do you think project treble will ever be supported?

[vladtdr]

So I'm watching the treble news for the galaxy 9 and it's like a knife is turning in my back. I love the s8 hardware but the software, not so much. I have always preferred aosp but I don't like the pixel 2 xl's screen and I want a 2k display so no OnePlus. I hoped that the Oreo update for the s8 will bring project treble support like other OEM's did, but ofc Samsung screwed us one more time before the s9 launch. My question is: do you think that treble will ever come to the s8? Via official update from Samsung? or an xda developer port? :crying:

 

[eregev]

Because of how the system needs to be repartitioned, the only way to have treble is for the phone to come from the factory with treble set up.

 

[vladtdr]

Because of how the system needs to be repartitioned, the only way to have treble is for the phone to come from the factory with treble set up.

But phones that launched with nougat and got updated to Oreo support treble. Some Huawei and Sony devices. The essential phone too

 

[ocujos]

So I'm watching the treble news for the galaxy 9 and it's like a knife is turning in my back. I love the s8 hardware but the software, not so much. I have always preferred aosp but I don't like the pixel 2 xl's screen and I want a 2k display so no OnePlus. I hoped that the Oreo update for the s8 will bring project treble support like other OEM's did, but ofc Samsung screwed us one more time before the s9 launch. My question is: do you think that treble will ever come to the s8? Via official update from Samsung? or an xda developer port? :crying:

I'm very pessimistic when it comes to Samsung and upgrades. There is no money in putting the extra work to bring Project Treble on another "old" phone.
So bad is Samsung software update strategy that I'm on October 2017 Security patch while March 2018 is already out!
(Australian non-branded XSA S8+ here). They haven't even released Oreo update for non-branded phones! These phones are meant to get updates first as they don't require telco "certification".
Having said that all that, I'm sticking to with Samsung as their hardware "just works". If Google released a phone of Samsung quality and with a Samsung AMOLED screen I'd switch in a heartbeat.

 

[bilboa1]

samsung probably won't add treble support because there is nothing to gain for them. they'd rather you buy a s9. there's a lot of software-only feature in these phones where they want you to buy new hardware, even thus they could easily do it on the old hardware. but it cost money (effort) and they don't get revenue for it (sales), and they're already one of the leading android phone maker, so they don't have to care. All this make it very unlikely.

community might add it somehow, eventually, who knows. I guess you could interface oreo drivers to wrappers or something like that...

 

[peachpuff]

But phones that launched with nougat and got updated to Oreo support treble. Some Huawei and Sony devices. The essential phone too

Those companies care about its user, samsung on the other hand doesn't.

 

[vladtdr]

I saw that some Xiaomi phones got treble support un oficial( from Devs here on xda) maybe they can do the same for s8? I think the phone has to have a vendor partition tho

 

[ShouLie]

I think yes, because google demands companies to do so, and that means if they are going to use google's software, they have to respect their rules. But it probably will be supported after android pie update. At least s9 does support project t.

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I saw that some Xiaomi phones got treble support un oficial( from Devs here on xda) maybe they can do the same for s8? I think the phone has to have a vendor partition tho

I think it is only possible for some devices with non-necesarry but existing special partitions. Redmi note 4 had a special partition for miui to store some specific data. And dev used that partition to bring project treble support. As i know sammy devices don't have any other partition except ordinary ones.

 

[partcyborg]

Nope. Not going to happen. It wouldn't help USA Snapdragon devices anyway, as Samsung isn't signing non stock images. For 95XF/FD & 95X0 you can probably fake it, which I'll explain below.

I saw that some Xiaomi phones got treble support un oficial( from Devs here on xda) maybe they can do the same for s8? I think the phone has to have a vendor partition tho

For exynos and non usa/canada phones only this is possible now, if someone reverse engineers the pit file format, or if the one someone came out with years ago still works.

An easier solution though is to just make hybrid images from existing gsi ROMs. Just open up a gsi image, paste in the vendor from a rom and voila! Samsung already moved all the config files around and simplified /vendor to /system/vendor so this should work just fine. I've been meaning to try but haven't gotten around to it yet

 

[DalmAsian]

Im willing to try

Nope. Not going to happen. It wouldn't help USA Snapdragon devices anyway, as Samsung isn't signing non stock images. For 95XF/FD & 95X0 you can probably fake it, which I'll explain below.



For exynos and non usa/canada phones only this is possible now, if someone reverse engineers the pit file format, or if the one someone came out with years ago still works.

An easier solution though is to just make hybrid images from existing gsi ROMs. Just open up a gsi image, paste in the vendor from a rom and voila! Samsung already moved all the config files around and simplified /vendor to /system/vendor so this should work just fine. I've been meaning to try but haven't gotten around to it yet

Im willing to try this out, any chances of bricking my g955f. could you give me a step by step instruction on how to accomplish this seeing as no one seems to want to do this

 

[partcyborg]

Im willing to try this out, any chances of bricking my g955f. could you give me a step by step instruction on how to accomplish this seeing as no one seems to want to do this

I gave this a shot on a bl unlocked snapdragon a bit ago and had no luck. At least with snapdragon, there is more to it than that.

So no, this isn't something that I or anyone else can give you a set of exact steps to accomplish. There is way too many unknowns to possibly predict them all, as this would up being much more a development/porting project than I suspected.

I still think it's doable for my device, especially after learning a few things through running gsis on a device with full treble support, but it will still take understanding what is happening and being able to make decisions based upon logs and other development practices.