Feedback regarding touches on 8.12.13

[misleaded]

Here's my observation so far after clean flashed 8.12.13 from 8.12.10

-Multi touches/Ghost touch and screen freezes is reduced on 8.12.13 compared to 8.12.10 BUT it's still there and most of the time it happens slightly below the notch and sometimes around the navbar. Playing games causes the notification bar to pop up out of nowhere :\
-Screen flicker is not yet fixed.
-Touch sensitivity isn't the same as 8.12.10 which has the best touch respond time and so smooth and the UI feels heckin smooth but at 8.12.10 there's A LOT
multi touch/ghost touches and screen freezes.
-Aiming in PUBG doesn't feel smooth and snappy as 8.12.10.
-The navbar isn't responsive like in 8.11.15
-Mistouches is still here

Overall touch issues is 'fixed' for me about 80% and this is coming from a user that has been bitching about touch issues from day 1 so yeah.
Games are somehow more playable.
I know it's beta and I wrote this if anyone or the devs wants know some feedback on this beta

My Pocophone f1 is around September batch and made in China btw.
I wished the devs fixed the multi touch/screen freezes issue while keeping the touch senstivity from 8.12.10 on the next beta update and it'll be perfect (without breaking other parts ofcourse)

Also is there any links to submit a feedback regarding touches? If so please do put it here as I wanna give my feedback

 

[Jaco2k]

What you mean about flicker not fixed? I have been like crazy trying to find a fix for getting Android Auto to work as it is meant to - currently the device flickers a lot and eventually screen goes blank when using Android Auto.
...haven't tried yet the latest 8.12.13 - just flashed it alone with latest LOS16 and now need to go to car and see if there is any improvements

 

[RohanAJoshi]

Yep.
For me, .10 was better than .13

 

[misleaded]

What you mean about flicker not fixed? I have been like crazy trying to find a fix for getting Android Auto to work as it is meant to - currently the device flickers a lot and eventually screen goes blank when using Android Auto.
...haven't tried yet the latest 8.12.13 - just flashed it alone with latest LOS16 and now need to go to car and see if there is any improvements

Do give us a feedback after flashing latest LOS16.

 

[timberwolf60]

I was on 100% stock rom 8.12.13, no problems at all and enjoying it.

Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

 

[Jaco2k]

My girlfriend tried it on the car and the combination of LOS 16 with Firmware 8.12.13 also with Franco Kernel r7 and with HW overlays disabled in Developer settings seems to have done the trick.
Now I need to remove/disable a few of those things one by one to see what really solved it - my money is on the HW overlays disabled.

 

[misleaded]

My girlfriend tried it on the car and the combination of LOS 16 with Firmware 8.12.13 also with Franco Kernel r7 and with HW overlays disabled in Developer settings seems to have done the trick.
Now I need to remove/disable a few of those things one by one to see what really solved it - my money is on the HW overlays disabled.

Solved the screen flickers or android auto?

 

[Jaco2k]

Solved the screen flickers or android auto?

Yes. Working now as it should, but still not sure what exactly solved it.

---------- Post added at 10:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 AM ----------

Yes. Working now as it should, but still not sure what exactly solved it.

...and sooner I wrote it...
She just called saying that it is flickering again. The only thing that changed there was updating Magisk and rebooting the phone.
I am pretty sure that when you reboot the phone it resets the HW overlay setting in Developer options, so that seems to be the key to the flickering problem.
Would be good to see a more permanent fix than needing to resort to this hack.

 

[jomin_995]

Has anyone flashed 8.12.20? Is there any improvement

 

[wozhere]

Xiaomi doesn't have a factory for making phones and their production is also the inventory model, no stocks or parts or phones. They just commission batches of phones at different times for the same models, according to large combined orders, probably in differing workshops if demand is high. So quality can vary.

Xiaomi also make little or as reported no real profit from phones, they use the phones as brand advertising and make money from their numerous branded trinkets. This is a well known fact in the Asian business world. They don't spend tens of millions or billions on advertising like other big names. Their phones' models at cheap prices is their advertising which costs them nothing. This is their strategic PR & primary business model. They also enjoy bothering giants like Apple Google Samsung Huawei ZTE by being market disrupters in this way, cutting their profits by competitive pricing, at cost.

So each batch of Pocophone could, and is probably, a different phone specially if fixing teething problems in the first few months of a new model.

So XDA users giving feedback on all these Pocophone threads about problems with screen, touch, delay, random reboot etc. should give their rough purchase date and seller's identity+location. Otherwise everyone is talking about different phones.

