DIY Full LOCA TGSP thread

[osrix]

I Thought it would be good to have dedicated thread to collate links, tips and tricks for the DIY installation and removal of a TGSP with LOCA glue.

I will update the OP with suggestions from below, lets get this nailed down.!

So far I have bought 2500 LOCA but ive heard that thinner is better ?

Neo3D has started posting some links for suitable TGSP's

To protect the earpiece I would use putty of some kind maybe some bluetack or similar .

How much glue? hoping someone will weigh the amount they use as we go on

I found some interesting info regarding touch screen relpacement which could give a good guide or starting point at least for TGSP
Samsung galaxy s5 s6 - 2.5 to 3.5ml
Samsung Galaxy Note - 2.5-4ml
Samsung Galaxy Note II NOTE 3, NOTE 4 - 3-4ml

There is a great video and a wealth of information in this thread here which I'll try and collate in to this OP later

Krazie Boy did a nice job HERE Using THIS TGSP And Some 2000 LOCA


Glues
LOCA viscosity 2500, 1000

Thinners for clean up of Loca glue
1) coleman fuel ( it is a black plastic bottle with red and white label any garden centres in uk sell them )
2) ronsonol lighter fluid yellow tin (not zippo)
( those two items listed above contains high percentage of PETROLEUM ETHER for samsung and iphone models it cleans without any problem
but some models of google nexus and they use different types of adhesive it won't clean )
if you can't get hold of those two listed above
3) isoproply alcohol (rubbing alcohol ) bit hard for iphones but better for samsungs
4) diluted acetone


Suitable TGSP's
This one in the UK, clear, no dots
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B075L55XFB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Threads

 

[DAvid_B]

The amount you need changes with viscosity and your patience.
4ml would probably be good for 2000, 3.5 for 1000.
If you want to test how much you need go to cvs and buy a bottle of pure glycerin. It has about a 1000 viscosity and you can mess around with testing your glass and such without wasting loca. You can clean it off your phone and the glass.
I suggest electrical tape on the sides and covering the ear piece.
I used a syringe to measure loca, but that will introduce bubbles if you aren't very careful.
With higher viscosity you can't just put it in a pool then drop the glass, it will never reach all the edges, unless you use more glue, then it becomes a mess running out them and sides.
Watch the videos of loca glue use, most people use a double y pattern for the glue, seems to work well.
I mailed xfactor, one loca glue seller on amazon to ask them to sell a glue in the 500 range of viscosity, and asked them if they knew what chemical we could add to thin out thier glue, they never answered.
I did find a thinner glue, but nobody sells it in small quantities.

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[tushardoultani]

If the tempered glass breaks how difficult is it to remove loca and the glass from the phone
Is there any video showing the process?

 

[krazieboy]

If the tempered glass breaks how difficult is it to remove loca and the glass from the phone
Is there any video showing the process?

I actually broke mines, and it was really easy to come off. I used an old hotel key card and the glass just came off pretty easily. Playing cards work wonders too. As for the glue, a cloth, rubbing alcohol and 5 mins of cleaning got it all off.

 

[tushardoultani]

Thanks bro...will definitely try..
Which one did you use and What do you recommend
Tp 2500 or 1000?

 

[krazieboy]

Thanks bro...will definitely try..
Which one did you use and What do you recommend
Tp 2500 or 1000?

info's in the op's thread. he linked one of my installs. I'm currently on whitestone's just because i bought them for dirt cheap.

 

[lennie]

Thanks bro...will definitely try..
Which one did you use and What do you recommend
Tp 2500 or 1000?

from my experience I would recommend loca 1000, it's easier to work with than the thicker loca 2500. if you do get bubbles while installing you can take your time and guide them out.

 

[whiteangelcl]

from my experience I would recommend loca 1000, it's easier to work with than the thicker loca 2500. if you do get bubbles while installing you can take your time and guide them out.

Please see the other thread that I posted on in this forum. The LOCA 1000 strength is too strong and may cause problems when removing. The strength has to be lower than that and it has to be thinner to allow for it to spread more easily.

