For those who are having signal issues, Samsung is deliberately crippling the devices

[scottusa2008]

I think everything you say falls flat when other devices perform better right next to a Samsung device with all those scenarios and parameters involved.

what falls flat is the classic "Brand X vs Brand Y" arguments. I have had Samsung phones that out perform an iPhone, LG phones that out perform Motorola, and a Nokia that could survive being left outside all winter and still work just fine.

Heaven forbid that in some situations and circumstances a device will perform better then another.. but that is nothing new and has far more to do with what one is expecting to see, what reality presents and what really is going on (usage, cell coverage and environmental factors).

No matter what scenario you throw at it, another device in the same position doesn't have the problem Samsungs do. I have many phones and tablets on the same networks that perform where Samsung lags and hangs.

I know a few Chevy owners who say the same thing about Ford automobiles.

Unfortunately when you get past the personal bias, personal opinions and personal disappointment the story always ends up being:

"It just didn't work right for me"

Which is ok and perfectly normal. I totally accept and understand that not every car (or in this case mobile device) will work for every person in every situation.

Some will just be defective (and a replacement will work), some have design issues (antenna gate as an example), some will have a bad part that needs replacing, some will not do what we expect it to do, and some will not do what we want it to do.


But just like cars this is not limited to just Samsung devices and encompasses all devices.

That's the point, not that there's rules and regulations that EVERYONE follows, it's that Samsung chooses to not optimize as well as other manufacturers, which to be honest has been the same story since their Android adoption.

Actually ya it is on this thread. The OP is talking about samsung crippling radios.

Your taking about something all together different

We just all forgot because the hardware almost overcomes the software limitations to be barely good enough.

Without the software to tell the hardware what to do, the hardware is just chips, boards, wires and circuits and nothing more.

So if software is written poorly or contains errors no matter how good the hardware a device will not function properly (or at all).

And software is a general term to cover all software. Things like drivers, config files, operating systems, 3rd party apps, oem apps, carrier apps, sim configuration, firmware on a chip, etc.

Also all hardware is basically the same now, just rearranged differently inside phones but to the same manufacturer specs and connections or else the built in fail-safes won't let them work, so then what does that leave as the real issue?

Some people had some bad experiences with Samsung phones with the misconception that experience = Samsung phones are bad phones.

 

[coilbio]

what falls flat is the classic "Brand X vs Brand Y" arguments. I have had Samsung phones that out perform an iPhone, LG phones that out perform Motorola, and a Nokia that could survive being left outside all winter and still work just fine.

Heaven forbid that in some situations and circumstances a device will perform better then another.. but that is nothing new and has far more to do with what one is expecting to see, what reality presents and what really is going on.



I know quote a few Chevy owners who say the same thing about Ford automobiles.

Unfortunately when you get past the personal bias, personal opinions and personal disappointment the story always ends up being:

"It just didn't work right for me"

Which is ok and perfectly normal. I totally accept and understand that not every device will work for every person in every situation.

Some will just be defective (and a replacement will work), some have design issues (antenna gate as an example) and some will not do what we expect it to do.

But this is not limited to just Samsung devices and encompasses all devices.




Actually ya it is on this thread. The OP is talking about samsung crippling radios.

Your taking about something all together different




Without the software to tell the hardware what to do, the hardware is just chips, boards, wires and circuits and nothing more.

So if software is written poorly or contains errors no matter how good the hardware a device will not function properly (or at all).







Some people had some bad experiences with Samsung phones with the misconception that experience = Samsung phones are bad phones.

And some people will defend that brand and try to speak louder than the ones with issues.

OP made many more references than just the radios, which look at the Samsung threads about people trying to flash CSC to try and get better signal and radio integration..
The writing is all over the walls. I probably have more Samsung phones and tablets than most people will have in their lifetime, just not stock.

 

[scottusa2008]

And some people will defend that brand and try to speak louder than the ones with issues.