That could be why recent buyers are facing little to no problems. I suspect Xiaomi have been fixing problems by replacing the faulty parts (screens etc) or assembly processes as well as kernel/ROM/drivers with better hardware & software & assembly guidelines. Probably with feedback from here, MIUI forums, etc.

But Xiaomi seem to be doing this secretly, which happened to previous models too, in order not to damage their reputation. So they can claim to problematic users, it's just your problem, Look at others. Did you damage your phone? This adds to the confusion of people talking about (in effect) different Pocophone builds & hardware. This confusion also helps Xiaomi escape blame.

Lesson 1:
When Xiaomi brings out a new phone, wait at least 4 to 6 months, for them to fix teething issues in their haphazardly commissioned assembly batches.
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It'll be also cheaper by then.

Lesson 2:
There is no standard Pocophone, after a few months the next wave of ordered batches could, and are probably, a different model, a slightly different Pocophone. With evolving parts & code & possibly even different hardware parts. Even if it's just a different assembly workshop or team or process with a different quality control.

 

[jomin_995]

Xiaomi doesn't have a factory for making phones and their production is also the inventory model, no stocks or parts or phones. They just commission batches of phones at different times for the same models, according to large combined orders, probably in differing workshops if demand is high. So quality can vary.

Xiaomi also make little or as reported no real profit from phones, they use the phones as brand advertising and make money from their numerous branded trinkets. This is a well known fact in the Asian business world. They don't spend tens of millions or billions on advertising like other big names. Their phones' models at cheap prices is their advertising which costs them nothing. This is their strategic PR & primary business model. They also enjoy bothering giants like Apple Google Samsung Huawei ZTE by being market disrupters in this way, cutting their profits by competitive pricing, at cost.

So each batch of Pocophone could, and is probably, a different phone specially if fixing teething problems in the first few months of a new model.

So XDA users giving feedback on all these Pocophone threads about problems with screen, touch, delay, random reboot etc. should give their rough purchase date and seller's identity+location. Otherwise everyone is talking about different phones.

That could be why recent buyers are facing little to no problems. I suspect Xiaomi have been fixing problems by replacing the faulty parts (screens etc) or assembly processes as well as kernel/ROM/drivers with better hardware & software & assembly guidelines. Probably with feedback from here, MIUI forums, etc.

But Xiaomi seem to be doing this secretly, which happened to previous models too, in order not to damage their reputation. So they can claim to problematic users, it's just your problem, Look at others. Did you damage your phone? This adds to the confusion of people talking about (in effect) different Pocophone builds & hardware. This confusion also helps Xiaomi escape blame.

Lesson 1:
When Xiaomi brings out a new phone, wait at least 4 to 6 months, for them to fix teething issues in their haphazardly commissioned assembly batches.
+
It'll be also cheaper by then.

Lesson 2:
There is no standard Pocophone, after a few months the next wave of ordered batches could, and are probably, a different model, a slightly different Pocophone. With evolving parts & code & possibly even different hardware parts. Even if it's just a different assembly workshop or team or process with a different quality control.

Mahn i hear you loud and clear. But when life gives you lemons... you gotta learn to make lemonade rt? Thats why this thread was created. unless and until xiaomi acknowledges this issue its our own problem. What better can we do than to try out their so called 'fixes'. Replacement would be bigger blunder since we would prolly get more defective ones only. Thats simply the reason why i 've asked if there is any improvement with the latest build and i sincerely expect an answer from users like me who experience a genuine issue of ghost touches and freezes that render the phone rather difficult to use in the first place. Others tryn these builds would report them better than last ones as they do not have the issue in the first place.. i believe it is the initial batches of the phones that experience such issues.
Still waiting for a remark..

 

[wozhere]

Mahn i hear you loud and clear. But when life gives you lemons... you gotta learn to make lemonade rt? Thats why this thread was created. unless and until xiaomi acknowledges this issue its our own problem. What better can we do than to try out their so called 'fixes'. Replacement would be bigger blunder since we would prolly get more defective ones only. Thats simply the reason why i 've asked if there is any improvement with the latest build and i sincerely expect an answer from users like me who experience a genuine issue of ghost touches and freezes that render the phone rather difficult to use in the first place. Others tryn these builds would report them better than last ones as they do not have the issue in the first place.. i believe it is the initial batches of the phones that experience such issues.
Still waiting for a remark..

Yes that's why I really started that post and it got long: to ask people posting to say when they got the phone and preferably location and seller too. Not to mention ROM/drivers/fixes flashed. Then the faulty batch can be traced. But yeah, that is really sneaky of Xiaomi to pretend there was nothing wrong and it is all the users' fault. Then Xiaomi can be told look, the people who bought it at period X got screwed with this fault, by Xiaomi and:

1) What are they going to do about it
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2) if there are fixes or tips or solutions by guys and girls here too

But a lot of fixes have been found thanks to threads like this or at least Xiaomi have been shown to be at fault, not the poor buyers. So well done Bro.

