[Discussion] SAYGUS V2

[aspid667]

Yes its been changed. Does anyone know if you're entitled to a phone if you buy one from indiegogo? Or can Saygus just take your money and run?

They can do this easily, because you're not buying phone, but crowdfunding the project. And at the end you supposed to get your perk, as sign of their gratitude to you. But who knows - may be they will be angry on you and won't give you any perk

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"NOW is the time to get.... in your hands"

Even the Saygus marketing people admit NOW is the time we got our phones....

...or at least a current delivery schedule.

You know, they've changed the delivery schedule manufacturer because previous one was bad. Now the new one strugling to produce the new delivery schedule and soon we'll see some engineering samples of this new delivery schedule.

 

[Sam K]

After seeing the announcement of the Samsung Galaxy J5 and J7 in the past few days I realized that there's one feature missing from the V² that those phones have and that's the front facing LED flash for the front facing camera.

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[kenosis]

http://mblog.gsmarena.com/saygus-v-squared-features-highlighted-set-improvised-videos/

Posted in GSMarena. I believe that you all have seen videos

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[alpha-niner64]

After seeing the announcement of the Samsung Galaxy J5 and J7 in the past few days I realized that there's one feature missing from the V² that those phones have and that's the front facing LED flash for the front facing camera.

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Yeah, that is something that could have been nice for those nightclub shots. Though a workaround that works plenty is Front Flash that uses the screen's white light to produce the same effect. Depending on how far you want to run with this discussion: you can find interesting things about the lux of a display over time versus a LED flash needed within the ms; finding yourself wrestling between the two for your everyday needs and specific needs. For example: the instantaneous lux for a iphone 5 LED light is roughly 40 but a display at say 452 nits can have a consistent intensity of 42 per square feet. Obviously consistent results are much better but if you're the person who wants to only expose your subjects while darking out the background then a flash would be more ideal. In that case, you can just use the rear camer w/ flash and hardware camera button. Either method works. While a front facing LED flash would be nice, I would not pay any more for that specific feature.

 

[SymbianRefugee]

Yeah, that is something that could have been nice for those nightclub shots. Though a workaround that works plenty is Front Flash that uses the screen's white light to produce the same effect. Depending on how far you want to run with this discussion: you can find interesting things about the lux of a display over time versus a LED flash needed within the ms; finding yourself wrestling between the two for your everyday needs and specific needs. For example: the instantaneous lux for a iphone 5 LED light is roughly 40 but a display at say 452 nits can have a consistent intensity of 42 per square feet. Obviously consistent results are much better but if you're the person who wants to only expose your subjects while darking out the background then a flash would be more ideal. In that case, you can just use the rear camer w/ flash and hardware camera button. Either method works. While a front facing LED flash would be nice, I would not pay any more for that specific feature.

A rear mounted xenon flash however i would definitely pay more for, it makes the phone into a "real" camera for those night shots - one reason I still have the 808

 

[alpha-niner64]

A rear mounted xenon flash however i would definitely pay more for, it makes the phone into a "real" camera for those night shots - one reason I still have the 808

Ask and deliver ASUS: Xenon-diode add-ons is in the works.

 

[SymbianRefugee]

Ask and deliver ASUS: Xenon-diode add-ons is in the works.

Thankyou, nice add on, though the whole carry around several bits of gear all the time just in case sort of destroys the usefulness

 

[aspid667]

While reading through Indiegogo and twitter posts I found that people asking same specs questions all the time. No wonder - there is no specs at all on official website. Only if one digs a little one can find https://www.saygus.com/v2-2/ with old specs - no dual-sim, no usb 3, no lollipop. I wonder what other changes were made during complete phone redesign. Size, for example.

 

[Freaky Beanie]

While reading through Indiegogo and twitter posts I found that people asking same specs questions all the time. No wonder - there is no specs at all on official website. Only if one digs a little one can find https://www.saygus.com/v2-2/ with old specs - no dual-sim, no usb 3, no lollipop. I wonder what other changes were made during complete phone redesign. Size, for example.

Yes everytime they do a website update they removed specs from the list...

 

[dkryder]

the thing appears to be a living scam, a scam in motion. the indiegogo people are pretty much like the preorder people were back in feb. i think the indiegogo campaign was about all was left for them to try and reverse the huge gash, they started to really bleed out the reserves in cash they had. it was important to find the most immediate avenue available to them to leverage whatever they could to increase cash on hand, and this cash was basically being thrown at them. indiegogo people are the ultimate risk takers with this situation, basically a big gamble. they are owed nothing at this point. i guess there is a good chance they put preorder funds into the campaign, also, as some have mentioned. as saygus says on the indiegogo page,

"While we undoubtedly will face more surprises and challenge on our journey, the Saygus team is prepared to tackle them!"

 

[SymbianRefugee]

This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.

