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Morgrain

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Do you not get a full illuminated thumb/finger when you press on it? Several of us, do. It's a bit surreal really - even if it's been more reliable than the U/Sonic one I have with my S21U. I'd rather be able to not blind myself in a dark room when trying to simply unlock my phone,
I was trying to replicate your problem yesterday evening by playing with my phone in my bed in darkness. I use my thumbs to unlock the phone. That is why I had a hard time replicating your issue. When laying my thumb on the sensor, it's covered like 99% and even in a dimly or completely black environment, it doesn't bother me. HOWEVER, one time, I only laid a portion of my thumb on the scanner and about 20% of the illumination hit my face. That was indeed a ****ty experience, even though it's only for a very brief amount of time. So yes, that indeed can be a problem, even though it won't bother me much. It only happens if you misplace your thumb when trying to unlock the phone at night, even though most often or not the phone won't lock anyway in bed, at least not for me because I usually have wear detection on.

So yea, that is definitely a critic point, especially if you use other fingers than your thumb to unlock the phone.
 

PhilipL2021

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I was trying to replicate your problem yesterday evening by playing with my phone in my bed in darkness. I use my thumbs to unlock the phone. That is why I had a hard time replicating your issue. When laying my thumb on the sensor, it's covered like 99% and even in a dimly or completely black environment, it doesn't bother me. HOWEVER, one time, I only laid a portion of my thumb on the scanner and about 20% of the illumination hit my face. That was indeed a ****ty experience, even though it's only for a very brief amount of time. So yes, that indeed can be a problem, even though it won't bother me much. It only happens if you misplace your thumb when trying to unlock the phone at night, even though most often or not the phone won't lock anyway in bed, at least not for me because I usually have wear detection on.

So yea, that is definitely a critic point, especially if you use other fingers than your thumb to unlock the phone.

For me it all felt a bit weird seeing the light shine through my thumb, and seeing it glow red like it was burning hot when using it the dark. If not covering completely it is pretty blinding in the dark.

The other thing that concerns me is that circle is running the OLED panel in that area at maximum current and brightness, even if for a short period of time, it's over driving a circle of pixels where nothing else on that panel will likely ever be driven at that brightness, and unlocking many times a day that short flash soon adds up. So my concern is could it cause a circular shadow to appear over time due to those pixels wearing out quicker? Presumably other phones do this so maybe that just doesn't happen.

Currently I've gone back to using a pin code, and have it set to smart unlock whilst at my home location, as it all just feels unnatural, the whole process of it, whereas a finger print scanner on the back was just natural and convenient.

At the least the Pixel 6 always seems to know when I'm going to use it and turns on automatically, even though it is set not to, it actually works quite well as it would be a pain to be using the power button all the time.
 

xgerryx

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I believe some people were born to complain.

There is no such thing as a perfect phone, at least not for everyone. Why don't you forgo both Google and Samsung phones and buy an iPhone....
There is a baseline of things people expect in a smartphone in 2021, especially at this price. When things don't meet that criteria, people point it out. As they should. Life is an expectations game, always. They sold this as the best thing ever, turns out it might not be. Doesn't mean it's a "bad" phone.
 

Courtrick

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There is a baseline of things people expect in a smartphone in 2021, especially at this price. When things don't meet that criteria, people point it out. As they should. Life is an expectations game, always. They sold this as the best thing ever, turns out it might not be. Doesn't mean it's a "bad" phone.
how can you say price point when we are talking about a phone that's £850 vs £1099, I'm sorry but from what I've heard from the majority of the reviewers and people online who have the phone I've heard lots of positives. There is an over £200 difference between Pixel 6 Pro and Galaxy S21 (just barely over but over), there may be compromises but most people say they aren't that bad at all and they are in completely different price points anyway.

That being said, if these fingerprint sensor issues are that bad then I may need to reconsider before purchasing but I do hope it's been sorted soon
 

Birdsfan

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For what it's worth, in my less than 24 hours with the phone I have been happy to very happy with the phone. Many have mentioned there is no "perfect phone" for all of us as that definition is varied based on the individual. The power button arrangement is the same as my Pixel 4XL so I'm good. I like facial recognition W A Y better, others like fingerprint, personal preference. I would have rathered they used a frosted glass and a flat screen even if the phone would have been a bit thicker (I actually prefer a thicker device). Connectivity and all that, we will see what happens but so far for me with AT&T I have not noticed any difference but ymmv. I look at it this way, this is Google first attempt at it's own chip/truly high end phone and I think this would grade out as a B+. Hopefully they will take the positives and continue that next gen and correct the perceived mistakes based on the majority of their users since they will never satisfy everyone.
 

xgerryx

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how can you say price point when we are talking about a phone that's £850 vs £1099, I'm sorry but from what I've heard from the majority of the reviewers and people online who have the phone I've heard lots of positives. There is an over £200 difference between Pixel 6 Pro and Galaxy S21 (just barely over but over), there may be compromises but most people say they aren't that bad at all and they are in completely different price points anyway.

