with box just in for E3 with redesign to include Type C USB AND Dual SIM wrapped in Lollipop 5.1! (suggesting to us that they now have boxed phones - shipping must be close again right?)
    • 17 Jun - (a few minor celebrities to try to dazzle us, waving a big mac at a starving crowd - look at our 128Gb phone - woooooo! - video lies about them doing the first 4K video (Z3 had this last year - Saygus have since changed the text to first look 4k video ) and lies about the biggest resolution selfie ever taken (HTC Desire Eye had 13M front camera released dec 2014 with dual front flash - that is asking for a law suit right there if you ask me)
    • 18 Jun - The hardware in current version you see in videos is final. The only changes are slight tuning for performance. (why did you change from the supposedly working 4.4.4 to 5.0 then 5.1, now talk of 5.1.1 if it induces delays?)
    • 19 Jun - Official Facebook page announced - links to empty FB "Business Manager" page, again no quality check even on the links they post.

    Now a few things not on the official twitter feed.

    First the Indigogo campaign disingeniously starting at $8xx,xxx dollars and they now claim $1 million reached !!!! Thankyou, please give us more, the more you give us the faster you get your phones!!!

    Now the conjecture:

    I believe the Indiegogog "success" is an attempt to get bloggers and android websites to report their "success" in taking $1million in two or three days to make the phone look popular, it is in my opinion a blatent attempt to use our unfulfilled pre-orders to gain free publicity. There is only one sort of publicity our unfulfilled orders should be making.

    And the Twitter feed is now littered with over enthusiastic Astroturf (wikipedia: On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.[1][2] Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.) from their "world leading" marketing company?

    I was defintely under the impression that the phones were almsot finished and just needed some final touches as phones were failing QA testing, I was given the impression that the almost finished phones were to be shifted to a new manufacturer for final assembly due to light leaking into the camera module.

    I was definitely given the impression that there would be a short delay as parts where shipped to the new facilty and completed.

    We are continually given the impression there are working models available when it now seems there are 2 or 3 working engineering samples with inconsistent parts (different backs).

    Now we are told we'll have the phone before Indiegogo customers/backers which is in "fall" which is up to 22nd Dec 2015.

    So the new shipping date is before 22 Dec (they hope). And we've all seen their timeline they released which does not feature our phones coming to us any time before this date.

    There are constant promises of news coming soon, exciting news coming soon, wait for it, a countdown coming soon, totla bull**** as nothing is coming ever from these guys.

    Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it. I doubt the phones are even made yet, we've been promised several times they were near completion.

    Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

    I have been "lucky" enough to get 3 months holiday, the phone was supposed to arrive at the beginning of my free time, it is now looking like I won't even receive it by the end of my holiday.

    To keep stringing us along like this is disrespectful. Give us a shipping date so we can decide if we wait or grab something else that exists.

    My suggestion is we all hit twitter asking for a current shipping date timeline and pound them into submission on this after all they are now profiting from the delays and we are being treated as 2nd class since they already have our money - chasing new money seems to be far more important than trying to satisfy those of us willing to gamble upon their word previously.
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    Thank you for the retort.In fact I expressed '+1' and Smileys in confirmation with the postings of @porkandbeans and @Boom515.If they have any objection in it I will wholeheartedly withdraw them.I think internet has introduced these shortcuts in order to make communication easier.And in xda even many eminent and well known developers are using them.However if you are feeling any kind of irritation in having used them by me I beg your pardon.And I shall make it a point not to use them in my comments relating to your posts.

    ---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 PM ----------


    He's not talking about you thanking them, he's talking about you making a separate quote and reply for each and every post you agree with ("+1" or smilies). Doing it for every single post that you agree with is, well, very spammy. Instead, use the "Thanks" button located on each post. It expresses your approval and confirmation of that person's post without clogging up the forum with quoted replies and "+1"s.
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    Samsung is gonna have a bowel movement in their pants!