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If the tempered glass breaks how difficult is it to remove loca and the glass from the phone
Is there any video showing the process?

https://youtu.be/G9QuCoY8xKA

Check this video out.

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https://youtu.be/mUxLO2JjU98

https://youtu.be/m5QTcvHTHf0


For installation you can check out the above 2 videos.

No Y or Double Y pattern is needed. The amount of loca used is extremely little. Double Y will use too much loca and cause a lot of excess to run out and make the adhesive below the tempered glass to be very thick causing a very ugly side view of the cured glue.

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[tushardoultani]

These videos show their own branded adhesive and its niether 1000 nor 2500... thats why i guess it removed so easily.

Is 2500 weaker in comparison to 1000 or stronger.?

 

[whiteangelcl]

These videos show their own branded adhesive and its niether 1000 nor 2500... thats why i guess it removed so easily.

Is 2500 weaker in comparison to 1000 or stronger.?

2500 is stronger in strength than 1000.

Usually when they talk about 1000 and 2500 what they are meaning is the viscosity of the glue.

With water being at 1 being the thinnest it goes up. Check out glue Cps values for a better understanding.

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[tushardoultani]

2500 is stronger in strength than 1000.

Usually when they talk about 1000 and 2500 what they are meaning is the viscosity of the glue.

With water being at 1 being the thinnest it goes up. Check out glue Cps values for a better understanding.

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Okay will do
But what would you recommend then?
Is there anyother loca readily available?

 

[whiteangelcl]

Okay will do
But what would you recommend then?
Is there anyother loca readily available?

Most of the loca sold in the open market is around 1000 and 2500 cps.

Whitestone is using around 150 cps but I do find that a little too thin and the strength of the adhesive a little bit too weak.

Usually those LOCA that are lower than 1000 cps has to be specially formulated.

Will let you know if there is any soon LOCA that is thinner and will update this thread. Cheers mate

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[tushardoultani]

Most of the loca sold in the open market is around 1000 and 2500 cps.

Whitestone is using around 150 cps but I do find that a little too thin and the strength of the adhesive a little bit too weak.

Usually those LOCA that are lower than 1000 cps has to be specially formulated.

Will let you know if there is any soon LOCA that is thinner and will update this thread. Cheers mate

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Cool.. thanks a lot mate.
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[lennie]

Please see the other thread that I posted on in this forum. The LOCA 1000 strength is too strong and may cause problems when removing. The strength has to be lower than that and it has to be thinner to allow for it to spread more easily.

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I'm sorry I don't think you have any experience with LOCA, at least not with LOCA 1000 viscosity. It is easy to work with and is not hard to remove. Your product costs $43 (in the videos you posted) and Whitestone dome costs about $45 to $50......while 2 tempered glass (of my liking which is full coverage) + LOCA 1000 (enough for 5 installations) + UV light...costs me less than that. All in all it costs me less than $15 per install.


And here's a note (no pun insteaded) if the tempered glass is shattered to the point it can't be lift off then some isopropyl alcohol (household rubbing alcohol) will loosen the LOCA up and it's extremely easy removal after that.

P.S it's not double sided tape, it's masking tape or painter's tape. After applying the tempered glass use the UV light for about 10 or 15 seconds at the top and bottom so the glass won't move then remove the tape the clean off any excess LOCA (if there's any). Then continue to cure the glass under the UV light.

Apply the tape on the edge of the phone so its not so far up that it gets under the screen. Seeing that the tape won't get under the glass, you can actually cure the glass with the tape still on the phone but I rather cure the top and bottom then remove the tape and do any clean up then do a full cure process.

I also want to say, good information is good, but bad information is really bad.

 

[whiteangelcl]

I'm sorry I don't think you have any experience with LOCA, at least not with LOCA 1000 viscosity. It is easy to work with and is not hard to remove. Your product costs $43 (in the videos you posted) and Whitestone dome costs about $45 to $50......while 2 tempered glass (of my liking which is full coverage) + LOCA 1000 (enough for 5 installations) + UV light...costs me less than that. All in all it costs me less than $15 per install.


And here's a note (no pun insteaded) if the tempered glass is shattered to the point it can't be lift off then some isopropyl alcohol (household rubbing alcohol) will loosen the LOCA up and it's extremely easy removal after that.