I understand they have egg on thier face from both the previous v1 and from the 22nd May debacle and they do not want the public relations nightmare of stating then missing another shipping date BUT to do as the old musroom joke says, to keep us in the dark and feed us s4!7, is too much now. Especially the BS they keep shovelling us.

They must have known weeks before 22nd May they were going to miss the shipping dates (or did they magically have the necessary certifications on an unfinished phone?), and they continue their lies until today.

Now they have started a new campaign and we seem to have lost importance as the new campaign brings in a wave of new and enthusiastic customers (indiefunders) with all sorts of stupid requests - can we have a phablet, can you put all hte buttons on the other side, can you make another fundamental change that'll take months to re-engineer - and Saygus respond to all these "fools" hoping to score some more "fools" gold. And yet they constantly ignore us, the original customers who really do deserve a lot better from them.

To judge their integrity let us judge factually, all copy and paste from their official Twitter account:

• until 15 Jun or so run the OFFICIAL Twitter run by a complete twit. (everyone with any marketing knowledge knows you don't talk about yourself, your product or how great you think your company is and NEVER use generalisations like we are the best - always tell the consumer what your product does for them. See Apple for great examples).
• 18 May - Yeeee haw! It's the week of shipping! (without certifications? So no shipping was ever going to happen)
• 23 May - Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership AND Original production schedule was expected to stay the same. The transition has caused some delays. (So change of manufacturing partner occured prior to this date)
• 29 May - We've been working hard with our partners to finish the V-Squared. (the use of "finish" in this manner implies the phone just needed the finishing touches)
• 29 May - Were working hard on getting a specific shipping date (still waiting for this)
• 3 Jun - Working on some QA testing with our new partners. Filming full demos for you the beginning of next week! (Suggesting the phone will be finished shortly, just in the stages of final testing and will be ready to film)
• 15 Jun - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (ok, then, so now they are being finished)
• 15 Jun - (released youtube video with Lewis Hilsenteger showing an apparently computer generated screen overlay on an unworking demo phone)
• 15 Jun - reply to another tweet - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (the phones are being finished AGAIN?)
• 17 Jun - Newest V Squared with box just in for E3 with redesign to include Type C USB AND Dual SIM wrapped in Lollipop 5.1! (suggesting to us that they now have boxed phones - shipping must be close again right?)
• 17 Jun - (a few minor celebrities to try to dazzle us, waving a big mac at a starving crowd - look at our 128Gb phone - woooooo! - video lies about them doing the first 4K video (Z3 had this last year - Saygus have since changed the text to first look 4k video ) and lies about the biggest resolution selfie ever taken (HTC Desire Eye had 13M front camera released dec 2014 with dual front flash - that is asking for a law suit right there if you ask me)
• 18 Jun - The hardware in current version you see in videos is final. The only changes are slight tuning for performance. (why did you change from the supposedly working 4.4.4 to 5.0 then 5.1, now talk of 5.1.1 if it induces delays?)
• 19 Jun - Official Facebook page announced - links to empty FB "Business Manager" page, again no quality check even on the links they post.

Now a few things not on the official twitter feed.

First the Indigogo campaign disingeniously starting at $8xx,xxx dollars and they now claim $1 million reached !!!! Thankyou, please give us more, the more you give us the faster you get your phones!!!

Now the conjecture:

I believe the Indiegogog "success" is an attempt to get bloggers and android websites to report their "success" in taking $1million in two or three days to make the phone look popular, it is in my opinion a blatent attempt to use our unfulfilled pre-orders to gain free publicity. There is only one sort of publicity our unfulfilled orders should be making.

And the Twitter feed is now littered with over enthusiastic Astroturf (wikipedia: On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.[1][2] Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.) from their "world leading" marketing company?

I was defintely under the impression that the phones were almsot finished and just needed some final touches as phones were failing QA testing, I was given the impression that the almost finished phones were to be shifted to a new manufacturer for final assembly due to light leaking into the camera module.

I was definitely given the impression that there would be a short delay as parts where shipped to the new facilty and completed.

We are continually given the impression there are working models available when it now seems there are 2 or 3 working engineering samples with inconsistent parts (different backs).

Now we are told we'll have the phone before Indiegogo customers/backers which is in "fall" which is up to 22nd Dec 2015.

So the new shipping date is before 22 Dec (they hope). And we've all seen their timeline they released which does not feature our phones coming to us any time before this date.

There are constant promises of news coming soon, exciting news coming soon, wait for it, a countdown coming soon, totla bull**** as nothing is coming ever from these guys.

Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it. I doubt the phones are even made yet, we've been promised several times they were near completion.

Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

I have been "lucky" enough to get 3 months holiday, the phone was supposed to arrive at the beginning of my free time, it is now looking like I won't even receive it by the end of my holiday.