    Samsung, instead of capitalizing on their strengths, they decided to imitate an unnamed Apple mobile device. Samsung ditched the removable battery and placed, regardless of what reviewers out there are saying, a small battery, as indicated by most of the battery tests not being done at 100% screen brightness.
    The Saygus V2, on the other hand, has technology that plays to the strengths of not having an unnamed Apple mobile device. A removable battery, regardless if you swap batteries or not: 1. You can most often get extended batteries, offering you crazy additional battery life if you choose, especially if the phone is popular. 2. If the battery ever degrades over time, and you're just not getting the same amount of juice life, you can just buy another battery.
    Also, regardless of what some out there are saying, a micro sd card slot is only a strength to the consumer. It offers additional storage, if you want to use it. If you don't need the extra storage today, then you don't have to use it. However, if you need the additional storage later in the future, then you have it. An example of this is 4k video. Lets say you're at a Zoo or Aquarium and want to take a lot of pictures or video. A micro sd card, gives you more room to place your recordings. Which brings me to the next thing: internal storage
    Most consumers buy apps and games for their phones. There are many games out there that have 1, 2 or even 3gb downloads, because the games are just so awesome. I have all the GTA games, Odd World, XCom, Bard's Tales, and most recently added Tomb Raider to name just a few. If you have 32gb of internal storage only, then you won't have room for all the 4k videos and pictures you want to take. This leads consumers to buy a 64gb phone. Even with a 64gb phone, without expandable storage, with having apps on your phone, taking up space, you may have room for pictures and videos, but not as much as if you had some additional storage.
    My argument is that having more internal storage, allows for consumers to buy more apps for their phones, which helps developers, but we also need to have micro sd card slots, which allows consumers to store more pictures and videos as well. Streaming and cloud services are good, but consumers should not be forced to rely upon them. Which brings me to the conclusion:
    The Saygus V2 has 64gb of internal storage, for all of my apps and with plenty of room for my future game purchases, of which more money will go to developers. The Saygus V2 has 2 micro sd card slots, so I can record plenty of videos and take many pictures, as I already own two 128gb micro sd cards. The price of the Saygus V2 is only $600 . The Samsung S6 starts at a higher price point, and keeps going up in price for increases in internal memory only. There is no WI-HD, there are no micro sd card slots, there are no front facing stereo speakers, there is no front facing 13mp camera with OIS, and there is no water resistance on the S6. The Saygus V2 has those things, and still has wireless charging built in. That is why I preordered the Saygus V2 and am patiently waiting for it. The Saygus V2 has exactly what I need. When the Saygus V2 becomes an international hit, other phone manufacturers like Samsung, are going to be scratching their heads, trying to figure out where they went wrong.
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    Hey Guys! :)

    I've recently had another call with Chad and Chris. As Alicia already wrote on Facebook, they are all very busy getting everything well organized for the 22nd of May. Chad will be flying to China tomorrow, in order to meet with their local team, near the factory, and to supervise the manufacturing process.
    Regarding the question, if May 22nd will be still the ship date, I've been told that they are on schedule and will start shipping on May 22nd. Unfortunately I don't have any concrete number of units, which will ship in the first batch, but the remaining devices will follow very soon.

    Concerning the VAT issue for European customers I can spread some hope, as there are ongoing talks with probably the biggest distributor for IT stuff in Europe. Besides that there are also some negotiations conducted with a large European retailer, which has its headquarter in Germany.

    Coming back again to the 'business' talks from earlier this day...
    It's not that easy to compare Saygus with some of the other big players in the smartphone market. Saygus is still relatively small against the well-established companies and has considerably less financial means to achieve its goals. You should try to keep this in mind, when talking about Saygus. ;)
    Moreover they want to give always the best and get better, where they have to improve. So they are really happy about every feedback, ideas or suggestions, in order to deliver you the best smartphone experience you've ever had. They really appreciate all your support. A great smartphone needs a great community to support it!
    In case you're having trouble reaching them, just drop me a message and I'll take care of your concern. :)


    As we approach four weeks to ship date without any announcement from carriers about compatibility, without any FCC info, without any info on beta testing, the risk of this being vaporware increases and with that increase, risk of losing the whole $550 outweighs the reward of saving $50-150.

    I can understand your motivations and hope you took the right decision. Feel free to come back again, whenever you want to!
    Nevertheless I want to point out that there has been an information about beta testing here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen...-one-maybe-t2996443/post60160367#post60160367
    Since we don't have any details about the FCC inspection yet, I'll try to get some more news on this in the next week.


    Does the phone support FM radio?
    Also about navigation does it support just GPS or GPS + Glonass?

    Although this question has been answered almost ten times now: FM will be definitely supported. Hurray! :D
    Not only GPS, but also GLONASS will be supported by the V² and both are already well tested and working.


    The only thing certification is going to do is say whether or not there going to sell it them self has nothing to do if it works on there network if have sim.

    As far as I know that's just the case with GSM/UMTS networks, but for CDMA the device has to be approved by the carrier in order to work with the specific network, as the carriers are having a device whitelist. See a detailed article about the difference between GSM and CDMA networks here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp


    Just to repeat it: I'm always quietly following here and trying to keep the thread clean and my contributions helpful.
    Apropos: Thanks for your endurance so far! In the end, this post got a little bit bigger than expected. :D

    Best wishes from Germany,
    Andreas