That being said, if these fingerprint sensor issues are that bad then I may need to reconsider before purchasing but I do hope it's been sorted soon
I think it depends where you are coming from. I have a Oneplus 8 pro and it cost me $1,000 in 2019 with free ear buds that I sold and a 10% student discount, so I really paid about $825. It has the same specs as the Pixel 6 pro aside from the chip, and my phone feels the same as it did new. All of the little things I've seen that would make me like a phone LESS don't exist on mine. Or they are in parallel. People coming from a Pixel 4 or the mid range 5 would absolutely love this Pixel 6 pro.

A good example is the battery life seems to be very poor in real world situations on the 6 pro, and it loses to whatever phone it's up against in the battery drain tests I've seen. My phone gets 6-8 SoT depending what I'm doing and i never even have to think about it. I can also lower my screen resolution to 1080p. What is one of the only things that can actually save you battery on the 6 pro? Lowering screen rez, and you CAN'T DO IT. That's a real world issue for me and there's no getting around it.
 
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Courtrick

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I think it depends where you are coming from. I have a Oneplus 8 pro and it cost me $1,000 in 2019 with free ear buds that I sold and a 10% student discount, so I really paid about $825. It has the same specs as the Pixel 6 pro aside from the chip, and my phone feels the same as it did new. All of the little things I've seen that would make me like a phone LESS don't exist on mine. Or they are in parallel. People coming from a Pixel 4 or the mid range 5 would absolutely love this Pixel 6 pro.

A good example is the battery life seems to be very poor in real world situations on the 6 pro, and it loses to whatever phone it's up against in the battery drain tests I've seen. My phone gets 6-8 SoT depending what I'm doing and i never even have to think about it. I can also lower my screen resolution to 1080p. What is one of the only things that can actually save you battery on the 6 pro? Lowering screen rez, and you CAN'T DO IT. That's a real world issue for me and there's no getting around it.
That's a good point, I personally really think this is a good phone but having seen everything on here I'm now scared to upgrade to it as I am worried the experience is really terrible
 

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  • 8
    Both, my husband and I, we switched from 2XL and even though it is a big, literally, change, the qualitywise it's also amazing. Apart from the curved screen, which is really annoying, we have already got used to everything. The screen quality, the battery life, connectivity, speed, picture quality - everything is better. Of course if I would switch from the previous top Samsung or Apple, I may not be as excited. I do not know that though. And we used to own Samsung S, after year and a half were not usable at all, our pixels 2xl were as good as at the beginning. Some people here are changing their phones every few months, I can imagine they are not as happy as we are. I do not think though I would ever go back to the Samsung's bloatware (it's important to state that we have never modified anything, never rooted, always used the way the manufacturer wanted). For me pixels are perfect.
    To be honest here - I don't understand people that switch from one flagship to another (same generation). I usually change my phones every 2 years and then my family gets my old one. People from a OnePlus 9 Pro or a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra... you already have a decent flagship, you seriously cashing out another grand to experience a phone that might make this 10% better, and that 10% worse? And then go boomsh*t crazy if this Pixel phone does things differently - like placing the power button somewhere else? Seriously? You want another phone and another experience, and THEN COMPLAIN BECAUSE ITS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT?

    In the end it's the same generation, similar processor nodes, similar battery technology and sizes - there is nothing here that could re-invent the wheel. Sure, sure, Google has some neat AI tricks, but most of those are software locked to get people to buy their latest Pixels - just take the Magic Erazer as an example - that one is functioning mighty fine on previous pixels with APK sideloading.

    Some people change their phones like their underwear. Just take the Oneplus 9 Pro for example. It's barely out half a year, and people already feel the need to switch. Now, does say more about the user or the phone?

    Why, that's beyond me. Some people already have good phones (those mentioned in this forum, by the way, cost much more than the P6 Pro - always keep that in mind when comparing; 13 Max starts at 1249 €, S21 Ultra at 1200 € - that's compared to 899 € 28 % & 25 % price difference! - and that gap increases once we raise storage, Apple for example wants more than 100 € for 128 GB more storage) and expect this phone to do a 180° and do everything better, in a magnificient way. Not sure if their sense of reality is the problem, or Googles marketing is just beyond good and evil.