To keep stringing us along like this is disrespectful. Give us a shipping date so we can decide if we wait or grab something else that exists.

My suggestion is we all hit twitter asking for a current shipping date timeline and pound them into submission on this after all they are now profiting from the delays and we are being treated as 2nd class since they already have our money - chasing new money seems to be far more important than trying to satisfy those of us willing to gamble upon their word previously.

 

[Freaky Beanie]

You are 100% right. Unfortunately no other phones peak my personal interest so it's a gamble and a wait. So sad that we have to go in this roller-coaster to get the phone we all want...

 

[phixeus]

This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.
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Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it.

Nice summary of events. I couldn't agree more and I totally empathize.

But be careful, there is a whole host of lurkers that will come out of the bushes any second now to tell you to STFU for not limiting your posts to positive blurbs about Saygus. I could forgive the previous amateurism as soon as they start acting like professionals. And the first step for a turn around is to accurately estimate a timeline and release a schedule for the 1400 or so of us still left waiting. Especially when they told us after the last delivery shipment date past that they'd be shipping in weeks, not months. I don't think it is lying or a scam, I just think it is incompetence. Eventually they'll get it together but not without a bunch of continued bumbling first.

 

[TonyStark]

Has the early bird 600usd changed from x out of 500 to x out of 200???

i think the indiegogo is more about advertising than sales, however if they were to deliver the pre order phones before the end of the campaign i suspect the number of orders would go off the scale, compared to the current dribs and drabs.
I have certainly not yet recommended this phone via indiegogo to my friends since im not sure when/if i ever get the phone. It certainly looks more promising and i wont be cancelling until the likes of andreas and Tony cancel.

It has been done, as the chicanery has reached it's limit with me.

Andreas and the indiegogo minions will stay 'till the bitter end, whatever that may be.

To withdraw is a simple gut check for anyone. As I've stated before, when (if) this is delivered users will sell them within 6 months for cheap on Swappa, eBay etc.

At this point I can wait for the first iteration to run its course.

 

[SymbianRefugee]

From my Facebook feed just now:

Saygus V Squared
Sponsored ·

Have you seen the "Dream Phone" that has raised over $1 Million on Indiegogo?

&$%#!

Hit twitter demand a shipping date, they are not going to use my dissapointment for their own gain.

 

[Shadoe_Lance]

I kept pounding them on twitter about at least an estimated ship date for us pre orders on every tweet. They responded by blocking me. They pick and choose only the insignificant questions to answer and my clever remarks and come up with new cute catchphrases every chance they get. Will keep pounding every ad they come up with on Facebook until I get an answer or get blocked there also..

This complete and utter lack of communication on the shipping dates is comical, reminds me of "The Cone of Silence" on Maxwell Smart where it always turns out for the worst.

I understand they have egg on thier face from both the previous v1 and from the 22nd May debacle and they do not want the public relations nightmare of stating then missing another shipping date BUT to do as the old musroom joke says, to keep us in the dark and feed us s4!7, is too much now. Especially the BS they keep shovelling us.

They must have known weeks before 22nd May they were going to miss the shipping dates (or did they magically have the necessary certifications on an unfinished phone?), and they continue their lies until today.

Now they have started a new campaign and we seem to have lost importance as the new campaign brings in a wave of new and enthusiastic customers (indiefunders) with all sorts of stupid requests - can we have a phablet, can you put all hte buttons on the other side, can you make another fundamental change that'll take months to re-engineer - and Saygus respond to all these "fools" hoping to score some more "fools" gold. And yet they constantly ignore us, the original customers who really do deserve a lot better from them.

To judge their integrity let us judge factually, all copy and paste from their official Twitter account:

• until 15 Jun or so run the OFFICIAL Twitter run by a complete twit. (everyone with any marketing knowledge knows you don't talk about yourself, your product or how great you think your company is and NEVER use generalisations like we are the best - always tell the consumer what your product does for them. See Apple for great examples).
• 18 May - Yeeee haw! It's the week of shipping! (without certifications? So no shipping was ever going to happen)
• 23 May - Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership AND Original production schedule was expected to stay the same. The transition has caused some delays. (So change of manufacturing partner occured prior to this date)
• 29 May - We've been working hard with our partners to finish the V-Squared. (the use of "finish" in this manner implies the phone just needed the finishing touches)
• 29 May - Were working hard on getting a specific shipping date (still waiting for this)
• 3 Jun - Working on some QA testing with our new partners. Filming full demos for you the beginning of next week! (Suggesting the phone will be finished shortly, just in the stages of final testing and will be ready to film)
• 15 Jun - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (ok, then, so now they are being finished)
• 15 Jun - (released youtube video with Lewis Hilsenteger showing an apparently computer generated screen overlay on an unworking demo phone)
• 15 Jun - reply to another tweet - Our LOYAL Pre-Register customers get the phones currently being finished! (the phones are being finished AGAIN?)
• 17 Jun - Newest V Squared with box just in for E3 with redesign to include Type C USB AND Dual SIM wrapped in Lollipop 5.1! (suggesting to us that they now have boxed phones - shipping must be close again right?)
• 17 Jun - (a few minor celebrities to try to dazzle us, waving a big mac at a starving crowd - look at our 128Gb phone - woooooo! - video lies about them doing the first 4K video (Z3 had this last year - Saygus have since changed the text to first look 4k video ) and lies about the biggest resolution selfie ever taken (HTC Desire Eye had 13M front camera released dec 2014 with dual front flash - that is asking for a law suit right there if you ask me)
• 18 Jun - The hardware in current version you see in videos is final. The only changes are slight tuning for performance. (why did you change from the supposedly working 4.4.4 to 5.0 then 5.1, now talk of 5.1.1 if it induces delays?)
• 19 Jun - Official Facebook page announced - links to empty FB "Business Manager" page, again no quality check even on the links they post.

