[Discussion] SAYGUS V2

[waterplanet]

Believe it or not I too can have a personal opinion.

I have never claimed otherwise. Also, I nether said anything about your ability to moderate XDA, the number of previous posts, or what I think XDA is about. Your post is very heavily loaded with straw man arguments.

I in no way spoke in any derogatory manner.

Sure, as long as you consider a statement like "everyone that disagrees with me is blind to reality" not to be derogatory.

Personally I disagree, and I it's a bit ironic that the other moderator presents this as a "fact", and not negative in any way. That very shortly after asking everyone to be constructive and respectful.

Your opinion is yours, as mine is mine. Finally last I looked, this was the [Discussion] SAYGUS V2 thread.

I am in fact allowed an opinion. If you do not like my statement, that's fine.

 

[alexanseris]

Why would anyone get refunds if it's a scam? Makes no sense. I think this is all incompetence, not a scam.

As for "developers, not feel-good site" - we should clearly distinguish what is an insult and moderators are not doing good job about it. No one sane is insulted by the fact.
Again, check Dunning Kruger it was meant for all the supersmarts here.

You are right Ivan Javora.. You need to bring the rest of trolls in your facebook group to here, and the moderator must ban everyone does not support Saygus to make this forum feel as a good site.

This forum is amazing without your pointless bashing. Instead of bashing forum moderator and other members' ideas, just simply leave and enjoy the exaltation/glorification toward Saygus in your Facebook closed group.

 

[halkhali83]

I actually miss Courtney, or did he move to his Water Planet!

 

[alexanseris]

I actually miss Courtney, or did he move to his Water Planet!

Well played ROFL:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[possibilis]

You are right Ivan Javora.. You need to bring the rest of trolls in your facebook group to here, and the moderator must ban everyone does not support Saygus to make this forum feel as a good site.

This forum is amazing without your pointless bashing. Instead of bashing forum moderator and other members' ideas, just simply leave and enjoy the exaltation/glorification toward Saygus in your Facebook closed group.

because incompetence = glorification

nice "reality"

 

[t3chfan]

... so then now you have a new phone coming out with last year's chip. And not a good one at that...

To be fair the SD 801 is still one of the best SoC's out there, pound for pound, despite showing its age. With some well-optimised hardware this could still do a perfectly good job for a couple of years, if the package was delivered at the right price.

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Your argument is pointless. It does not matter if it will turn out to be vaporware like the v1, it just matters for each of us individually to decide if he has had enough and thinks the risk of it being vaporware is too high or that you don't like the way they do business.

Personally I don't gamble so I've asked for a refund and got a Z1 & Z3 compact for the same price as the yet to be seen Saygus.

Out of interest, which do you prefer? I think the screen size and slightly less stupid flap layout on the Z3C are good but build quality/handfeel of the Z1C is more premium, and I haven't really noticed any great performance boost of the Z3C

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Ok lets let it go already. As stated there are two camps you can be in. You can either have faith Or believe that it is vaporware, I have seen one to many devices supposed to be killer devices just to become vaporware. I have a feeling that this one will be as well. Either that or it will be outdated by the time it is released.

The third option is the group that I am in - indifferent/ambivalent ex-'investors' who have our refund because we are highly suspicious of the whole thing but at this point don't really care one way or another what will happen with this device, or at least don't care enough to start flaming others in the community.

I've been very negative and vocal about this project previously, probably when the forum was in double-digit page numbers, and Tony Stark 'told me off' for this, quite fairly I feel as this was pre-May 22nd and Saygus were technically still 'on track'. He's done a good job in this forum and doesn't need any flak (but I don't think he needs me to fight his battles!) but at this stage you'd need the patience of a saint and faith of a true believer to foresee this ending well.

But, good luck to all of you, whatever you believe!

 

[Courtoman]

I've been reading this thread for the last few days and the comments by both members and moderators alike have been less than admirable. Accusations have run wild between members since day dot, and the glee with which certain members are now taking in claiming some sort of 'victory' over others is frankly astounding. I'm not going to even bother defending myself, let alone the ridiculousness of yet more bs about having an alternative account. I think the fact that all my accounts have some version of my name in them means I don't feel the need to hide behind some pseudonym.

If this threads members including the moderators, all think the phone is vaporware, then why does this thread exist in the first place?

Shut it down.

The members have expressed their opinion in their usual, terse, broken up English fashion. And we have moderators doing the same. What else is there to 'discuss'?

Shut it down. I think that's a fair call. There is only a small minority who don't realise the "reality" of the situation after all.

So... Put your money where your mouth is. Shut it down

 

[kboya]

I've been watching this from the beginning and rarely comment as there's been little substance to comment on! It's always been a contentious issue and people, including me, have or had money resting on this. I'm still waiting for the V2 but my patience is wearing thin. This thread, however, has broken my patience. Good luck to you, I'm gone.

 

[phixeus]

LG G4 in hand. It is a compromise but I have few complaints.