OP made many more references than just the radios, which look at the Samsung threads about people trying to flash CSC to try and get better signal and radio integration..
The writing is all over the walls. I probably have more Samsung phones and tablets than most people will have in their lifetime, just not stock.

Take your blinders off for a few and see what is going on... I am not addressing your personal grievances from past experiences with Samsung devices.


No one defending Samsung here in this thread.. People trying to explain to someone how the understanding they derived is problematic (and why) does not mean defense of Samsung. The only one who is talking loudly is you and it is clear you have some personal issues with Samsung.

What I am doing is trying to get into a discussion with someone over a claim they made on signal crippling. The post made pertains to signal crippling, audio crippling via the EQ (i.e. OP stating that changing the setting by one notch up audio get cuts in half), and WiFi issues.

If I found it then that means someone else can just as easily spot it... After all if someone is going to make a bold claim of intentional sabotage by (and even suggest a class action lawsuit against) a manufacturer then it is better to get it right the first time... Do you not agree?


Also the different threads over CSC's... I see a lot of threads where people are trying to use phones from one carrier onto another, people trying to use phones from the USA overseas, some people who use overseas phones within the USA, some who want to flash U1 firmware onto a U model, some who are using Exynos models outside of the region they are in, some who want to get certain features working outside of a region... And yes some signal issues with a few different reasons (using a phone outside of a certain region, etc).

But what does that have to do with anything related to signal crippling by Samsung... More importantly do even know what the CSC file is or does?

In case you don't (or in case someone else doesn't) the CSC is a “Consumer Software Customization” or “Country Specific Code“. It is a binary file that contains "customized settings, system configurations, localizations and geo-specific things such as the system language, APN settings, and carrier-branding."

If a certain CSC works better then another (or allows certain features that were not allowed previously) then it means the specifications required by the region and/or carrier(s) in question is at fault.

Now don't get me wrong, if Samsung is at fault it would be regardless of what CSC is flashed because it wouldn't work period. But before you could even pin the blame on Samsung you would have to rule out carrier limitations in service/coverage, signal interference whether natural or human-made and it would require that multiple phones of the same model and CSC that have similar or identical issues within that location (and others using the same criteria previously mentioned. It would then rule out bad batch of phones sold, issues isolated to one region, etc).

This would provide more concrete proof of a problem existing but only in the aspect of signal related issues that could be caused by Samsung. This does not include any other matter caused by 3rd party apps, customer expectations, customer wants, sales person misinformation to the customer, word of mouth influences, etc.

 

[coilbio]

Take your blinders off for a few and see what is going on... I am not addressing your personal grievances from past experiences with Samsung devices.


No one defending Samsung here.. Trying to explain to someone how the understanding they derived is problematic does not mean defense of Samsung. The only one who is talking loudly is you and it is clear you have some personal issues with Samsung.

What I am doing is trying to get into a discussion with someone over a claim they made. Yes I have some problems with the logic used and the reasoning behind the logic. If I found it then that means someone else can just as easily spot it... After all if someone is going to make a bold claim of intentional sabotage by (and even suggest a class action lawsuit against) a manufacturer then it is better to get it right the first time... Do you not agree?


Also the different threads over CSC's... I see a lot of threads where people are trying to use phones from one carrier onto another, people trying to use phones from the USA overseas, some people who use overseas phones within the USA, some who want to flash U1 firmware onto a U model, some who are using Exynos models outside of the region they are in, some who want to get certain features working outside of a region... And yes some signal issues with a few different reasons (using a phone outside of a certain region, etc).

But what does that have to do with anything related to signal crippling by Samsung... More importantly do even know what the CSC file is or does?

In case you don't (or in case someone else doesn't) the CSC is a “Consumer Software Customization” or “Country Specific Code“. It is a binary file that contains "customized settings, system configurations, localizations and geo-specific things such as the system language, APN settings, and carrier-branding."