P.S it's not double sided tape, it's masking tape or painter's tape. After applying the tempered glass use the UV light for about 10 or 15 seconds at the top and bottom so the glass won't move then remove the tape the clean off any excess LOCA (if there's any). Then continue to cure the glass under the UV light.

Apply the tape on the edge of the phone so its not so far up that it gets under the screen. Seeing that the tape won't get under the glass, you can actually cure the glass with the tape still on the phone but I rather cure the top and bottom then remove the tape and do any clean up then do a full cure process.

I also want to say, good information is good, but bad information is really bad.

1) I do have a whole lot of experience with LOCA 1000 from the days of LCD screen replacements from Samsung S2, s3, note 2 etc

2) I will be posting up a video on LOCA 1000 soon and you will know what I meant by the strength of LOCA 1000 not being suitable for retail usage as it is extremely hard to remove.

3) when I meant double side tape, I was replying to a post of a member mentioning that won't it be better to leave the tape on the tempered glass while pasting using LOCA as it will hold on the tempered glass to the phone while the loca spreads. That is the double side tape I was referring to.

Anyway thanks for sharing and keep us posted the day you remove off LOCA 1000 or why not take a video to share when you remove? It will be educational for all of us.

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I'm sorry I don't think you have any experience with LOCA, at least not with LOCA 1000 viscosity. It is easy to work with and is not hard to remove. Your product costs $43 (in the videos you posted) and Whitestone dome costs about $45 to $50......while 2 tempered glass (of my liking which is full coverage) + LOCA 1000 (enough for 5 installations) + UV light...costs me less than that. All in all it costs me less than $15 per install.


And here's a note (no pun insteaded) if the tempered glass is shattered to the point it can't be lift off then some isopropyl alcohol (household rubbing alcohol) will loosen the LOCA up and it's extremely easy removal after that.

P.S it's not double sided tape, it's masking tape or painter's tape. After applying the tempered glass use the UV light for about 10 or 15 seconds at the top and bottom so the glass won't move then remove the tape the clean off any excess LOCA (if there's any). Then continue to cure the glass under the UV light.

Apply the tape on the edge of the phone so its not so far up that it gets under the screen. Seeing that the tape won't get under the glass, you can actually cure the glass with the tape still on the phone but I rather cure the top and bottom then remove the tape and do any clean up then do a full cure process.

I also want to say, good information is good, but bad information is really bad.

By the way, we do it in a commercial application and I have done more than 90 pieces easily for customers.

We have gone through almost 10 different formulations of glue and are well aware that the glue in the markets are meant for AMOLED Glass replacements (those you buy off the shelf) 1000 and 2500.

If the glue need not be specially formulated, there is no need for Whitestone to even create their own version of LOCA.

We work hand in hand with a factory to get our LOCA specially formulated just for the purpose of it being more viscous and also to reduce the strength to a point that it is suitable for retail customers to remove.

Great post on your side though buy thought I better just clarify somethings.

How many pieces have you done and removed using LOCA 1000 by the way?

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[lennie]

1) I do have a whole lot of experience with LOCA 1000 from the days of LCD screen replacements from Samsung S2, s3, note 2 etc

2) I will be posting up a video on LOCA 1000 soon and you will know what I meant by the strength of LOCA 1000 not being suitable for retail usage as it is extremely hard to remove.

3) when I meant double side tape, I was replying to a post of a member mentioning that won't it be better to leave the tape on the tempered glass while pasting using LOCA as it will hold on the tempered glass to the phone while the loca spreads. That is the double side tape I was referring to.

Anyway thanks for sharing and keep us posted the day you remove off LOCA 1000 or why not take a video to share when you remove? It will be educational for all of us.

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By the way, we do it in a commercial application and I have done more than 90 pieces easily for customers.

We have gone through almost 10 different formulations of glue and are well aware that the glue in the markets are meant for AMOLED Glass replacements (those you buy off the shelf) 1000 and 2500.

If the glue need not be specially formulated, there is no need for Whitestone to even create their own version of LOCA.