Saygus bumbled my refund request but several days and 3 exchanges later, they say my refund will be processed in 5-7 days. I'll let everyone know if/when this happens.

Refund requests do seem to dominate this thread these days. Pretty sad when the best you can say about a company has to do with their ability to process refunds. Go Saygus, refund processor extraordinaire!

 

[enzo ferraro]

Just to throw in my two cents worth: I have a Moto G, to which I've added a coil which fits between the rear cover and the battery. The coil has a pigtail which hooks into the USB port and feeds the juice from the coil to the battery. I have two PowerBot pucks which are on my desk, and which charge the phone (somewhat slowly) to an indicated 100%. My local Starbucks just installed Qi charging, apparently with "PowerMat," and when I tried the phone on that device, it did NOT charge or show any signs of life. I tried removing the back to see if a closer presentation would make a difference, but it did not. All I can infer from this--perhaps only a wildass guess--is that the wireless charging system may not respond to all the wireless chargers, but that's only speculation and your mileage may vary.

Enzo

 

[dkryder]

I've been reading this thread for the last few days and the comments by both members and moderators alike have been less than admirable. Accusations have run wild between members since day dot, and the glee with which certain members are now taking in claiming some sort of 'victory' over others is frankly astounding. I'm not going to even bother defending myself, let alone the ridiculousness of yet more bs about having an alternative account. I think the fact that all my accounts have some version of my name in them means I don't feel the need to hide behind some pseudonym.

If this threads members including the moderators, all think the phone is vaporware, then why does this thread exist in the first place?

Shut it down.

The members have expressed their opinion in their usual, terse, broken up English fashion. And we have moderators doing the same. What else is there to 'discuss'?

Shut it down. I think that's a fair call. There is only a small minority who don't realise the "reality" of the situation after all.

So... Put your money where your mouth is. Shut it down

there have been decent posts you could have replied to instead of interjecting what amounts to a cry of "uncle" on your part. why haven't you just posted a goodbye, deleted any urls you use to navigate here and just moved on in your private life? it would accomplish what you are looking for and leave that decision [no more going to this forum thread] entirely to you. take control of your life and make the decision to leave.

 

[Courtoman]

That seems rather personal dkryder, amongst many posts directed at myself and others who still actually have an order and would like to "discuss" the phone rather than go through the vaporware circle jerk for the 20th time.

I have been neutral from the start, like Andreas, but because we have both chosen to distribute information about the phone, as it is, and not as we wish it to be, like the Saygus employee we did have on the Facebook fan page, there has always been an active effort to run us off. And no one has bothered to ask why?

I know it's not worth anything to anyone anymore, but one of the reasons I stick in is because I speak to Andreas regularly, and he has passed on information and videos to me well before it becomes public knowledge, and even though I am a highly skeptical person, I realise that he actually does have a direct line to Chad.

Unfortunately he has/had been asked not to share this information outright as obviously there are issues with wanting to keep that flow of information coming in.

There is nothing I can say, or anyone else "in the know" can say at this point to convince anyone here that the phone is on track. That's fine. But the attacks, misinformation, and use of real names of members including myself has been deplorable.

If people were to actually use the 'search' feature as stated by XDA before posting frivolously, people can actually see past posts in this thread about how the phone came to be funded, and the ridiculous figure of only 1,600 preorders, had been corrected by Saygus in a follow up tweet. Did anyone care to correct the people that made these statements? No, that seems to be a job for people who care about accuracy.

So you're right dkryder, I am in fact calling uncle on sharing anything with this community, and as for responding to a decent post, first I'd have to find one that wasn't inaccurate and disparaging towards people who care about facts and not conjecture. I appreciate people like Symbianrefugee who actually put in the effort of putting together a valid argument as to the against of the phone being vaporware and the disgusting way Saygus has communicated and treated us. So to him/her I say thank you for at least being coherent

 

[Darth]

OK... Nothing constructive is coming from Saygus at the moment.... And nothing much constructive has been posted here in days, mostly just bickering.

Thread closed for now. Massive cleaning incoming..... And maybe this will be reopened.

Darth
Forum Moderator

Edit: Alright, here's the deal. I am leaving this thread closed for a day. Let people cool off, and realize that bickering back and forth with each other will solve nothing. Also, I am not deleting anything as of now. I found no real disrespect in any posts really....just frustrated members venting on XDA and unfortunately, each other.

Now for the "TL: DR" part.....though I hope you do read it!

I understand and empathize with everyone here. That is why nothing has been deleted. You looked forward to this new device, some even paid money up front as a pre-order, and so far things don't look good. The manufacturer hasn't delivered, and maybe never will. So, frustration is high. I get that. And I would be frustrated too.

But....now that frustration is being brought here, to this thread. Oversensitivity to comments is understandable when patience is thin.........but realize, Saygus are responsible, no one here on this site is. Let's end the bickering and turning on each other here and now. It won't make the phone suddenly appear, and it won't make refunds appear quicker either. Anytime a thread focuses on anything negative, like this situation, emotions run high for sure. So see it for what it is, and keep the focus on the device and it's manufacturer.