Now a few things not on the official twitter feed.

First the Indigogo campaign disingeniously starting at $8xx,xxx dollars and they now claim $1 million reached !!!! Thankyou, please give us more, the more you give us the faster you get your phones!!!

Now the conjecture:

I believe the Indiegogog "success" is an attempt to get bloggers and android websites to report their "success" in taking $1million in two or three days to make the phone look popular, it is in my opinion a blatent attempt to use our unfulfilled pre-orders to gain free publicity. There is only one sort of publicity our unfulfilled orders should be making.

And the Twitter feed is now littered with over enthusiastic Astroturf (wikipedia: On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.[1][2] Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.) from their "world leading" marketing company?

I was defintely under the impression that the phones were almsot finished and just needed some final touches as phones were failing QA testing, I was given the impression that the almost finished phones were to be shifted to a new manufacturer for final assembly due to light leaking into the camera module.

I was definitely given the impression that there would be a short delay as parts where shipped to the new facilty and completed.

We are continually given the impression there are working models available when it now seems there are 2 or 3 working engineering samples with inconsistent parts (different backs).

Now we are told we'll have the phone before Indiegogo customers/backers which is in "fall" which is up to 22nd Dec 2015.

So the new shipping date is before 22 Dec (they hope). And we've all seen their timeline they released which does not feature our phones coming to us any time before this date.

There are constant promises of news coming soon, exciting news coming soon, wait for it, a countdown coming soon, totla bull**** as nothing is coming ever from these guys.

Come on Saygus, do better. Put a timeline on it. I doubt the phones are even made yet, we've been promised several times they were near completion.

Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

I have been "lucky" enough to get 3 months holiday, the phone was supposed to arrive at the beginning of my free time, it is now looking like I won't even receive it by the end of my holiday.

To keep stringing us along like this is disrespectful. Give us a shipping date so we can decide if we wait or grab something else that exists.

My suggestion is we all hit twitter asking for a current shipping date timeline and pound them into submission on this after all they are now profiting from the delays and we are being treated as 2nd class since they already have our money - chasing new money seems to be far more important than trying to satisfy those of us willing to gamble upon their word previously.

 

[aspid667]

the thing appears to be a living scam, a scam in motion.

I think we must start our own Indiegogo campaign to fund our own private investigation of this living scam. We have to put the end to this comedy! Come on, SayTruth, V don't want to be Squared!

 

[Shadoe_Lance]

600 Reward Reduced from 500 units to 200.

On a side note, somebody on Facebook just pointed out that the total number of 600.00 rewards/pledge/orders on indegogo has been reduced from the original 500 to 200.. Getting more strange by the minute.. Attached is a screenshot from the original before reduction.

I think we must start our own Indiegogo campaign to fund our own private investigation of this living scam. We have to put the end to this comedy! Come on, SayTruth, V don't want to be Squared!

 

[aspid667]

On a side note, somebody on Facebook just pointed out that the total number of 600.00 rewards/pledge/orders on indegogo has been reduced from the original 500 to 200.. Getting more strange by the minute.. Attached is a screenshot from the original before reduction.

There is very simple explanation to this - they want even MORE money! Remember, preorder was $550, regular price - $600. Now preorder - limited number of $600, regular order - 650$. Also - does anybody still remember the magical handcrafted useless earphones, that preorder customers supposed to receive due to first delay? Has anybody seen it in recent outbreak of useless videos?

 

[Sam K]

Finally FM Reciever! Are You EXCITED!!!???? WTF have you guys been smoking? It's a "feature" on a extreme bottom end featureless dumbphone.

I agree with your post but I think people got excited about the FM transmitter not the FM receiver. I've never heard of an FM transmitter being included on any smartphone. It will come in handy for people who want to play their music on their car stereo without having to use a cable to connect it to an input on their car radio.


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