We work hand in hand with a factory to get our LOCA specially formulated just for the purpose of it being more viscous and also to reduce the strength to a point that it is suitable for retail customers to remove.

Great post on your side though buy thought I better just clarify somethings.

How many pieces have you done and removed using LOCA 1000 by the way?

1) You have a lot of experience with loca 1000? Oh, ok I couldn't tell because of some of the things you've said sort of doesn't add up to someone with huge experience.

2) lol, I'd like to see that video because it seems to go against what I know and what I've been doing and my experience with the glue. I don't know what you class as "extremely hard to remove" but on an unbroken screen I can start the lifting process with just one hand to roughly about halfway then use other hand to keep the lift from the other side and voila. On a broken screen I lift up the big parts that I can then use isopropyl alcohol to loosen the rest.

3) oh ok, but I didn't see you quote the person so I guess I thought it was you.

I wouldn't be talking if I didn't have experience with it. A couple weeks ago when I was looking for a proper tempered glass screen protector for my phones and friends I thought about doing a video but didn't have a tripod or clip to hold my camera. So I ended up doing just a one handed video and some pics just to show the process. Before I found the tempered glass I liked I did do a bunch of installs and removals.
I have no problems with helping anyone, I actually encourage them to do it as it's much cheaper, each install costs me roughly $14....it could cost me even $8 or less if I use a really cheap glass.


That is interesting that you went through 10 different formulations and great for you guys too....
From my point of view the glue is specially formulated for lower viscosity so less is used with minimal waste which is better for the end user as there's little to nothing to clean up after the install and not for some other arbitrary reason, you can correct me if I'm wrong though.

I've done about 11 installs and some removals so far, I don't have the 90 installs like you. But I'm to the point where I get pretty much a perfect install every time since about the 2nd or 3rd install. As I've said before I have little video but it's nothing too special. By the way, it's been 4 days since you posted I'd love to your video showcasing how hard loca 1000 is to remove. Looking forward.

 

[whiteangelcl]

Hi sorry about that. Was busy recently with some website migration.

Managed to do up this video first:

LOCA 1000 vs LOCA 2500: Are they suitable for a Full Adhesive Tempered Glass for your Samsung Note 8, S8 or S8 Plus?

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Actually just to add on. Testing so much LOCA recently also gave me some insights into the whole LOCA situation.

There are different LOCAs in the market coming from the Soft Cure LOCAs to the Hard Cure LOCAs. If you take a look at Whitestone LOCA, it is a SOFT CURE LOCA, when you peel it off it slowly you see the adhesive coming off slowly.

Let me just attach a photo of my Samsung Note 8 Midway through removing the LOCA 1000 first

Was quite sad honestly as my Note 8 was scratched that day. You see the middle portion, that part was the difficult part to remove off.

 

[lennie]

Hi sorry about that. Was busy recently with some website migration.

Managed to do up this video first:

LOCA 1000 vs LOCA 2500: Are they suitable for a Full Adhesive Tempered Glass for your Samsung Note 8, S8 or S8 Plus?

---------- Post added at 02:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:56 PM ----------

Actually just to add on. Testing so much LOCA recently also gave me some insights into the whole LOCA situation.

There are different LOCAs in the market coming from the Soft Cure LOCAs to the Hard Cure LOCAs. If you take a look at Whitestone LOCA, it is a SOFT CURE LOCA, when you peel it off it slowly you see the adhesive coming off slowly.

Let me just attach a photo of my Samsung Note 8 Midway through removing the LOCA 1000 first



Was quite sad honestly as my Note 8 was scratched that day. You see the middle portion, that part was the difficult part to remove off.

Can't see pic you posted.
By the way I use X-factor sticky-icky loca 1000.
In your video that's not the best way to apply loca 1000 or above. Check the images I posted. You'll see that it flows under the glass much faster and better, should take roughly 2 to 3 minutes (not 24 minutes). Also tape off the edges of the phone like you see in the pictures with masking or painter's tap because there will be some extras flow out the sides.

I personally don't know of any "hard cure" loca. But doesn't sound like something be used to install tempered glass.

 

[pieces of cake]

So, is there any useful information in this thread, or just bickering?