If a certain CSC works better then another (or allows certain features that were not allowed previously) then it means the specifications required by the region and/or carrier(s) in question is at fault.

Now don't get me wrong, if Samsung is at fault it would be regardless of what CSC is flashed because it wouldn't work period. But before you could even pin the blame on Samsung you would have to rule out carrier limitations in service/coverage, signal interference whether natural or human-made and it would require that multiple phones of the same model and CSC that have similar or identical issues within that location (and others).

This would provide more concrete proof of a problem existing but only in the aspect of signal related issues that could be caused by Samsung. This does not include any other matter caused by 3rd party apps, customer expectations, customer wants, sales person misinformation to the customer, word of mouth influences, etc.

Yup, completely agree.
Now, why do other phones, not just by my experience, but others as well have better signal, louder and better sound, etc being right next to a Samsung?

I think you get it, the thing I don't understand is why it's ok for Samsung to protect themselves against class action lawsuits by limiting these things and we accept it as them protecting themselves instead of hampering their products?
That's what's really going on here.

And you say I have personal issues with Samsung, a company Ive probably spent more money supporting than you. Don't speak on me, find out why this is bugging you. Im not the one trying to defend a huge company that doesn't need partiality.

 

[scottusa2008]

Yup, completely agree.
Now, why do other phones, not just by my experience, but others as well have better signal, louder and better sound, etc being right next to a Samsung?

I think you get it, the thing I don't understand is why it's ok for Samsung to protect themselves against class action lawsuits by limiting these things and we accept it as them protecting themselves instead of hampering their products?
That's what's really going on here.

And you say I have personal issues with Samsung, a company Ive probably spent more money supporting than you. Don't speak on me, find out why this is bugging you. Im not the one trying to defend a huge company that doesn't need partiality.

It's almost like your obsessing over this "Samsung Defense" thing way to much.. Yes you have a personal issue and that is very very obvious.. We all have (or probably have) issues of some kind with the phone and nothing wrong with that.

But look if you want the answers your questions or go on more about your personal grievances then you need to Samsung directly. They have teams of people who I am sure can provide you with exact answers and more to your grievances and problems. No need to keep the conspiracy theory going any longer then it has already, so lets get back on topic k?.

 

[coilbio]

It's almost like your obsessing over this "Samsung Defense" thing way to much.. Yes you have a personal issue and that is very very obvious.. We all have (or probably have) issues of some kind with the phone and nothing wrong with that.

But look if you want the answers your questions or go on more about your personal grievances then you need to Samsung directly. They have teams of people who I am sure can provide you with exact answers and more to your grievances and problems. No need to keep the conspiracy theory going any longer then it has already, so lets get back on topic k?.

If you want to get back on topic I suggest you leave this thread because you've contributed nothing but personal grievances about other's "personal grievances" about issues of some kind with the phone, which we all have had according to you...

Looks like I've become your personal issue.
Never once referenced your character until you personally did to me.
Look at where you started and ended up, talking about me, you dont care about this threads topic, you're trolling, so please move on.

 

[aj_vogtman]

To the OP let me guess, you have a case with metal sides?
To be clear on Cricket using Pandora highest settings, NEVER stutters . That is hour long interstate drives in the middle of nowhere. Note 10+. Same was true for my Note 8.

 

[scottusa2008]

OP - Does this look like the equalizer settings you have?

If I try to adjust them one direction or the other I do not get an audio cut like what you describe. I do get some audio changes, most notably with the 250 slider and a couple others if I move them higher then the others. Adjusting the neighboring sliders caused the sound to level out.

 

[coilbio]

Samsung has a clipping limiter in their dsp code.

Messing with any band frequency will be met with compensation decreasing the loudness by that same amount applied.
So moving up by any decible will clip the volume by that decible amount. So no real frequency boosting.

If you have root, get viper4android or use this mod to increase the limiter clipping itself but will cause distortion eventually beause of their dsp coding is the issue.