    Either way, just don't.
    6
    a) it feels like there is a bubble/hole underneath the middle of the screen, when you tap there, the sound is different than when you tap at the edges
    That's well known and discussed, it's a "design choice" of every phone that has it's display attached to the edge of the chassie, you will find that (for example) in every other IPhone 13 aswell.
    b) fingerprint is not so fast, sometimes misses ... although I have same finger registered 3 times ...
    Did you re-do the fingerprints after the most recent update? (.036). The setup changed quite a bit and it's more reliable now (most phones were shipped out with pre-release versions, most differing from .015 to .019).
    d) power button on right side ... a change for me ... will get used to it ... I reckon it does make sense though, I use a flip-case ... then the power button is on the opening side of the flip case ...
    There's actually a wonderful way to shoot photos. You double-press the power button with one hand (that automatically opens the camera) and then switch a couple centimeters and shot a photo with a press on the volume rocker. It's the way I've been shooting photos ever since owning the Pixel 2 XL and I definitely do not want Google to change that location. It enables me to shoot a photo after getting my phone out of my pocket in less than three seconds.
    e) what is most annoying with my current setup is that the swipe gestures (home, back) somehow interfere with the gestures from Nova Launcher ... I haven't figured it out yet precisely ... the standard gestures are clearly handled by the Google launcher (for fact because when I freeze the Google launcher the gestures no longer work)
    Jea, that's also well known. Google doesn't give a flying fu*k about custom launchers.
    f) material you is a f***ing gimmick, well done Google for fantastic marketing hype ... some of it is also handled by the Google launcher (I would have thought the OS) ... a mixture of material you icons for Google apps and other (standard) icons for non-Google apps is just *UGLY* ... what I don't understand is this: this phone can do fantastic AI things ... then why the hell could it not do a (simple) task (with some AI support) to turn ALL icons into the same style ... come on ... that can't be too difficult ... even when using these wallpaper matched icons then the icons in the drawer are old style ... I really dislike these UI inconsistencies ... so I ended up using Nova with all custom icons (at least they now all share the same "design")
    Totally agree here. Android 12 is terrible. An oversized, uni-color, inconsistent mess. Should never have been released in the first place.
    g) so slippery that I barely dared to take it in my hand ;-) ... lot of people have complained ... again, what I don't understand is that these Google engineers/designers do not feel this (apparently) when they make prototypes ... it's so obvious ... or maybe Google just wants to financially support phone case manufacturers
    Well to be fair, many customers these days expect shiny backsides, aka glass. And glass gets slippery. That's no excuse though for Google using a NOT matt finish, this glossy version is just slippery as heck - agree here.
    h) VoLTE does not work on my carrier (it worked out of the box on the OnePlus 8 Pro), I guess it is missing some config? not clear to me if this is "fixable" ... it's not a very big deal ... but still
    Best just contact your carrier. Or reset your phone and start it without a simcard (so the carrier stuff doesn't get downloaded automatically at setup). I never had such an issue, but considering that many here talk about it...
    So ... after 2 days ... Google's first "flagship"? Hmm ... the camera is very good (I'm not an expert to judge foto details) ... and the AI (speech recognition, live translation) is state-of-the-art for this type of device ... but ... all of that is not differentiating enough (for me) to really make the phone "stand out" and give it a big leap ahead of the competition ...
    Well to be fair, noone with the right mind expected Google to create a phone that stands out and gives it a big leap ahead of the competition. First and foremost, the competition is more expensive. Secondly, this phone is build on the same processor nodes, battery technology and similar Kernel/ROM like any other. It's not about re-inventing the wheel (if Google tricked you here with their marketing, I feel sorry for you), it's just about giving the best possible Pixel experience, compared to previous generations. Google never really cared about other manufacturers - they try to go the Apple way: I do it this way, and that's fine, because only I set my goals (in my opinion that's stupid and has hindered the Pixel franchise for years, but I'm not the Google manager making the big decisions).

    Google Pixels have always just been some clean Software experience phones, and the Pixel 6 just added decent hardware on top of it - it's not the best hardware out there, just a decent one for a Flagship.