 

[jineshpatel30]

if you feel touch issue is still there with 8.12.20 confirm/report here

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5003318

 

[jomin_995]

if you feel touch issue is still there with 8.12.20 confirm/report here

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5003318

Sure. I will

 

[edwin995]

mine it's arriving the next the first week of january, this it's the version ive got, i'm not sure about the spanish text film, in all the reviews you'll see the text in english (the classic gearbest version) bought mine on amazon.com, my cousin says she dont feel any problem with the screen but i don't know, will be updating when i got it

 

[nISTHUR]

if you feel touch issue is still there with 8.12.20 confirm/report here

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5003318

done, hope something can be done abt this

 

[jomin_995]

I think it is only the first few batches of phones that are affected right? Maybe creating a separate thread with this link to report will help to identify more people experiencing similar issues. lodging a mass complaint would make xiaomi to atleast acknowledge the hardware issue...

 

[koax88]

I just bought this phone for a week. Did not notice any touch issue yet appart from typing error ( might be because im not used to larger screen phone) . Tested official stable and latest open beta. Maybe the issue is there,but because im not into gaming i never noticed that. The only thing that i can confirm is,this phone scrolling is sluggish compared to last year pixel 2. But overal for the price im quite satisfied with this phone. If it could be better,then its wonderful.. cheap and fast phone for us all.

 

[RohanAJoshi]

Touch lag issue is back on 8.12.27 firmware.
Why they introduced back it again ?
Anyone have any info ?
You can easily feel difference in keyboard and pubg, and also on edges of screen.

 

[jineshpatel30]

Touch lag issue is back on 8.12.27 firmware.
Why they introduced back it again ?
Anyone have any info ?
You can easily feel difference in keyboard and pubg, and also on edges of screen.

I think below discussion will be helpful

Here is the whole story of tuch issues and screen bleeding issues :-

1) first batch - Xiaomi was using screen from some supplier and it had screen bleeding. (users facing screen bleeding but no touch issues)

2) Second Batch - Later xiaomi changed the whole panel and this time they fixed the screen bleeding but got the touch issues. (users facing touch issues but no screen bleeding like me)

3) Third and latest batch - Later again xiaomi changed the touch panel and this time they fixed all the above issues. (third batch users facing no issues, neither screen bleeding nor touch issues, mostly from outside of India pocophone f1 users and poco f1 users in India having October or later manufactured device)

4) Now xiaomi is trying to fix the touch issue for second batch user by changing kernel values because screen bleeding can't be fixed by software updates.

5) if xiaomi fixes the issues for second batch people by increasing the current supply for touch planel to reduce touch delays by tweaking kernel then first batch people starts having issues like ghost touches because of over sensitivity due to over current values.

6) if xiaomi tries to fix the issues for the first batch people by reducing the current for touch panel again by tweaking kernel values then second batch people starts having issues like touch delay and lake of touch sensitivity because of reduced current values.

7) Meanwhile the third batch people has average values so they don't get affected by any of the above kernel changes so they didn't had any kind of touch issues in any of the build.

8) Because there are three different touch panels being used for poco f1 and each one is using different current values its very difficult to control all of them from the same kernel value or by a universal Rom.

9) Xiaomi can provide the device specific build like different-different kernel values for different touch panel devices.


Disclaimer - Above are my personal observations, nothing is confirmed by xiaomi officials and i may be wrong so don't take it seriously

Oh they bring back feelings for touch on 8.12.27 the touch frimware on this version are perfect

Is that a joke or are you serious? Some reported the touch response is bad on 8.12.27

I update my phone and i confirm the touch lag is back.

My phone never had issue before when i was on miui 9 but when they start to play on touch firmware its become so sensitive and the touch not that good on home screen they shift to left when i press on icons but now i dont face any issue maybe my phone hardware not have issues u have guys

For me also touch responsiveness seem much better on 8.12.27 than 8.12.20/24.
There was visible lag for me in last builds but now it works much faster.

BTW I read somewhere that they changed the OTA file in morning with same No. 8.12.27 due to some bug. But i just downloaded and flashed the one that's currently available on xiaomi website. Give it a try once again and see it's still giving you touch issue or not, because for me it's working much better compared to previous builds. (though still not as responsive as 10.1.3 stable )

Yes they changed the OTA file. I recently updated and touch seems to be good so please redownload the whole update and update it. They suspended the morning build and know its live again with the new tweaked kernel with the same number 8.12.27 and it doesn't have touch issue and icon flickering is also gone