We are all entitled to our opinion....some will hold on to hope, some will simply move on and some will be upset. All those are fine. What isn't fine is turning this thread in to a boxing ring because you disagree with someone else. If you don't like what someone said....ignore it and keep walking. Or report it if you feel it broke any site rules.

As far as Moderators "throwing their weight around"...or trying to force their ideas on anyone.....I don't see that here. Moderators are members too, albeit, they represent the site....so need to uphold the sites rules and ideals always.....but Moderators have opinions too and also are free to participate on the site just like any other member. And I did not see any Moderator posting as a "Moderator" in the last few days....except me. Yes, this is a "business" post. Theirs were not. Theirs were opinions. Nothing more.

So, this will stay closed until tomorrow. And when it's reopened, we can all post constructively and no more personal battles. I would like to see a fresh start. And I will be deleting any senseless bickering posts without a thought like a Ninja in the shadows. Or off topic. Let's discuss the device, the current situation, and all respect the fact that everyone has an opinion, and most are frustrated.....so cut them some slack if they vent some. And, with the device probably not coming anytime soon....this thread can and will be closed permanently if it continues to be a battleground. I would prefer not to go that route....but constant cleaning can get any thread shut down.

See you tomorrow!! Let's relax a day and come back here refreshed and focused on the subject matter. :good:

Darth
Forum Moderator

 

[Darth]

OK all, thread reopened. Let's see how it goes.

I would read my long winded message above if you haven't already. :good:

Anymore bickering posts, and they will be deleted. And if it returns to the way it was before the closing.... Then the thread will just be closed.

Please... Post respectfully and post constructively.

Cheers,

Darth

 

[halkhali83]

Thank you Darth for that extremely constructive post, and thank you for re-opening this thread.
Guys let's discuss the current Saygus situation.
Less than 5 days left for Saygus Indiegogo campaign to end. Saygus might be successful in collecting $350k from almost 400 orders ONLY.
- What do you think about these outcomes?
- Do you think that Saygus will ask for ''In Demand'' to this campaign or get enough with what they gained so far?
They already need two more weeks after ending their campaign to receive that money minus 4% Indiegogo commission, and more commission from PayPal or Credit Card company.

 

[aspid667]

According to latest Indiegogo update the situation is very bad - nothing actually works in this phone except wireless beaming and gaming:

Hello friends!

We appreciate all of your support and are happy to announce that Android 5.1.1 is now on the operating system. We are currently in the process of tuning the V SQUARED in order to maximize use of its mega-powered hardware.

We've received many questions from international backers about how the phone will work abroad. We've added a section to the IndieGoGo page explaining this with the headline titled "World Phone." On the page we've added 2 game play videos demonstrating the no lag Wireless HD Streaming and also a demo video with raw clips from the release event showing off some features.

We are working on releasing more demo videos in the next few weeks. If you are craving anything Saygus while you wait for your phone, grab some popcorn and watch any of the 28 videos we have released on our YouTube channel. The channel includes behind-the-scenes, interviews with our founder and CTO, game-plays and more demo videos at http://bit.ly/1LSs4hc.

Still tuning, still serious problems with RF. I wonder - are we talking about phone or gaming console?

 

[vertigo_2_20]

Still tuning, still serious problems with RF. I wonder - are we talking about phone or gaming console?

This made me think of something. Maybe if they're unsuccessful with the V2 (or even if they are successful), they should consider making a tablet. They have some good ideas, and if not for the phone-related stuff they might actually have a product. While I'd still be wary of buying anything from them at this point, I would at least be interested in a small tablet with, say, 4 micro-SD card slots, the wireless HD streaming capability, great battery life, etc. Maybe use an Intel chip so it could run Windows, booted off of one of the SD cards or a separate partition of internal memory. Might give an alternative to the Surface at the right price.

 

[aspid667]

This made me think of something. Maybe if they're unsuccessful with the V2 (or even if they are successful), they should consider making a tablet. They have some good ideas, and if not for the phone-related stuff they might actually have a product. While I'd still be wary of buying anything from them at this point, I would at least be interested in a small tablet with, say, 4 micro-SD card slots, the wireless HD streaming capability, great battery life, etc. Maybe use an Intel chip so it could run Windows, booted off of one of the SD cards or a separate partition of internal memory. Might give an alternative to the Surface at the right price.

Maybe. But first they must produce something working except of several engineering samples, which we see on all these videos. As far as I understand there was so single production batch run so far. And this is very discouraging.

 

[Darkside14]

Maybe. But first they must produce something working except of several engineering samples, which we see on all these videos. As far as I understand there was so single production batch run so far. And this is very discouraging.

If we follow their planning they will start producing at about august

 

[aspid667]

If we follow their planning they will start producing at about august

If we were following their planning until now, they've started production in March or April. Their plans means nothing since their incompetence has "years of experience". Since they're strugling for months with RF tuning and still about half way done, August seems more wishful thinking than real timeframe.