    As far as I know, no reviewer with the right mind claimed otherwise.
    So when the Google guy announced it as "our first flagship" he probably meant: finally, our engineers are up to par with the Apples/Samsungs/OnePlus of this world ...
    No, he literally meant "our first flagship". The Pixel 1-5 were higher midtear phones with good software, no flagship there. They had always cut alot of corners.
    Anyway, it's only the second day ... need to learn to loive it a little bit ...
    I'm pretty sure that you will come around. Usually Pixel phones just work beautifully. It's just a shame that the current release of Android 12 is a buggy mess, it takes a lot of joy away from the beautiful Pixel experience.

    Shame on Google for that one...
    5
    Well ... it's only my second day with the P6P ... I always held off buying Pixels because they officially were not availaible in my country and because the reviews always came up with some things that I thought I would not like.

    After several OnePlus generations the hype around P6P made me turn round and order one (coming from a OnePlus 8 Pro - fantastic phone by the way, easily customizable with root).

    My "after-2-days" complaints (of course comparing a lof with the OnePlus 8 Pro).

    a) it feels like there is a bubble/hole underneath the middle of the screen, when you tap there, the sound is different than when you tap at the edges

    b) fingerprint is not so fast, sometimes misses ... although I have same finger registered 3 times ...

    c) I really hate the little white navbar line at the bottom (even when using Nova Launcher) and the fact that there is no option to hide this

    d) power button on right side ... a change for me ... will get used to it ... I reckon it does make sense though, I use a flip-case ... then the power button is on the opening side of the flip case ...

    e) what is most annoying with my current setup is that the swipe gestures (home, back) somehow interfere with the gestures from Nova Launcher ... I haven't figured it out yet precisely ... the standard gestures are clearly handled by the Google launcher (for fact because when I freeze the Google launcher the gestures no longer work) ...

    f) material you is a f***ing gimmick, well done Google for fantastic marketing hype ... some of it is also handled by the Google launcher (I would have thought the OS) ... a mixture of material you icons for Google apps and other (standard) icons for non-Google apps is just *UGLY* ... what I don't understand is this: this phone can do fantastic AI things ... then why the hell could it not do a (simple) task (with some AI support) to turn ALL icons into the same style ... come on ... that can't be too difficult ... even when using these wallpaper matched icons then the icons in the drawer are old style ... I really dislike these UI inconsistencies ... so I ended up using Nova with all custom icons (at least they now all share the same "design")

    g) so slippery that I barely dared to take it in my hand ;-) ... lot of people have complained ... again, what I don't understand is that these Google engineers/designers do not feel this (apparently) when they make prototypes ... it's so obvious ... or maybe Google just wants to financially support phone case manufacturers

    h) VoLTE does not work on my carrier (it worked out of the box on the OnePlus 8 Pro), I guess it is missing some config? not clear to me if this is "fixable" ... it's not a very big deal ... but still

    I did not root (yet) ... I've rooted all my phones so far ... wanted to give it a try without root first for a couple of days/weeks. I guess it's partially a "mental" thing ;-)

    I disabled (freeze) 73 APKs ... yes you can freeze without root using "App Freezer" (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wakasoftware.appfreezer). Normally I would use root for that. XML file exported from App Freezer attached (for those wanting to have a look).

    Adblocking ... normally also via root but AdBlock can work in VPN mode ... it sorta works ... not always 100% reliable (VPN drops).

    I found a way to make other apps dark which are normally white: just do
    Code:
    adb shell setprop debug.hwui.force_dark true
    but this does NOT persist after a reboot. You can as well go into developer settings and there is an option there (just search for "dark" in the settings), this changes the same property. Again, via root yould easily make this "stick" across reboots.

    What I "miss" most (compared to my OnePlus 8 Pro): BLACK mode ... which I did using (rooted) Substratum and the SwiftBlack theme. Now I managed to make everything "darkish" with the dark theme and the option above. Sorta OK and more or less "consistent" across the board ... have to get used to that ... or later change to BLACK with root. Never understood why that is not an "option" (to set dark to BLACK).

    So ... after 2 days ... Google's first "flagship"? Hmm ... the camera is very good (I'm not an expert to judge foto details) ... and the AI (speech recognition, live translation) is state-of-the-art for this type of device ... but ... all of that is not differentiating enough (for me) to really make the phone "stand out" and give it a big leap ahead of the competition ...

    So when the Google guy announced it as "our first flagship" he probably meant: finally, our engineers are up to par with the Apples/Samsungs/OnePlus of this world ...