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/themes/tweak-loudness-tweak-xml-t4055631

 

[-BoneZ-]

The original intention of OP was to say that samsung devices are deliberately capped down, which honestly, is absurd, differences between different devices are obviously to be expected

Not if those "different" devices are using the same exact hardware. The Snapdragon 855 has the radios on the chip. That means every single device that has the 855 should have the same reception. But this is not true because the power output of the chip can be turned up or down via firmware. And the type of antenna used also matters.

My OnePlus 7 Pro has the same 855 chip and radios as the Note 10+, and they have significantly different radio receptions, the Note 10+ being super poor. So let's not get too caught up on "different devices, there will be differences". Not if all of those different devices use the same chip and radios.

 

[winol]

Again, you are talking about two different devices, that may, or may not use the exact same bands at the same time, devices that are built differently, materials, antennas, component disposition, chassis, back cover, etc, in short, people claiming deliberate signal capping by samsung is utterly wrong, besides, signal reception is more carrier dependant, why would samsung restrict the ammount of signal the phone receives? Because that is what you see in the indicators and apps that mesure these things, the strenght of the signal RECEIVED! not the emitted one, which is the one regulated by law, use some logic thinking, or at least, try to

 

[alleshi]

just buy Huawei phone and you get full cell wherever you go

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also if you use snapdragon chip youll get better mobile reception then using exynos shi** chip

 

[winol]

just buy Huawei phone and you get full cell wherever you go

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also if you use snapdragon chip youll get better mobile reception then using exynos shi** chip

You most definitely can not ensure that what you are saying is absolutely true, signal quality is different based on carrier, geography, antenna locations, number of users, carrier agregation, and of course device performance, among some other factors, you may talk about YOUR own and sole experience , I have an exynos 975F, and travel a lot by road, there I have been able to see how signal reception behaves, and it is good, very good in general, In trips of about 1000 to 1400 km there are ocassional signal drops (3,4 times and just for 2,4 minutes) , but due to lack of cell towers, that is, in sparsely or non populated mountaineous places, in cities, I have never experienced signal drops, ciities ranging from 1000 to the capital with 10,000,000 people , I have visited more than 30 cities and countless towns and traveled thousands of km of road, so, I think I have a clear picture in my coutry, that is, in which signal is not a problem whatsoever

 

[TheInfiniteAndroid]

TLDR:
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.

I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.

Does there happen to be a fix or anything we can do, without having to get a new device?

 

[Iesous023]

just buy Huawei phone and you get full cell wherever you go

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also if you use snapdragon chip youll get better mobile reception then using exynos shi** chip

the p40 pro i had briefly had consistently worse signal than my note 10+

can i go around claiming huawei are crippling their phones now because it performed differently to a completely different phone?

 

[winol]

the p40 pro i had briefly had consistently worse signal than my note 10+

can i go around claiming huawei are crippling their phones now because it performed differently to a completely different phone?

Exactly! All those ranting about "my fing chang fung device" has better signal are really lost! or, they are just trolling

 

[romaha]

just buy Huawei phone and you get full cell wherever you go

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also if you use snapdragon chip youll get better mobile reception then using exynos shi** chip

Before drawing conclusions, show the results of objective testing. Otherwise it's nothing more than trolling.

P.S. And by the way, my Nokia 8850 still works and catches the network even where the note 10+ does not see anything. I can sell it for $100500 :laugh:

 

[winol]

ROMAHA: " My Nokia 8850 still works and catches the network even where the note 10+ does not see anything. I can sell it for $100500 "

L0l, good that one!

 

[CarolinaGirl81]

I have a question that may have been answered. Would rooting and installing a custom rom help with the signals on note 10 plus? I have a note 10 plus and notice these same issues. My old iPhone 6s gets better wifi and cell signal on the same network as my note 10 plus. Is there a way to bypass their restrictions with a rom? Sorry if this has been answered before.

 

[winol]

No, it will not, for all people having this "issue", if it really poses a big problem, using other device should be a better solution