    You will maybe say/think: just stick with OnePlus if you like it so much ... well ... I promised that phone to my wife so no return back ;-)

    Anyway, it's only the second day ... need to learn to love it a little bit ...
    4
    This pixel has two things I hate on phones, curved displays and an in-display fingerprint scanner.

    However this is still much better than Samsung's bloated software, it's full of bloat and you feel it slow down and it's only fast and smooth for 1 year, then after that it starts lagging and act slower and slower eventually it will become unusable, Samsung does have some nice features but, I enjoy being able to root my phone especially for adblock on a system wide level where you don't have to turn on a VPN specifically for adblock. also root for special theming and tweaking. Also the pixel has much better spam protection than Samsung in my opinion and also enjoy the phone telling me what songs are playing nearby is something I find really useful (lately though haven't really had to root for as much since most features I've wanted to root for are either implemented already or not as important to me now)
    3
    • No way to close all recent apps?
    If you scroll to the very left in the "Task manager" (where you can switch thru all recently opened apps), you should see a "Close all apps" (or similar)...
    Having to scroll all the way to the left is pretty annoying when closing all recents apps. Wish they'd just put a button in the recents window.
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    So 2 days in, some real life testing and me not liking. Here's why:
    1. Firstly, I noticed that the screen is yellowy, it's not pure white like you'd find from the S21 phones for example. It's minor but it bothers - like a niggling suspicious this phone can't manage the basics. White isn't white. Reality is overrated.
    2. Secondly, taking photos of white surfaces in darker rooms and white turns blue. I don't mean, faintly tinged, I mean blue!
    3. The phone is well balanced in the hand (unlike the S21U), however it feels very plasticy and cheaply built. Something about putting the power button above the volume rocker is not nice after 3 years with Samsung phones which are the other way around.
    4. So, the camera AI is good, photo's look on the surface to generally be good quality. Noise is well handled by the AI but zoom in and you seen there's a lots of smoothing on a minute level. This is the sole Pixel win over the S21U in my opinion.
    5. The 5G modem, ow god, this is awful. I know, because I have a Samsung with the same modem and good look having working connectivity where the 5G signal is sub par - the phone should drop 5G and revert to more reliable 4G but it doesn't. You just end up with a dead connection. Walk around and experience disconnection from your digital world.
    6. Why the feck can I not turn off 5G, I mean the preference option just isn't there. In no way. If your carriers 5G or 4G network flakes out, you are screwed. How dare you think of manually swapping to another technology to stay connected. Silly, stupid, user. Google (and your carrier) knows best... ergh
    7. VoLTE/4G calling seems flaky on some networks - EE UK - well, you can't. They blame Google, Google blame EE. Good luck with that.
    8. Make sure to cover your eyes when using the finger print reader in the dark too - it's optical/super cheap so it is the brightest light you'll ever see. I have notice one of my blood vessel is bit blocked. Great medical device. A++

    I really wanted to love the Pixel 6 Pro. I have lived with a sub par S21U for 9 months. I thought it was lots of marketting spin and less substance. I was wrong. I'm a Samsung fanboi forever now. They can throw me their *(£" and I'll happily lap it up after this massive disappointment.

    It'll improve with software updates. Just hold on. These are just the typical usual new problems.... yeah, after 5 years of hearing the same old crappy excuses by manufacturers, I think I'll go with my gut this time.

    Hey, Google, where's my refund?!
    I got my P6 Pro today and would like to add something to a few of your points

    1. My screen white is white, maybe your panel sucks?
    2. Jea, the blue tint is well known in low light shots. Also visible in several reviews. Many phones go yellowish, googles algorithms goes blueish.
    3. I actually prefer the power button above the volume rocker, so that's personal taste.
    4. The smoothing comes from the Super Rez Zoom algorithm
    5+6: Not sure if it's your provider, but I can set my preferred network, I can tell the phone to prefer either 5G, 4G, 3G or 2G.
    16
    my screen was yellow until i changed wallpaper settings to basic colour options and it became white.
    10
    Funny how people can view the same thing so differently but some of these are simply not true.

    You can change network type away from 5G, first thing I did.

    Samsung panels are absolutely not colour accurate to compare against.

    Some of the other things are subjective. Build quality I think is great, my unit is as well built as any Samsung, iphone or One Plus I have owned.
    9
    First impressions of this post - not great.
    The Samsung lover is strong in this one.
    9
    Lol that post about not turning off 5g! Seriously...look at what you can actually do before mentioning something so basic.
    Secondly power button location different to Samsung is not a fault it's a design choice and your preference. All my OnePlus phones had power above volume also.